PlayStation 5, what are your expectations for the next generation?

[gabor434]

So i think its time to talk about the Playstation 5, although its still a few years away, im sure that Sony is already working on it in some way.

The main topic i want to discuss here is in the title, what are your expectations for it? in other words, which functions you want from the PS5 or how big of a graphical upgrade you are expecting or what kind of hardware you want in it and things like that.

I don't want this to turn into "when the PS5 will come out" speculation topic, but i understand that also can be an expectation, so if you say the year you want the PS5 to come out, then add a reason why you want it then.

 

 

Without further ado, here are my expectations for the PS5:

 

Let's start with the hardware:

- Powerfull enough hardware to run every single game in UltraHD (4k) with 60FPS

- It should have a desktop proccessor this time. The PS4 uses a processor designed for laptops/tablets and it holds it back a lot. The PS5 should have an 8 core AMD Ryzen CPU running at 4Ghz at the very least, anything less and 60FPS becoming the standard will be compromised.

- It should have a 10 times more powerfull GPU as the base PS4. (graphical processing unit) Lets say the standard for PS4 is 1080P/30FPS so we need 4 times more power for 2160P resolution and 2 times more for 60FPS, so thats  8 times more added together, but 8 times more will be only be enough for the same graphics on a higher resolution and framerate so if we also want better geometry, character models, draw distance, shadows, lighting etc, then we need more. That's why i said 10 times more.

- Separate RAM for the games and the operating system and at least 20GB RAM available for games. The PS4 has 8GB GDDR5 RAM, but only 5GB of that is available for games. That's still a huge leap compared to the PS3's 0.5GB RAM, but 3GB of fast RAM is basically getting wasted for operating system tasks. In the PS5 they should use fast RAM for the games and put in a separate slower RAM for the operating system. This will also cut costs.

- It should have a 2TB desktop HDD or SSHD  Both the PS3 and PS4 uses laptop hard drives, and they are much slower then their desktop counterpart, so by using desktop drives we could get faster loading times or if they decide to use an SSHD we could get even faster loading times with games and applications we use the most.

- It should be in a big case, like the Xbox One, with quiet cooling. (with better design obviously)  I dont understand why people want very small home consoles, its not beneficial and very slim consoles can have overheating problems or if not, then they are very loud. A lot of people laughed about the Xbox One as it looks like an old VHS player, and while its true that it looks stupid, but that big box works very well for the cooling. Most of the PS4 models can get very loud during a graphically demanding game, while the Xbox One is basically quiet all the time. Also, if Sony will put powerful hardware in the PS5, something like i described above, then they have no choice, because its simply not possible to cool down the machine in a small case, like what the PS4 have (with air cooling).

- It absolutely must have a Blu-Ray drive and physical games available. (Also needed for backwards compatibility)I get it that it's the digital age, but there are still a lot of people buying physical games for various reasons, like slow internet connection or they just want to collect games. It would be a huge mistake on Sony's part to make the PS5 a digital game only machine. Next gen games might take up more space than 50GB which is the biggest blu ray disk that the PS4 can have for games, but there are already 100GB blu ray disks available, so they should just put in a drive capable reading those. 100GB should be enough space for a while and if not, they can make 2 disk games with one install disk and one play disk. For smaller games they could still use the old 25 or 50GB disks to cut costs.

 

Allright that's enough of hardware, now lets get to the software and functions part:

- Same or very similar menu design as the PS4.  I think the PS4's menu system is nearly perfect, its very easy to use and you have your most used games and applications in front of you right away.

- There should be an installation percentage (%) indicator on every game's icon in the main menu when you are downloading it or installing it from the disk. It pisses me off that the PS4 doesn't have this. i know that most games can be started way before it's fully installed, but it would be nice to see how the installation is going from the main menu, without going to downloads. And with the PS4, the only way to know that your disk game is fully installed that your disk stops spinning, that's so stupid... (For those who don't know, the PS4 fully installs all data from the disk too, after its done, it only needs the disk for authentication. So all of your games run from the hard drive.)

- Same gameplay recording, streaming, remote play and share play functions as in the PS4.

- It should be able to play single player games in offline mode, any time. We still dont want always online consoles, like what microsoft was planning to do with the Xbox One, it would have needed to go online in every 24hours or the console wouldnt work.

- Full backwards compatibility with the PS4, esspecially with the games.  It should be able to play PS4 games from either a physical disk or a digital download, in at least the same quality as the PS4. Party and message systems should stay compatible with the PS4 and PS Vita. Honestly i dont think this is a big ask, PS4 uses the standard PC architecture, so if the PS5 stays the same it should be fairly easy to make PS4 games run with the stronger hardware.

