RomanClaret's Dispute

[diskdocx 1,219]

11 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

You have any other information rather than your thoughts of disbelief? I gave plenty of proofs and yeah, all this years this trophy was completely ignored by everyone (I don't know why), and now there are ~1k cheaters out of 146k game owners (which makes less than 1%). I think it is not "most hacked game ever", not even close.

Imagine noone banned EndWar cheaters or FUEL etc. and then they suddenly began to do it. That'd make even more than 1k and much more that 1% in total. I think I just found Klondike of easy flag reports and that's it 

 

P.S. Give me one proof of legal Real world winner trophy (earned in 2010), just one, a video or whatever, not asking for much.

 

I think the 'proof' is your web archive image. There are regular, daily earners through Feb 8, 2011. After that, only scattered earners pop up. Certainly I would support that the 3 people who earned it simultaneously at exactly 3:49:24 AM on May 8, 2012 likely hacked it. Ditto for the 2 on Dec 1 2012 at 11:41:40.

But before that there were multiple earners DAILY through Feb 8 2011. Then it falls off a cliff.

 

Can you explain what happened Feb 8? The downloadable save (which is what I assume you are suggesting everyone used) no longer worked? No longer available? What?

 

I'm not arguing that no one cheats, but multiple people every day were downloading a save to cheat, then they all stopped.

 

 

1 minute ago, ScooloV said:

He hid it = he agreed that it was hacked. End of story.

 

Sometimes it isn't worth standing up to the bully. If you only have one hack, its not worth fighting maybe.

 

Since this is your personal agenda to get all these people removed, are you absolutely 100% certain you are correct?

[Stevieboy 4,378]

12 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

He hid it = he agreed that it was hacked. End of story.

 

This is an incorrect statement that has no substance to it whatsoever. It comes from the same thinking that people who hide trophies must hack games. I would appreciate it if it is kept out of these disputes please.

[ScooloV 90]

32 minutes ago, diskdocx said:

are you absolutely 100% certain you are correct?

Like 146% sure 🙃

 

Let me do some job for you, first topic in http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/ - http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/87099-how-many-people-still-trying-get-platinum-before-8th-feb.html - the second post "FIFA 09 has had an unachievable platinum trophy for over a year now. "Real World Winner" was taken away when FIFA 10 came out."

 

27 minutes ago, Stevieboy said:

kept out of these disputes please

I think I overreacted, it won't happen again. Just because I need to repeat this in almost every dispute makes me a bit nervous.

 

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/77208-just-quick-question.html - last post offers a save file for interactive league, which is cheating. All 2010 were done with this...

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/1040665-post5247.html - another one

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/1420684-post6120.html - they are mentioning save every 5-10 pages, cause that was the only way

 

P.S. Some proof from previous topics, that this trophy can't "glitch"

https://www.trueachievements.com/viewcomment.aspx?commentid=27902#vch

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/366383-post16.html - they made a petition (why would they, if it can "glitch")

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/18812-interactive-leagues-will-reopen-official-response-ea.html - here it's said that it was never reopened

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/14270-no-more-interactive-league-matches.html

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/940132-post8.html

 

Some local guys telling the same

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47122-pmoneydamans-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1284438

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47211-crashratchets-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1285664

 

Edited April 9, 2017 by ScooloV

[Pricey403 15]

2 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

Like 146% sure 

 

Let me do some job for you, first topic in http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/ - http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/87099-how-many-people-still-trying-get-platinum-before-8th-feb.html - the second post "FIFA 09 has had an unachievable platinum trophy for over a year now. "Real World Winner" was taken away when FIFA 10 came out."

 

I think I overreacted, it won't happen again. Just because I need to repeat this in almost every dispute makes me a bit nervous.

So we're taking what 1 guy on the internet said as the one and only truth now, and that there's no other way of the server bugging and giving it to you?

