the day i feared that would come has happened...

[Extratenzy]

4 minutes ago, ArmoredSquirreXD said:

I mean, Tower of Babble is ezpz, but this is the reason I don't play BO2 anymore. 

not really with guys who don't know what to do... its pretty decent, it just needs guys who know what they're doing...

[Extratenzy]

so here's what i did to hide my game... went on my privacy settings on my PS3, chose "show trophies to anyone" went on my trophy collection as online, took down that tick that said "show Trophies for this game" and then saved... was that right?

[ProfBambam55]

3 hours ago, madbuk said:

How do we know that the person who hacked it wasn't your friend? We don't. Even though I believe you, if we let you off the hook we'll have to let everyone off the hook and that'll mean a lot of hackers get back onto the leaderboard and nerf rarity values as well.

This is why we have a thread that tells you how to delete trophies that are hacked for you, and also why we have the leniency limit of 3 games.

 

@ProfBambam55's whitelist suggestion makes no sense because the leniency limit already exists for cases like this

The whitelist suggestion would do nothing but shit on the accomplishments of people who get it legit as everyone can now just hack it and have 0 punishment if they get caught.

Not sure what this means...let's say he did hack it for the sake of the example and compare the system now to white listing...

 

Now: he gets flagged, he disputes, he inevitably loses since even if he recorded it and reported the hacker to Sony the time stamp is impossible legit, he gets a strike...he has two choices, hide the entire list or not hide anything...either way he's off the leaderboards...what you're telling me is we side with hackers here on psnp by allowing them to f**k with legit member's trophy lists...people should not play certain games online as developers intended...you're also basically telling me that there are a bunch of hackers just waiting to cheat games but the only thing stopping them is a strike on this site...

 

White list: the trophy is recognized as being one that can be auto-popped by hackers unwillingly...only the trophies that are proven to be hard to avoid having this happen and that have time stamps that fall into the category of implausible are removed from the member's profile and leaderboards, no dispute, no strike...any other trophies from the games in question can still be flagged...what would be the incentive to hack them?...someone  really wants a whitelist tag on their trophies?...this tells me this site knows crap like this can happen when legit gamers play games online as developers intended them to be played fully intending to earn their trophies legit...the times for these trophies will be removed from the leaderboards and plat revoked (should it be the case like the one here) but no further "punishment", as you call it, is necessary...how does this $hit on anyone's accomplishments?...I don't understand...to me having legit members hide their whole list over bs like this is much worse...it also prevents them from joining gaming sessions meaning if they wanted to get the rest of the trophies they're missing they'll have to look elsewhere for help if no sessions exist...some trophy tracking sites also don't allow access if people have hidden games on their profiles...on this site, we all get to watch their failed attempt at trying to dispute their flag which doesn't seem like much fun to me from a legit gamer's perspective...all this over some idiot hacker?...

 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one...you can side with representing your idea of "leniency" (which throws potentially legit gamers in the same category as cfw and ofw mod users and save file abusers) and I'll stick with representing the idea of legit gamers playing whatever they want without having to worry about some dude in a public lobby with mods giving them a hard time here on this site...if it only helps %0.01 percent of this community white listing is a good idea in my opinion if our goal is to focus on legit gamers...remember the only difference in terms of statistics is not having an h in a blue box on their profile...is this really so important?...and if so, why?...the argument that this is the only thing stopping hackers, which is what your argument implies, is one I find really hard to believe...

Edited June 23, 2017 by ProfBambam55
cell...typos...

[HardXDXtraga]

It bafles me how people still play games they know have hacked lobbies and then come complain, it's like saying I like cake, but that one cake has poison, I'll eat it anyway though, what's the worst that could happen?

It's not that hard to avoid games like this or play them or another account, in the end it's just something you gotta get over, live and learn

[ProfBambam55]

hmmm, poison cakes and trophies?..am I the only one who doesn't get it?...I suppose if the result of the poison was to either give you a strike or not on this site then yeah, it's pretty much the same...if we're getting into odd analogies perhaps we could compare white listing to doing community service as opposed to jail time for poisoning cakes...

 

on the topic of baffling, I'm somewhat surprised that some people think the process of removing hacked trophies or knowing which games have which trophies as being auto-poppable online is common knowledge among 300 000 people or so and seem to truly believe that legit gamers should go out of their way to play these games...I mean, why would you want to try to get legit online trophies on the same account as your singleplayer ones, right?...better to not try to play them, be scared of hackers, and avoid them?...I hope when the next mod menu is released that allows this, someone who thinks like this is the first one it's tested on...sorry to be vindictive, and call me naive if you will but it just seems so silly to me to think along the lines of "c'mon man, you were asking for it...quit your whining" for these situations...

