Dreakon13 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rexmon18 said: On the topic of answered another theory I have is video games are getting to the point where they don't need to look any better. Look at some of the stuff on the PS4. The PS4 and Xbox One S are powerful enough to the hardware is not really holding devs back. It is interesting to see where games go next. Every generation it feels like "it can't possibly get any better than this", yet developers always find a way. I bet they could do better things with better hardware... but the PC platform, for all it's dominance in some people's eyes, has yet to prove it. And try as they will to blame consoles, they have no one to blame but themselves IMO. Edited October 27, 2017 by Dreakon13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBluebird Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dreakon13 said: It is interesting to see where games go next. Every generation it feels like "it can't possibly get any better than this", yet developers always find a way. I bet they could do better things with better hardware... but PC, for all it's dominance in some people's eyes, has yet to prove it. They have no one to blame but themselves IMO. Where are probably going to see more games on the scale of Grand Theft Auto 5 IMO 1 minute ago, Dreakon13 said: It is interesting to see where games go next. Every generation it feels like "it can't possibly get any better than this", yet developers always find a way. I bet they could do better things with better hardware... but PC, for all it's dominance in some people's eyes, has yet to prove it. They have no one to blame but themselves IMO. The PC gets a lot of "Adult" games. I would like to see some on PS4 and VITA FYI I'm talking about stuff like Monster Girl Quest. Edited October 27, 2017 by Rexmon18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Rexmon18 said: The PC gets a lot of "Adult" games. I would like to see some on PS4 and VITA FYI I'm talking about stuff like Monster Girl Quest. That wasn't really what I was referring to with words like "better things" and "dominance". ? Edited October 27, 2017 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBluebird Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Dreakon13 said: That wasn't really what I was referring to with words like "better things" and "dominance". Its not my fault I'm a pervert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said: Just want to clarify before this gets locked... The topic wasn't about how anyone feels about exclusives, or about whether or not the PC has exclusives. Of course it has exclusives, and not everyone likes them. It was about why the PC doesn't have top flight exclusives in the graphical department (or in general really) despite the platforms propensity towards greater raw output than consoles... as we're led to believe by the #PCMasterRace. I appreciate those who attempted to answer that question, I feel it led (and still could, staff willing) to interesting... if spirited/heated... debate. However I look on disappointingly at those who didn't (myself included in spots). You're the reasons we can't have nice things. Fair enough. I stepped back a bit, because I think there is a debate to happen here, and I don't want to be the cause of its destruction. I vow to play nicer. ? I have no nice things myself. Edited October 27, 2017 by starcrunch061 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBluebird Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, Dreakon13 said: That wasn't really what I was referring to with "better things" and "dominance". 3 minutes ago, starcrunch061 said: Fair enough. I stepped back a bit, because I think there is a debate to happen here, and I don't want to be the cause of its destruction. I vow to play nicer. ? I have no nice things myself. How nice? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 48 minutes ago, Rexmon18 said: Where are probably going to see more games on the scale of Grand Theft Auto 5 IMO The PC gets a lot of "Adult" games. I would like to see some on PS4 and VITA FYI I'm talking about stuff like Monster Girl Quest. Never going to happen, if you want adult games on consoles, you'll need to play on Fifth gen consoles or older. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBluebird Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just now, SnowxSakura said: Never going to happen, if you want adult games on consoles, you'll need to play on Fifth gen consoles or older. I know its dumb imo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Rexmon18 said: I know its dumb imo lol Not counting the console companies from not wanting porn games on their systems, it wouldn't be profitable either, no sane retailer would willingly carry those titles. Even the old Atari porn games were sold in adult sex shops mainly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlchemistWer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 exclusives on PC?? In my opinion PC is the best place when you looking for play online games, also compare console with PC is stupid because nowaday consoles are most close to become a PC like a failed dream, look the new xbox or the aliance with nvidia and Nintendo. Pc always will be amazing option when you want play videogames, games like Dota or mmorpg are the essence to play with mouse and keyboard. Console are console, we play games without the plataform in mind, a console player dont mind thing like FPS, video card, ram, etc... just want play videogames and thats it. I love play on PC and when people ask me which system I prefect the answer is easy... BOTH OF THEM because both are complement, but you ask for exclusives, well, we can consider as exclusives all those game we dont have on console as exclusives. What about the emulator on pc for example, MMORPG and MOBA and if you are inside the wolrd of visual novel you can find more than 200 "exclusive". at the end company just want make money and steam + playstation is the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AlchemistWer said: also compare console with PC is stupid because nowaday consoles are most close to become a PC like a failed dream I agree with this, actually. To be honest, I'm a segregationist when it comes to PC and console. While that would mean that I would lose many great titles, I just feel like the bad (such as broken games, which are far more easily overcome on PC) outweighs the good. But it still doesn't expain Dreakon's original point, which is that there are few (if any) big ticket exclusives that truly showcase the power of the PC. While consoles may be "failed PCs", the PC gamers aren't marching on developers' offices with pitchforks and torches. Edited October 27, 2017 by starcrunch061 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactic Hyper Balls Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 they do and they don't, same with consoles they do and they don't By all respects, he has the answers for