[diskdocx 1,219]

1 minute ago, ScooloV said:

Like 146% sure 🙃

 

Let me do some job for you, first topic in http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/ - http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/87099-how-many-people-still-trying-get-platinum-before-8th-feb.html - the second post "FIFA 09 has had an unachievable platinum trophy for over a year now. "Real World Winner" was taken away when FIFA 10 came out."

 

I think I overreacted, it won't happen again. Just because I need to repeat this in almost every dispute makes me a bit nervous.

Right, so the servers went down on Feb 8, 2011 - coincidentally, right around the time that the last people earned Real World.

 

But everyone who got it after 2009 hacked it. Daily, it would seem. But they all stopped hacking it once the servers went offline.

 

What if you earned it, but it didn't pop cause the servers weren't tracking it properly, but when you logged in at a later date, it popped? As long as the servers were live, that could happen, right?

 

Would seem to explain why people were earning it regularly until the servers went offline

[turpinator1986 243]

7 minutes ago, diskdocx said:

Right, so the servers went down on Feb 8, 2011 - coincidentally, right around the time that the last people earned Real World.

 

But everyone who got it after 2009 hacked it. Daily, it would seem. But they all stopped hacking it once the servers went offline.

 

What if you earned it, but it didn't pop cause the servers weren't tracking it properly, but when you logged in at a later date, it popped? As long as the servers were live, that could happen, right?

 

Would seem to explain why people were earning it regularly until the servers went offline

 

 

I agree with this. As long as the servers were online I think it's entirely possible the trophy could have glitched and popped much later than it should have. Agreed everyone who earned it after the servers closed definitely hacked it. But before the servers closed? Think it's not as simple as that. 

[MMDE 6,469]

I think if there's no clear case they cheated, they should be unflagged. Rather not see anyone innocent get flagged than seeing someone get away with it.

 

If you can find a clear link between the people who you think cheated also cheated in other games, you're onto something. Maybe you can use it to find people who has cheated in other games.

 

If I falsely flag someone, I want them unflagged instantly. I want to say sorry and think more about it. I know I've done one bad flagging before, but once I found out they had already left and I even tried to PM them on PSN and stuff, but it seems they've blocked it or something.  This person had cheated in another game though...

Edited April 9, 2017 by MMDE

[crashratchet 46]

40 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

Like 146% sure 

 

Let me do some job for you, first topic in http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/ - http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/87099-how-many-people-still-trying-get-platinum-before-8th-feb.html - the second post "FIFA 09 has had an unachievable platinum trophy for over a year now. "Real World Winner" was taken away when FIFA 10 came out."

 

I think I overreacted, it won't happen again. Just because I need to repeat this in almost every dispute makes me a bit nervous.

 

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/77208-just-quick-question.html - last post offers a save file for interactive league, which is cheating. All 2010 were done with this...

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/1040665-post5247.html - another one

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/1420684-post6120.html - they are mentioning save every 5-10 pages, cause that was the only way

 

P.S. Some proof from previous topics, that this trophy can't "glitch"

https://www.trueachievements.com/viewcomment.aspx?commentid=27902#vch

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/366383-post16.html - they made a petition (why would they, if it can "glitch")

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/18812-interactive-leagues-will-reopen-official-response-ea.html - here it's said that it was never reopened

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/14270-no-more-interactive-league-matches.html

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/940132-post8.html

 

Some local guys telling the same

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47122-pmoneydamans-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1284438

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47211-crashratchets-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1285664

 

I suggest you read my claim again. I'm not saying it glitched, again, I earned that trophy on another system before it was subject to a ylod. Then the first time I booted the game again I got that and some other trophies unlocked afterwards. This has something to do with data that is (EDIT: was, since servers are no more) stored in their server. Or at least that's my guess, I'm no computer science guy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Other than that, yes, reporting out of words said by someone which is not the game developer, but rather a random dude on the internet doesn't sound like a logical reason to go on a report chain "just because they said so". Machines are not perfect, bugs and glitches can happen and will happen, and no one can do anything about it. So I don't see how dozens of people could have hacked said trophy. Only a restrict amount of people knows about "hacking trophies" and how to do it. It's not something everyone can do, I suppose, according to my limited knowledge of it.