- PS1, PS2, PS3 backwards compatibility, if possible, but PS4 backwards compatibility should have priority.   It should be able to run them with emulation. In the PS1 and 2's case its not a big deal, but emulating the PS3's Cell CPU might still prove very difficult and even if they can manage it somehow, it might take more time then making PS1 PS2 and PS4 backwards compatibility added together.

 

And lastly 2 other points:

- It shouldn't cost more than 500Dollars on release.

- With all the above things mentioned i would expect the PS5 to come out in late 2020 or 2021. In my opinion it would be a mistake to release it earlier, because they would not be able to fit strong enough hardware in the 500Dollars budget before that and then we would need a PS5 Pro after a few years again... I would rather wait a few more years for a powerful PS5 which can last for 6-7 years, than get a weak one earlier and then get a PS5 Pro later.

 

Do you guys agree or disagree with me?

I would like to hear your expectations for the PS5.

[Asvinia]

An even more bloated menu full of shit I can't delete or arrange how I want, more advertising and more social media integration somehow.

All the cancer I hate.

 

I'm expecting it to still play physical games, otherwise I'm hopping to PC.

Not expecting backwards compatibility either.

 

I would like trophy progression bars though like XBox has so I don't have to count stuff myself.

 

My thoughts aren't as in-depth as yours lol

[RachelCharlotte]

I would very much like for the PS5 to be what the PS3 and PS2 were: a good way to watch movies in the highest possible quality. Not only is the PS4 missing a modern Blu-Ray drive, the console is also often too loud for me to even think about not using my Xbox One S instead.

Apart from that I think there is not much room or need for improvement from the PS4 Pro.

[Saionji]

I want them to expand the VR technology on ps5 until it reaches the level of NerveGear

[Caesar Clown]

Less social media junk. No following, no friend feed, just a menu with games.

[Doomsdayman]

What I want:

- Open store so you could buy from multiple stores more competition for digital distribution and that means better deals. (Will never happen)

- Backwards comparability.

- Physical media still exists.

- An OS that accepts homebrew and that has no bloatware or ads.

- Better specs but also some of the RAM will be reserved for the OS (Example: You play a game, it's loading and you can just browse trough the XMB without lag).

- 4K Blu-ray player

- Bring back the "Players met" tab from the PS3 on the PS4 it wouldn't show all the players you met and it is really clumsy.

 

What I expect:

- Digital only, this generation has seen a huge rise of digital sales so I expect them to go digital only. They tried doing it with this generation but Sony pulled a smart 180.

- More ads and bloatware.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Doomsdayman

[RangyRV]

I expect better graphics, causing games to take even longer to be released.

 

"We are making this game from your beloved franchise, expect it to be released somewhere in the next 5 years" lol

 

Thats why PS1 era was the best for me, games were released faster.

[Dav9834]

31 minutes ago, Saionji cat said:

I want them to expand the VR technology on ps5 until it reaches the level of NerveGear

I would too

 

But unless they do it the way I have in mind, and we have the computational power per person for all that sensory data, we won't see it until we're old. Very old. :/

 

 

Ok I'm going to dream big! But doable. 

 

1-So much ram and dedicated space that I can pause and open a dozen+ games at the same time. So I can start off right where I left off anytime I want.

 

2-psvr 8k 200+ fov, games and experiences that reflect that + inside out camera tech + depth tech so you don't have to wear glasses .... and little more. 

 

3-A UI that is beautiful but simple like xbmc/what is now kodi. 

 

4- 4-5 hdmi inputs(Xbox had something going with that idea. True backwards compatible(ok loosely used term)!!). 1 for my ps4, 1 for my pstv, 1 for my ps3, 1 for whatever. 

 

5-better remote play. (Playstation now actually is beautiful, I almost never experience lag. But remote play always has a controller lag of about 300-500ms)

 

6-a psvita2(ps4 quality) that comes with the ps5 as a

the dedicated controller, and streamer for on the go(a mad good wifi antenna and/or 5g!)!(redesigned to feel like a complete replica of a dualshock 4 for use and comfort)

 

7-price point $500 for system, 1 psvita2 controller, and a game. (dreaming big!) 

 

Hmmmm 

 

8-A FFVIII remake for ps4. And a legend of legaia.... And a legend of Dragoon... And... And....a lot more ps1 games with trophies.... 

 

 

Ok I want #8 now... Like yesterday.  ><

[Kittens Are Awesome]

What I want from a ps5 is for it to be released a long, long time from now. Lets go....hmmm...seven to ten years from now. That sounds good. 

[Sundr0wn_]

First of all it really should be able to read CDs again. It's not as dead a medium as many think. It's kinda funny since the ps4 is pretty much my multimedia-player for whenever i'm not gaming, but everytime i wanna listen to a cd i gotta switch over the 10 year old ps3.