 

also, for curiosity's sake, 

@SniperEliteDido could you send me a screenshot of your players met list via pm plz?...i'd like to look into the other players that were in the lobby with you...

Edited June 23, 2017 by ProfBambam55

[Potent_Delusions]

Yep, unfortunately you are basically forbidden from playing this game's MP now if you don't have the 100% because a few people thought that it counts as a hacked platinum and have fervently campaigned for it to be regarded as so. 

[TheLakota]

1 hour ago, HardXDXtraga said:

It bafles me how people still play games they know have hacked lobbies and then come complain, it's like saying I like cake, but that one cake has poison, I'll eat it anyway though, what's the worst that could happen?

It's not that hard to avoid games like this or play them or another account, in the end it's just something you gotta get over, live and learn

 

What a ridiculous analogy. 

[temp-910724]

You talk like you knew this could happen, but then still didn't take any actions to avoid this. Makes me think this was deliberate.

 

Why didn't you

1. Play on an alternate account 

or

2. Delete your profile

 

Instead you saw the trophies be popped by a hacker with full knowledge it was by a hacker and then synced them

[Yuichiro-Akuhei]

just hide it for your private colletion, I also would love to play this game again and get the platinum, to bad a easy trophy is unobtainable! but there are plenty more nice games out there to be platinumed! I suggest just move on ?

[TheLakota]

50 minutes ago, midgetstrawdog said:

You talk like you knew this could happen, but then still didn't take any actions to avoid this. Makes me think this was deliberate.

 

Why didn't you

1. Play on an alternate account 

or

2. Delete your profile

 

Instead you saw the trophies be popped by a hacker with full knowledge it was by a hacker and then synced them

 

Only took two pages for the kid to be accused of cheating. It's because of gamers such as yourself that I quit playing BO2, an admittedly fun game. 

 

I would just rather not deal with virtue signalling trolls. 

[Extratenzy]

Can someone just tell me how do i hide a game on PSNP? can't find how on Google...

[Stevieboy]

5 minutes ago, SniperEliteDido said:

Can someone just tell me how do i hide a game on PSNP? can't find how on Google...

 

Follow the instructions in this thread (swap show for hide):

 

 

[Gibbo_0113]

6 hours ago, midgetstrawdog said:

You talk like you knew this could happen, but then still didn't take any actions to avoid this. Makes me think this was deliberate.

 

Why didn't you

1. Play on an alternate account 

or

2. Delete your profile

 

Instead you saw the trophies be popped by a hacker with full knowledge it was by a hacker and then synced them

 

People shouldn't have to think like this just because there are hackers. 

 

I reckon the flag should be lifted, its only 1 trophy afterall. Much like glitches and exploits hackers are unfortunately a part of a number of games.

[Extratenzy]

16 minutes ago, Stevieboy said:

 

Follow the instructions in this thread (swap show for hide):

 

 

Thanks, Steve... syncing my new trophy now.

9 minutes ago, Gibbo_0113 said:

 

People shouldn't have to think like this just because there are hackers. 

 

I reckon the flag should be lifted, its only 1 trophy afterall. Much like glitches and exploits hackers are unfortunately a part of a number of games.

could agree, but disagree at the sametime... im sure there are alot of guys here got it as the same result as me, and possibly getting it while focusing on getting "Welcome to the penthouse" besides... atleast im cleaning all of my games that can't be platted/and or 100%ed... BO2 is a list i would have been proud to have, but oh well. fuck you Activsion... its a very easy trophy after all. 

now i can finally concentrate on getting a 100% cleanly at least...

[MMDE]

1 hour ago, Gibbo_0113 said:

I reckon the flag should be lifted, its only 1 trophy afterall. Much like glitches and exploits hackers are unfortunately a part of a number of games.

 

The 1 trophy that is currently unobtainable, and he earned many months after his last trophy.

 

Just to be clear. I don't think it should be lifted. It's earned illegitimate. It would be wrong for everyone who earned it legitimate.

 

What I do think should be done is that it can be added to a whitelist, so the game doesn't count on their stats, but they don't need to hide it. If you are detected with illegitimate trophies for the game, it shouldn't count towards your stats, but you don't need to hide it and it doesn't count as a strike.