 

Just expressing my opinion.

Edited April 9, 2017 by crashratchet

[ScooloV 90]

Your situation is much simpler, you have earned it and save file just retroactivated once more. The same method is used by everyone else (but it's not their save file, just from internet). So it is not possible to define the origins of your save file, like MW2 and others it's flagged here.

[crashratchet 46]

1 minute ago, ScooloV said:

Your situation is much simpler, you have earned it and save file just retroactivated once more. The same method is used by everyone else (but it's not their save file, just from internet). So it is not possible to define the origins of your save file, like MW2 and others it's flagged here.

Yes, it is correct, that's why I didn't complain much about it. I just accepted that I had to remove the game from my profile and moved on. That dispute thread of mine was just to explain what happened, not to remove the flag because, of course, rules are rules, and even if broken involuntairly they'll still be applied. This thread here may or may not give a second chance to people affected by such a problem like me, I don't know. I'm not the one making decisions here.

[ScooloV 90]

Neither do I 😇

So I'm just keep waiting, because I have much more evidence and proof of impossibility of this "server glitch".

[MMDE 6,469]

Apparently, after the service stopped and until a certain save was made available, only like 1 person had the trophy pop and they had cheated for sure just judging by other trophies. Then after the save was made available a ton of people all of a sudden got it. People have also admitted to using one of these saves. Why would this be common for a game like this? Remember, it's a long time ago, trophies were new. Fewer people were probably thinking about being careful when unlocking it as much, they just saw a chance to unlock it. Many probably felt they were screwed out of the plat and deserved it, especially if it was glitchy.

 

Here's some more cents to put on the table, but take it with a grain of salt because I've never played the game. Are the trophies popping because of what is stored locally or because of what data it gets from the server? It seems the data is stored locally, but are people here saying it can get updated by what the servers say? Have people experienced stats change locally after they go online? Is the trophy really relying on info from the servers, so it could be popped later due to the servers all of a sudden "figuring out" you've done it? 

 

Having scanned through Demon's Souls, I could only detect like 300 people who had trophies out of order. That's 300 out of about 45 000 or so. Just to put this into perspective. And that's just the people who were dumb enough to do trophies out of order. That's 0.67%

Edited April 9, 2017 by MMDE

[Nitro 723]

7 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

Neither do I 😇

So I'm just keep waiting, because I have much more evidence and proof of impossibility of this "server glitch".

Thought I'd jump in on this.

 

If you have "much more evidence", why don't you enlighten us?

[diskdocx 1,219]

7 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

Neither do I 

So I'm just keep waiting, because I have much more evidence and proof of impossibility of this "server glitch".

 

So, I'm curious here, as I have reported people in the past, and just checked again now - it was my understanding that you need to flag 5 trophies to report a game/list.

 

In this case, I assume you are flagging Real World and the Fifa plat. What are the other 3 trophies? Are you just randomly selecting legit trophies so that you can file the report?

 

In other words, you are cheating the reporting system in order to get around the 5 trophy limit?

[ScooloV 90]

14 minutes ago, MMDE said:

Are the trophies popping because of what is stored locally or because of what data it gets from the server?

It is depended on save file (like all old games), and it can't be "glitched" because the required play mode didn't worke AT ALL (after 3rd June it was not possible to play Interactive League, cause there were no matches).

 

And yeah, I already spoke with some local FIFA players, they are telling the same.

Edited April 9, 2017 by ScooloV

[MMDE 6,469]

5 minutes ago, diskdocx said:

In other words, you are cheating the reporting system in order to get around the 5 trophy limit?

 

This is fine if you've got a good reason for it.

[ScooloV 90]

10 minutes ago, MMDE said:

That's 300 out of about 45 000 or so

Or ~1k out of ~150k - the same percentage

 

I think it's some sort of "trophydumb coefficient", ~0.5% - pretty interesting ratio.