the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 On 10/26/2017 at 9:55 AM, lagoonaris said: Well, personally I think the PC lacks those high graphic exclusives for one simple reason: Not everyone has a high end gaming pc. And games are developed with the intention to be bought as much as possible. So why spend who knows how much on a game development that needs the latest hardware and what else to show the grand pc master race that it is the op king of gaming, just that a few thousands can buy and play the game, when you can lower the graphic standards so that maybe million of people can buy and play the game? In the end, the money made from sells is what counts and that can not be made when high end graphics is the most important thing. Yeah pretty much this. It is why you don't see mind blowing games releasing exclusively for the Kinect, Move, VR, 3D Display etc. Because why would a company dump a ton of money into a product that only a small percentage of games can buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBluebird Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 16 hours ago, SnowxSakura said: Not counting the console companies from not wanting porn games on their systems, it wouldn't be profitable either, no sane retailer would willingly carry those titles. Even the old Atari porn games were sold in adult sex shops mainly PSN is a thing 15 hours ago, starcrunch061 said: I agree with this, actually. To be honest, I'm a segregationist when it comes to PC and console. While that would mean that I would lose many great titles, I just feel like the bad (such as broken games, which are far more easily overcome on PC) outweighs the good. But it still doesn't expain Dreakon's original point, which is that there are few (if any) big ticket exclusives that truly showcase the power of the PC. While consoles may be "failed PCs", the PC gamers aren't marching on developers' offices with pitchforks and torches. I miss when consoles were more unique. I hope the Switch fixes that 6 hours ago, Dr_Mayus said: Yeah pretty much this. It is why you don't see mind blowing games releasing exclusively for the Kinect, Move, VR, 3D Display etc. Because why would a company dump a ton of money into a product that only a small percentage of games can buy. This is what I was talking about in my first post about the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Rexmon18 said: PSN is a thing I miss when consoles were more unique. I hope the Switch fixes that This is what I was talking about in my first post about the market I don't think they would allow digital downloads either, it's way too easy for a minor to buy an M rated game. Would be nice to have asagi on a console, but it just won't ever happen since they all have family friendly images to maintain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbuu3 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) On 27/10/2017 at 5:19 AM, Rexmon18 said: They made 3.5 billion. It makes more sense to port your games to everything lol If you're talking about steam thats a company that takes a percentage of a bunch of games they put no money into of course they'll make obscene amounts of money. The devs are the ones who need to make profit for the game industry to exist. They clearly make a much larger profit on consoles, they can charge more and and games don't go as cheap ever. I think you can put the rest together. I don't really care about the topic at hand enough to have an opinion, but I do stand by the above. Also you're completely correct releasing your game on more platforms equals more money. Edited October 28, 2017 by Superbuu3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) On 10/26/2017 at 8:04 AM, Phil said: PC elitists like to yell and scream about graphics, however, if anybody who's been around long enough knows, graphics play a small part in selling a game. Most developers and publishers know this as well. Like previously stated, no dev/pub is going to invest $100 million into a game just so ten or twenty thousand people will buy it. They need to move as many copies as possible. PC gaming will never be as big as console gaming, plain and simple. A good PC will cost you over a thousand dollars, whereas a PS4 Pro costs $399 new. Add that with an Ultra HD TV and you have a setup that is still cheaper than a lot of custom built PCs. I played Runescape when it was basically 2-D and looked like utter crap to those who have never played it before. But it was addicting and hella fun to play back in the day. DOTA 2 and League of Legends don't concentrate much on the graphics as the gameplay. A lot of computer games would look simply stunning, even better than PS4 Pro 4K if these developers had the time to develop something that impressive. But you're limited to a very small audience who has the top of the line computer equipment, while a lot of people have one - three year old custom built desktops that aren't exactly the best of the best anymore. PCs were always better for strategy games like Simcity and Civilization. The amount of commands and options makes those games nearly impossible to put on a console. There are strategy games on the consoles, but a lot of them have to have more simplified controls because there's only so many buttons on a controller. World of Warcraft has far too many commands to be put onto a controller, so a keyboard is really the one and only true solution. PC has the capability of putting out the best looking graphics anybody has ever seen. But like I said, that's only limited to a small amount of people, and putting something that looks visually powerful and stunning costs a lot of money, and without a wide audience to sell to, the companies end up losing money. Edited October 29, 2017 by Spaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertBluebird Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 10/29/2017 at 1:17 AM, Superbuu3 said: If you're talking about steam thats a company that takes a percentage of a bunch of games they put no money into of course they'll make obscene amounts of money. The devs are the ones who need to make profit for the game industry to exist. They clearly make a much larger profit on consoles, they can charge more and and games don't go as cheap ever. I think you can put the rest together. I don't really care about the topic at hand enough to have an opinion, but I do stand by the above. Also you're completely correct releasing your game on more platforms equals more money. The devs would have made a good amount as well. On 10/28/2017 at 10:07 PM, SnowxSakura said: I don't think they would allow digital downloads either, it's way too easy for a minor to buy an M rated game. Would be nice to have asagi on a console, but it just won't ever happen since they all have family friendly images to maintain. Yep Sony have a history of not allowing porn look into betamax some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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