ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) Hello there, I'm sorta fan of fighting games and already platted/100% all Guilty Gear games And of course I couldn't 100% for this game https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/1893-guilty-gear-xx-λ-core-plus-r because it was NEVER released in EU region. As you may know since Vita release day Sony didn't allow to run several accounts on one console, so if the game is not in your PS Store or has physical realease - that means you can't achieve any trophies in that game. Last week on our local russian trophy hunting website I saw someone actually getting trophies in that game. That was obvious done via CFW, and I was looking for how many people actually synced their CFW trophies (who are instantly banned on this site, if someone uses CFW in PS3 for unlocking trophies), and here are some results: A lot of EU players for GGXXAC+R https://psnprofiles.com/game-leaderboard/1893-guilty-gear-xx-λ-core-plus-r?page=222 Also some US only digital titles: https://psnprofiles.com/game-leaderboard/5921-dying-reborn?page=17 And etc, you can find by yourself (there are actually a lot of them especially in some JP/AS only games). You can say that there are tons of CFW users on PS3 and noone gets banned. Well, that's right, because there is no way to know at all how someone got his game via torrent or bought it, cause there is possibility to earn trophies in games, bought on other region accounts. But for Vita (and only for it), earning trophy in digital-only game never released in account's region - that's 100% proof of this user having a CFW. I wrote to MMDE and BlindMango and didn't get any answer, so I want to ask other forum users: What is YOUR opinion about this situation? Should they get banned, or flagged, or just let them be? Edited March 30, 2018 by ScooloV Voting poll 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadiochao Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I think it'd be nice to ban them. It sucks that there are a bunch of digital-only games and stacks I'm not able to get on my profile, so I'd rather nobody else was able to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRodriguez87 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 If it can be proven 100% that they cfw hack them, I don't see why they shouldn't be banned. Of course, proving it would be the tricky part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, RedRodriguez87 said: Of course, proving it would be the tricky part. No digital release in account's region or achieving trophies in different region stack (like with Dying Reborn US) - that would be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 If the game is digital only, there's a problem. If the game has a physical release, no CFW Vita required. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Of course I speak about digital-only titles The problem is that I can't even report them even if I wanted to, since I can't earn any trophies in that game legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScooloV said: Of course I speak about digital-only titles The problem is that I can't even report them even if I wanted to, since I can't earn any trophies in that game legit. I really wonder how many top 100 players have games like this on their profile? I remember I tried to check before, but a lot of work to figure out if they had some kind of physical release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesk8vaincra Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 isnt there a way to change your profile's region? Real question here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) There are plenty of people who earned let say 20 japanese vita novel in 1-2 weeks, which is really questionable since that games are really hard to get and are very expensive. Especially all of them in 1 week. But they can just buy them by giving their account login/password, so only way to catch it is with this region-locked digital titles. 1 minute ago, lesk8vaincra said: there a way to change your profile's region? Real question here Not on Sony consoles. You can't even change your PSN ID Edited March 28, 2018 by ScooloV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, lesk8vaincra said: isnt there a way to change your profile's region? Real question here No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, ScooloV said: There are plenty of people who earned let say 20 japanese vita novel in 1-2 weeks, which is really questionable since that games are really hard to get and are very expensive. Especially all of them in 1 week. You can buy them used for really cheap depending on the site you use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1rvine Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) On one hand, there's the argument that: "Illegitimately obtained games" doesn't equal "illegitimately earned trophies." On the other hand, using Sony banned software to earn otherwise unobtainable trophies not everyone has access to is a somewhat unfair advantage. Yes, it should be ban worthy / flaggable. Edited March 29, 2018 by B1rvine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, ScooloV said: There are plenty of people who earned let say 20 japanese vita novel in 1-2 weeks, which is really questionable since that games are really hard to get and are very expensive. Especially all of them in 1 week. What they tell me is that the people who do it play several copies at the same time, and then they just make the same choices in each, hence the similar timestamp at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said: depending on the site you use By cheap you mean 20$ or more for one cartridge? That's not cheap for a 30 minutes game which is really hard to sell back Edited March 28, 2018 by ScooloV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Yes I agree we should look into this as a whole community. Never thought about this, thanks for pointing it out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MMDE said: hence the similar timestamp at the same time. Just what I said, only possible way to catch them - is region-locked digital titles. But the other question is should they be only flagged, or banned? 1 minute ago, ERGOPROXY-DECAY said: Never thought about this, thanks for pointing it out!!! Me neither, until I found some guy earning GGXXAC+R trophies Edited March 28, 2018 by ScooloV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfBambam55 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) wait, hold on here...if team accounts are allowed then who's to say these are not team accounts from different regions?...and what about owning two or more vitae?...can you prove 100% that this is not the case?...and if so, how?... I currently own 4 ps3s...two are Japanese and two are us...if there was certain games that were region locked would you flag and ban me too?... Edited March 28, 2018 by ProfBambam55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1rvine Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ProfBambam55 said: wait, hold on here...if team accounts are allowed then who's to say these are not team accounts from different regions?...and what about owning two vitae?...can you prove 100% that this is not the case?...and if so, how?... Yes, your account is locked to a specific region, so for you, Canada. The Vita is locked to a single account per device, and the PSN store to that specific region. Ie, you could not access the Japanese Vita PSN store, etc. Edited March 28, 2018 by B1rvine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, ProfBambam55 said: team accounts from different regions That's technically impossible. Vita can use only one account at a time, and that account has access only to it's region PS Store, there is no way you can download game from, let say, russian store and play it with your canadian account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp-910724 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, B1rvine said: On one hand, there's the argument that: "Illegitimately obtained games" doesn't equal "illegitimately earned trophies." My stance is, yes, it should be ban worthy / flaggable. At the end of the day, these players have potential to earn more points on their scorecard with games not everyone will have access to, which gives them an unfair advantage. IMO this is the opposite of this. The NA store has a lot of digital Vita titles not available to the rest of the world. If every Vita title is able to be gotten by everyone no matter what region their account is surely that creates a more level playing field than the current one? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meterano7 Posted March 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2018 Why would you care how they got your games? As long as the trophies are earned legitimately, there is no reason to ban them. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooloV Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, meterano7 said: trophies are earned legitimately They are not. By using CFW they violate Sony rules, and also this leaderboard rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuukiyun Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Maybe there is a way to have multiple accounts on PS Vita now? Wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gommes_ Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, meterano7 said: Why would you care how they got your games? As long as the trophies are earned legitimately, there is no reason to ban them. How it was mentioned before: Like this you can obtain trophies you wouldn't get otherwise and stack games you normally couldn't. Or just think about games that autopop trophies for another system, as long as you have the (illegally purchased) version of the vita game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfBambam55 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, ScooloV said: That's technically impossible. Vita can use only one account at a time, and that account has access only to it's region PS Store, there is no way you can download game from, let say, russian store and play it with your canadian account. I see, so how does the system work to obtain these games on their region-locked account?...nvm I'll google it...curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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