Edited April 9, 2017 by ScooloV

[Vergil 1,706]

Roman from pst.?? hacking?? 

 

I quite doubt that!

[Nitro 723]

16 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

It is depended on save file (like all old games), and it can't be "glitched" because the required play mode didn't worke AT ALL (after 3rd June it was not possible to play Interactive League, cause there were no matches).

 

And yeah, I already spoke with some local FIFA players, they are telling the same.

So you are saying all those that got it in 2010 are hackers? 

If that is one thing, answer this: Why did it suddenly just drop off after 17th of October 2010?

[TheManUtdFan 23]

I'm a FIFA player too, and I don't think the trophy glitching like that is impossible- like I said earlier the whole trophy not popping right was a common thing in FIFA. The fact that a save can be used to pop an online trophy leads me to believe that the trophy can also glitch in the way Roman said too. The servers for FIFA were and are shit. Improbable maybe, impossible no, and given that Roman is one of the most honest people I know online, I'm leaning towards it just glitching.

[diskdocx 1,219]

7 minutes ago, Nitro said:

So you are saying all those that got it in 2010 are hackers? 

If that is one thing, answer this: Why did it suddenly just drop off after 17th of October 2010?

 

It didn't. It dropped off Feb 8, 2011, when the servers went offline. ScooloV is reporting everyone with the trophy after 2009, so he has already had all the people from Feb 8 2011 back to Oct 2010 removed.

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20130629131140/https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/72-FIFA-09/46-Real-world-winner

 

That link shows what the list used to look like.

[Pricey403 15]

27 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

It is depended on save file (like all old games), and it can't be "glitched" because the required play mode didn't worke AT ALL (after 3rd June it was not possible to play Interactive League, cause there were no matches).

 

And yeah, I already spoke with some local FIFA players, they are telling the same.

So if the hacked save file goes off of local data for unlocking the trophy, what's to stop Roman's save file from randomly being searched during an online game and the criteria being met? The exact same thing is how the hack works as you say yourself, and he played more than 5 matches legit. 

 

[ars 290]

31 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

Like 146% sure 

 

Let me do some job for you, first topic in http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/87099-how-many-people-still-trying-get-platinum-before-8th-feb.html - the second post "FIFA 09 has had an unachievable platinum trophy for over a year now. "Real World Winner" was taken away when FIFA 10 came out." (1)

 

I think I overreacted, it won't happen again. Just because I need to repeat this in almost every dispute makes me a bit nervous.

 

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/77208-just-quick-question.html - last post offers a save file for interactive league, which is cheating. All 2010 were done with this... (2)

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/1040665-post5247.html - another one (3)

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/1420684-post6120.html - they are mentioning save every 5-10 pages, cause that was the only way (4)

 

P.S. Some proof from previous topics, that this trophy can't "glitch"

https://www.trueachievements.com/viewcomment.aspx?commentid=27902#vch (5)

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/366383-post16.html - they made a petition (why would they, if it can "glitch") (6)

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/18812-interactive-leagues-will-reopen-official-response-ea.html - here it's said that it was never reopened (7)

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/fifa-09-a/14270-no-more-interactive-league-matches.html (8)

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/940132-post8.html (9)

 

Some local guys telling the same

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47122-pmoneydamans-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1284438 (10)

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47211-crashratchets-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1285664 (11)

 

 

I went through the trouble of reading your sources. It must be frustrating to "need to repeat this" in almost every dispute, but that is the part you chose for yourself. If you want to publicly accuse dozens of people, then be prepared to stand your case those dozens of times. Anyway, on with the links. For clarity I just numbered them.

 

(1) is just some random guy flaming another "because there was announcement". How this proves or disproves anything escapes me. It has no relation to this dispute.

 

(2) has a guy admitting he unlocked the trophy using a save file. That actually has some effect in that there is one for the game and there is a single person admitting to using it. Then again the OP is making a completely plausible claim towards something else completely. Having a save in existence doesn't disprove it.