Edited June 24, 2017 by MMDE

[temp-910724]

8 hours ago, TheLakota said:

 

Only took two pages for the kid to be accused of cheating. It's because of gamers such as yourself that I quit playing BO2, an admittedly fun game. 

 

I would just rather not deal with virtue signalling trolls. 

Accused? "The kid" said he got the trophy illegitimately and then synced it. 

Really not sure how my comment relates to you stopping playing BO2

 

2 pages wasn't enough evidence, but it took 1 post for you to call me a virtue signalling troll 

[HellcoreFire]

Question, why are these hackers always forced to hide their whole list instead of just the hacked trophies?

[ProfBambam55]

It's the only option a player has for hiding on their console...it's all or none...

 

Once again, @SniperEliteDido would you mind sending me a screenshot of your players met list plz?...it can be found on the far right of your xmb above your friends list under "Players Met"...thanks...

[charlijaen]

1 hour ago, MMDE said:

 

The 1 trophy that is currently unobtainable, and he earned many months after his last trophy.

 

Just to be clear. I don't think it should be lifted. It's earned illegitimate. It would be wrong for everyone who earned it legitimate.

 

What I do think should be done is that it can be added to a whitelist, so the game doesn't count on their stats, but they don't need to hide it. If you are detected with illegitimate trophies for the game, it shouldn't count towards your stats, but you don't need to hide it and it doesn't count as a strike.

 

The trophy was easy to do when it was achievable and he got the rest of the trophies legit.

Why is considered cheating if it is just the one ge got in a hacked lobby?

 

Treyarch stopped updating leagues because BO3 was released and stopped supporting BO2 forever and it's not player's fault.

 

If he also had got another trophy aside from this one, then it MUST be considered cheating, but as I said, in my view, he shouldn't be flagged.

Also, to send a report, you have to select at least 3 hacked trophies, which ones would you choose here? Big Leagues & the platinum? You still need to select 1 more.

 

EDIT:

Then, in FIFA 14 & FIFA 15,

WHY is not considered cheating to change the PS4 time & date to tamper EA servers info and be able to play old challenges for the Matchday Challenge trophies?

Edited June 24, 2017 by charlijaen

[Potent_Delusions]

4 hours ago, MMDE said:

 

The 1 trophy that is currently unobtainable, and he earned many months after his last trophy.

 

Just to be clear. I don't think it should be lifted. It's earned illegitimate. It would be wrong for everyone who earned it legitimate.

 

What I do think should be done is that it can be added to a whitelist, so the game doesn't count on their stats, but they don't need to hide it. If you are detected with illegitimate trophies for the game, it shouldn't count towards your stats, but you don't need to hide it and it doesn't count as a strike.

 

Glad to see you also agree with that whitelist thing MMDE. Hopefully something will come of it one day.

[Super-Fly Spider-Guy]

I don't really care, but now I regret ditching my copy a few weeks back, could have likely got a free plat.

[Sergen]

I'll say this, anyone who is able to get Giant Accomplishment, All Zombies trophies and Prestige in Multiplayer would CERTAINLY be able to get Big Leagues if the feature was still working, along the way to becoming prestige, you certainly get more than 5 wins on other modes... To tell this guy that he's incapable of being able to earn Big Leagues is a joke and it's a very elitist thing to argue about. If you did NOT mod your own console to unlock the trophies or download someone else's save then you didn't break the rules in Sony's terms and conditions, which prohibit those things, there's nothing in the terms and conditions against playing COD Black Ops II because hackers run wild. People should let Activision and Sony worry about Black Ops II hackers instead of trying to police people who want to play a goddamn game. If Activision and Sony don't care, why should anyone here care? That trophy in particular should be treated as a glitched trophy that is obtained through random luck, I mean you wouldn't fuck someone up for completing a game with a glitch that allows you to skip the entire story and only play for 5 minutes, so why should you care about Big Leagues? Many games get glitches AFTER people spent a lot of time getting the trophies and the glitches make the game easier e.g. Far Cry 2's level 30 glitch but you don't see people getting flagged for that because it's an in-game glitch, but it kind of does devalue the work people put in BEFORE the glitch was discovered. 