 

Also i hope they give it a few more years before going to the next generation. It doesnt feel that long ago that i started playing on ps4 and right now where finally getting some great "next gen games" unlike the first few years of it's life-cycle where it felt more like just prettier ps3 games.

[charlijaen]

55 minutes ago, gabor434 said:

It shouldn't cost more than 500Dollars on release

 

Taking into account the expensive components you list above, 500 USD is not viable. Those components would rise the price to over $600 even $700.

 

Native 4K is not really important, cutting it down would make the console affordable.

1080p at 60fps (or at least 30 stable) is good to go.  Many PS4/X1 games are not on 1080p native.

 

[Gwendly]

Assuming they don't move away from the x86 architecture ; backwards compatibility with PS4 games  

[Teslacron_Prime]

@Saionji cat ; pretty sure CIA has the nerve gear already

 

perhaps we can ask them for it politely? that always works..

Edited January 13, 2018 by Teslacron_Prime

[Dav9834]

1 minute ago, Teslacron_Prime said:

@Saionji cat ; pretty sure CIA has the nerve gear already ^.^

You mean DARPA maybe? Maybe they do.... Doubtful sense we know so little there is to know about the brain. 

But maybe! ^^

[Undead Wolf]

I want true backwards compatibility from PS4 all the way down to PS1. None of this PS Now crap. Have it so all you have to do is pop in the disc and you're good to go. Now that would be the ultimate console. ?

 

Of course, that's very unlikely to happen, but with all the great things Microsoft have been doing with backwards compatibility as of late, I wouldn't rule it out entirely. Sony championed backwards compatibility back in the day and they can do it again. I'm confident that it will play PS4 games at the very least and will run them better much like the PS4 Pro did.

[Teslacron_Prime]

SHHHHH... don't mention D@rp@.. bro

THEY ARE ALWAYS WATCHING o.o
 

3 minutes ago, Dav9834 said:

You mean DARPA maybe? Maybe they do.... Doubtful sense we know so little there is to know about the brain. 

But maybe! ^^

 

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[Cellcrash1991]

Are people really talking about a PS5 already? I still have a bunch of PS3 games in my backlog. ?

 

Anyway, I don't really need *new* functions or better hardware compared to the PS4. I like it as it is. I personally don't have the need to play in 4K graphics and such, I'm still happy in Full HD.

The better the graphics, the crappier and shorter the game gets, in my opinion.

The things I'd like to change on the PS4 itself can either be done via firmware updates (like an alphabetical trophy list, for example), or be done by myself. (Changed the standard 500gb HDD to an 2TB FireCuda)

[yellowwindow7]

really not in the mode for a ps5....

[erised_]

Backward compatibility, better browser (my needs are simple : )

[Leenewbe]

as long as i can access my digital library from ps4, maybe ps3 too im not too fused at what they do but i'll take a steady frame rate over 4k graphics.
it should also have the standard features that the previous console had, not have them added later.

Edited January 13, 2018 by Leenewbe

[gabor434]

24 minutes ago, charlijaen said:

 

Taking into account the expensive components you list above, 500 USD is not viable. Those components would rise the price to over $600 even $700.

 

Native 4K is not really important, cutting it down would make the console affordable.

1080p at 60fps (or at least 30 stable) is good to go.  Many PS4/X1 games are not on 1080p native.

 

 

I think that by 2020 or 2021 it would be possible to fit all that components into 500Dollars. Well it depends for how much they can get the CPU/GPU or APU from AMD, but i think AMD will give them a good deal because they make a lot of money from console hardware sale and they wouldnt want to lose this market to Intel or Nvidia.

In my opinion, 4k resolution is very much needed, OK maybe we dont need native resolution for all of the games, but 1080P for the next generation will not be unacceptable. There are already a lot of 4K TV-s out there and by the time the PS5 will come out, they will become the standard, so games should run in at least checkerboarded 4K or with dynamic resolution to keep the framerate a stable 60.

Yes there are some PS4 games out there which can't hit native 1080P, but those games are either badly optimized or they run with 60FPS. (or more than 30)

 

30 minutes ago, Undead Wolf said:

I want true backwards compatibility from PS4 all the way down to PS1. None of this PS Now crap. Have it so all you have to do is pop in the disc and you're good to go. Now that would be the ultimate console. 

 

Of course, that's very unlikely to happen, but with all the great things Microsoft have been doing with backwards compatibility as of late, I wouldn't rule it out entirely. Sony championed backwards compatibility back in the day and they can do it again. I'm confident that it will play PS4 games at the very least and will run them better much like the PS4 Pro did.

 

I think we have the same idea then. The PS5 could be awesome that way.

But yes, its very unlikely they will make it that way, they wouldn't make any money out of pysical PS1,2,3 game support. While with PS Now and re released PS2 games in the store they can make money.