 

(3) doesn't offer anything. It just says you can bypass an impossible trophy using a save file, and to go Google it. This one in turn is such a general remark you can just bypass it completely. It has no relation to this dispute.

 

(4) has the guy is talking about multiplayer connectivity and suggests a hacked save could impair it. No it couldn't but anyway. Once again this doesn't pertain to this discussion any, just some random guy suggesting there might exist a hacked save, and who doesn't say anything how it would pertain to trophies. It has no relation to this dispute.

 

(5) once again hearsay from someone who merely says the trophy has gone unachievable because online leagues shut down. We know it is. They are frequently announced in the trophy circles like this. It has no relation to this dispute.

 

(6) it's a petition to restore the service. It doesn't prove or disprove you cannot pop a trophy on delay having fulfilled the requirements. It has no relation to this dispute.

 

(7) it's customer response emails with false info. It has no... oh well. I completely fail to see the connection, apart from yet again a random message from yet again a random guy saying EA is wrong and it's shut down.

 

All right, I could go on but I think people get the gist of it. You say you have "proof" but what you have is hearsay from a bunch of people who claim there is no way you pop it because the servers shut down. Sure, that's what we expect. Generally that is the correct guess. But the OP is claiming otherwise, which will bring his whole trophy list under scrutiny. If he passes that, then your case is taking a bad turn. You should seriously review what "evidence" actually means, although I'm slightly interested to see how many similar links you can google up and spam here in a short span of time, since you have so much "evidence" in your pocket.

 

Mind you, I can appreciate you think you are on some sort of a crusade to set things right. But mass flagging people in order to hackershame them, I'm just telling you as a bystander that is not what the flag tool is supposed to be used for, and tells more about you than it does about your targets. That's why all of this "evidence", and the flag itself, must too come under scrutiny.

 

With an ICT background like mine I find it highly unlikely a specific game would suddenly have a spike of hackers who then disappear, because you need to do, uh, things to the save in order for it to work. It won't pop diddly just copying it to your console. At the same time unless you can prove there was a specific save which was suddenly taken down, then why did it suddenly stop popping in such numerous occasions? Google is your friend and you can try it out, it took me around five seconds to find a hacked 100% save for Fifa 09 PS3.

 

Instead, I find it plausible a game could pop an online trophy on delay, if the requirements were met and some flags were set within the software. The OP claims this has nothing to do whether the online matching functionality was still there or not. I concur, depending on the programming it could be perfectly irrelevant.

[ScooloV 90]

17 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Why did it suddenly just drop off after 17th of October 2010?

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47272-romanclarets-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1286766

 

15 minutes ago, FeXcEz-_-Sk1lLzz said:

Roman is one of the most honest people I know online

I also doubt that it was done by himself. I think this was done by his friend or whoever.

 

8 minutes ago, Pricey403 said:

from randomly being searched during an online game and the criteria being met

He got Interactive League trophy 1.5 years after he started to play. It took a really long time to "glitch".

 

6 minutes ago, ars said:

could pop an online trophy on delay

If there was such possibility you could find evidence in internet (there are 1k "glitched" guys, one of them should write it). I searched - none exists.

 

Occam's razer tells us that the simplest explanation is the rightest. We heard plenty of stories about "glitched" trophies and console before.

Edited April 9, 2017 by ScooloV

[Pricey403 15]

4 minutes ago, ScooloV said:

https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/47272-romanclarets-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1286766

 

I also doubt that it was done by himself. I think this was done by his friend or whoever.

 

He got Interactive League trophy 1.5 years after he started to play. It took a really long time to "glitch".

As multiple people said, servers are screwy, especially EA. Rayman Legends occasionally won't give you the final level of awesomeness trophy as the servers bug out when you head online near a challenge reset. People do take breaks from games, and can play others. I can't see Roman's other FIFA trophies now as he hid them, but maybe he wanted to clean up his profile completion and decided to head back to the game before 10 released. He has every other FIFA plat other than 10, what's to stop him using a save to unlock the 10 plat?

Edited April 9, 2017 by Pricey403