 

The time flagging people for playing Black Ops II should be spent flagging games that can only be hacked by the person who intends to hack it. A lot of people still play this game and because it can happen to anyone on any day and is very likely to happen, it shouldn't be something that is held against that person. The big ugly H on a profile is enough of an embarrassment as it is, some people are completionists who want to maintain a high completion rate, but if they need to hide a game then they look like they were mainly hiding the game so their completion rate wouldn't go lower and not because of a mistake that wasn't their fault. 

 

Also, the whole "we don't know if you asked a hacker who was your friend to help you" is another big joke, because people get carried with online trophies all the time, trophy hunters tend to be the biggest pushovers I see whenever I play games with them, meaning they'd happily let me do all the work while they relax. There are plenty of games, mostly co-op where a trophy hunter will just let themselves die at the beginning while other people solo it for them, or use exploits and glitches while the other person beats it for them, they don't do anything to contribute but they get a trophy and they're still praised for it if they post about getting the trophy. 

Edited June 24, 2017 by Sergen

[MMDE]

6 minutes ago, Sergen said:

I'll say this, anyone who is able to get Giant Accomplishment, All Zombies trophies and Prestige in Multiplayer would CERTAINLY be able to get Big Leagues if the feature was still working, along the way to becoming prestige, you certainly get more than 5 wins on other modes... To tell this guy that he's incapable of being able to earn Big Leagues is a joke and it's a very elitist thing to argue about. If you did NOT mod your own console to unlock the trophies or download someone else's save then you didn't break the rules in Sony's terms and conditions, which prohibit those things, there's nothing in the terms and conditions against playing COD Black Ops II because hackers run wild. People should let Activision and Sony worry about Black Ops II hackers instead of trying to police people who want to play a goddamn game. If Activision and Sony don't care, why should anyone here care? That trophy in particular should be treated as a glitched trophy that is obtained through random luck, I mean you wouldn't fuck someone up for completing a game with a glitch that allows you to skip the entire story and only play for 5 minutes, so why should you care about Big Leagues? Many games get glitches AFTER people spent a lot of time getting the trophies and the glitches make the game easier e.g. Far Cry 2's level 30 glitch but you don't see people getting flagged for that because it's an in-game glitch, but it kind of does devalue the work people put in BEFORE the glitch was discovered. 

 

The time flagging people for playing Black Ops II should be spent flagging games that can only be hacked by the person who intends to hack it. A lot of people still play this game and because it can happen to anyone on any day and is very likely to happen, it shouldn't be something that is held against that person. The big ugly H on a profile is enough of an embarrassment as it is, some people are completionists who want to maintain a high completion rate, but if they need to hide a game then they look like they were mainly hiding the game so their completion rate wouldn't go lower and not because of a mistake that wasn't their fault. 

 

Again, it should be flagged, it's not legitimate. I however want to see it not affect the player the same way.  AKA the game no longer counting on their stats, but that they don't need to hide it and doesn't count as a strike.

[TazDevilz1986]

I saw also that alot off people pay those modding guys, to get their trophies. And it's not only " I joined a random lobby and trophies started to pop".

[EdinhoN]

It annoys me a bit seeing how people in this website keeps saying "You shouldn't have played it in your main account". Geez, some people still try to have fun with online games. BO2 was an amazingly funny game to play online before hackers took control of it, no surprise some people still want to get camos, stats and much more with their main account.

One thing that bothers me is the way people usually treat "suspects" here: you're guilty unless you proof thoroughly your innocence... I prefer seeing a hacker getting away with his ilegit trophies than for an innocent one to lose legit-earned trophies. And speaking as a legit achiever of BO2 plat and Big Leagues trophies: I don't fucking care if some people got it by playing in lobbies with hackers, as long the guy seems innocent (look at the other trophies in his BO2 or even other games in his profile) and got the unob not hacking by himself I wouldn't be bothered as a legit achiever.

That is such a retarded and easy trophy, took like an hour to be done when it was possible yet, it breaks me seeing comrades hiding other 50 legit trophies or so from their profiles just because of a game that should be lifted from any suspicion.

I would really love to keep playing BO2 casually on PS3 (moved to PC as there is less hackers there), however I don't wanna risk getting one of the EEs trophies I'm missing for 100% autopopped, hiding such a nice game from my list due to a stupid leaderboard. I remember that flagged players couldn't join gaming sessions a while ago, that is the most terrible punishment for these clean players with hacked BO2 trophies. Has this been lifted? Should be.

Anyway, I think we shouldn't give such huge dimensions for trophies and leaderboards: they simply mean nothing. Yep. Nothing.