I'll be happy if they add PS4 game support and impressed if they add more.

[bezdomnekoty]

I will be short on this one. So i wan't it to be better than the new xbox only that haha fuck me i'm not a FanBoy

[Nightstream88]

2 hours ago, Saionji cat said:

I want them to expand the VR technology on ps5 until it reaches the level of NerveGear

Kind of about why I would want them expand on VR technology as well I just hope someone makes a Zoids, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Star Wars(kind of always wanted to fly in an X-wing even though I probably would just end up crashing into something) or a game to where I can be a dragon in for VR.
Hopefully it doesn't turn into a death game, if it does I just hope the game isn't a shooter since I don't want to die right off the bat since my aim in shooters suck ass.
 Also even though I actually don't like driving in fog I'm kind of hoping for a creepy foggy forest level to explore in, pretty sure we won't get it in 2022 kind of hoping by 2036 at the earliest if we do get it.

 As far as the Playstation 5 goes as long it isn't digital only or tries to block used games I'll end up getting it as long as it still has games I'm interested and hoping it has good indie games as well.
It also seems like they should at least let you access your digital library for backwards compatible as well.

[Zenpai]

1 hour ago, gabor434 said:

In my opinion, 4k resolution is very much needed, OK maybe we dont need native resolution for all of the games, but 1080P for the next generation will not be unacceptable. There are already a lot of 4K TV-s out there and by the time the PS5 will come out, they will become the standard, so games should run in at least checkerboarded 4K or with dynamic resolution to keep the framerate a stable 60.

 

The thing is, 4K is something some people really clamor for, but very few of them would actually notice the difference from 2K or even 1080p. For you to even notice the difference, you would have to be very close to the screen, and by then, the experience would be similar to that of sitting on the first row of a movie theater (which coincidentally are the only places that actually would benefit from 4K). Sure, your games would look super nice up close, but you'd end up finishing every session with one hell of a stiff neck.

 

Not to mention, running a steady, native 4K is really taxing on a games console, so it would really hike up the price and make it unnecessarily big. Plus, it would require additional optimization and texture work on the part of developers and I really don't want to give publishers any more excuses to pull off the "games are so expensive, that's why we have to use season passes, excessive DLC, 30 different special editions, microtransactions and loot boxes" card.

 

The thing is, 4K is something that TV manufacturers are trying to push on us because they are growing desperate. Since people only really buy a new TV every 10-20 years, they're desperately trying to sell us some new gimmick so that we'll upgrade sooner. Most people don't even have TVs large enough to benefit from 4K, and again, even if they did, they wouldn't even be able to notice the difference unless they were sitting really close.

 

Not to mention, 4K is extremely unwieldy. The file sizes are way too big, so you would have to use Blu-Ray XL to even store it all - and they're a hell of a lot more expensive than double layer Blu-Ray. Even if you went digital, those files would take up tons of space on your hard-drive, which would force either the console manufacturers or the consumers to pony up for a bigger hard drive. Either way, you'd be the one paying the bill in the end. Even for streaming, the file sizes are so unnecessarily big that they'd have to be compressed to even be feasible... which kinda defeats the whole point of 4K.

 

Basically, we've been fed the narrative that we all need 4K when it's in all of our interests to just stick to 1080p. I very much doubt it will become the standard anytime soon.

 

 

Regarding the Playstation 5... I'd rather it came late if at all. Games already look more than fine and I'd rather developers pushed the envelope artistically rather than technically. If it has to come, what would I like?

 

• Total backwards compatibility with at least the PS4. If they stick to the same architecture, it should be perfectly feasible, nay, easy. Software emulation of the PS3, PS2 and PS1 would be perfect. Obviously, it has to be physically backwards compatible. If I have to buy the game yet again, then it's nothing more than a port.
• All games running at a stable 1080p 60fps. This should be a given for the PS5. 4K... only if it's something that can be done quickly and cheaply (like with Okami HD, for example). I don't want games to be so graphically perfect that they take longer to make, take development time away from the actual experience, rather than the visuals, and give publishers yet another excuse to milk us dry with microtransactions and the like.
• The return of the XMB. I don't mind the PS4's Dynamic Menu, but it's undeniable that the XMB was a lot sleeker and more convenient.
• Free online play (this is just me being kind of idealistic, since even bloody Nintendo now requires you to pay for online, but eh... since we're all listing our dreams, anyway...)
• Actual physical games. Kinda sad that I'd have to even state this, but not all of us treat our games as disposable. Some of us would like to have actual possession of our games, not just a glorified rental. You cannot lend, trade or sell digital games.

 

I actually don't want all that much from the next Playstation. Basically, just take what's been done before and make it run as perfectly as possible.

Edited January 13, 2018 by jrdemr

[TenebraZero]

8k native , 60 fps, hdr 10+, hfr