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What on earth is this about? I don't understand the allegation. Is this flag even for the right account? What is "too fast" about taking 10 months, 3 days to complete?

 

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Reason: End game trophy "Exit Stage Right" popped after two game completions. Hostages are out of order.

 

Obviously I'm not competing for leaderboard status, but since I'm apparently being accused of "cheating", I'd like to know on what grounds.

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You got the unmissable last trophy of the campaign after the trophy for completing the new game and new game plus 

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Well, i think that the mixed hostages order can be explained if they were done in NG+.I remember doing them in mixed order as well since i had all the riddles collected from NG.But Exit Stage Right after Perfect Knight, means you completed the game twice and it glitched both times

 

EDIT. I'm not 100% sure for the hostages.Maybe i did them in order but in fast succession and i'm confused.Still the main problem is Exit Stage Right

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50 minutes ago, Kittet3 said:

You got the unmissable last trophy of the campaign after the trophy for completing the new game and new game plus 

 

I'm not sure if the trophy can glitch twice. I know @B1rvine discussed flagging people for unmissable story trophies only after they earned the New Game + trophy, because it would mean it took 2 playthroughs where the trophy glitched twice. The thing is, when I see this list all the most difficult trophies are still earned with fair time stamps and only the last story mission trophy is in the wrong order from what I saw. 

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21 minutes ago, Sergen said:

 

I'm not sure if the trophy can glitch twice. I know @B1rvine discussed flagging people for unmissable story trophies only after they earned the New Game + trophy, because it would mean it took 2 playthroughs where the trophy glitched twice. The thing is, when I see this list all the most difficult trophies are still earned with fair time stamps and only the last story mission trophy is in the wrong order from what I saw. 

 

It's not just one trophy that was skipped twice, another trophy was skipped once as well.

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Thanks everyone for responding - it's easier to see when I sort by date.

 

I guess the question is whether it's possible to start new game+ without getting that "unmissable" trophy. Or if the trophy can glitch and not pop. It has been a long time since I've played the game, and there was a rather long gap where I didn't play it.

13 May 2012 for "Broken Toys"... and the next trophy is 20th Jan 2013 for "Flawless Freeflow Fighter"

 

I started newgame+ after taking some time to learn the combo system, which made the early 2013 playthrough a lot more fun. I'm fairly certain that I had not completed all of the side quests/challenges before continuing in newgame+; one of the reasons I resumed with a new game was that I couldn't remember the story all that well and wanted it to be fresh.

 

Looking at the timestamps on the trophies, I can see why "Exit Stage Left" looks odd. I vaguely remember being concerned about the platinum not popping for me for the very reason that the trophy is ostensibly "unmissable" during a first playthrough, and being relieved when it finally did. I can't even recall the specifics of what action - a final cinematic? - made the trophy finally pop, and with it the platinum. It's even possible that reason for the initial hiatus was concern over going past a point of no return that would prevent the trophy from ever popping.

 

I hadn't even thought about it since until seeing this mysterious alert in the sidebar. After five years, I don't see how I could possibly produce definitive proof that none of the trophies awarded were due to actions outside the confines of the game. I wish I could remember exactly what action resulted in Perfect Knight - Day 2 popping.

 

I take pride in completing achievements on my own in the limited number of games that I have time for, so I won't be hiding this title. (I don't even have the Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 platinum because I'm too stubborn to twirl as Rachel. I realize this is not strictly relevant; I merely offer it as evidence that I'm not interested in credit for achievements I did not earn.)

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I don't think you can get the hostages out of order because one unlocks after another after you save them right?

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3 hours ago, sephiroth4424 said:

Well, i think that the mixed hostages order can be explained if they were done in NG+.I remember doing them in mixed order as well since i had all the riddles collected from NG.But Exit Stage Right after Perfect Knight, means you completed the game twice and it glitched both times

 

EDIT. I'm not 100% sure for the hostages.Maybe i did them in order but in fast succession and i'm confused.Still the main problem is Exit Stage Right

 

I see what you are saying, but if you think about it, since Exit Stage Left does not normally coincide with Perfect Knight, they would not necessarily coincide if the former glitched. Impossible to reproduce without somehow intentionally glitching the first trophy, then noting if the two trophies coincide after newgame+.

Again - memory is fuzzy, but it looks like whatever I did to continue happened 2/23/2013 when I got the Harley Quinn DLC.

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1 minute ago, truthseeker67 said:

 

I see what you are saying, but if you think about it, since Exit Stage Left does not normally coincide with Perfect Knight, they would not necessarily coincide if the former glitched. Impossible to reproduce without somehow intentionally glitching the first trophy, then noting if the two trophies coincide after newgame+.

Again - memory is fuzzy, but it looks like whatever I did to continue happened 2/23/2013 when I got the Harley Quinn DLC.

In your case though,in order to earn Exit Stage, you would have to play an additional playthrough (a third) just for it.You can't reload previous saves in BAC or replay a mission.Yes Exit Stage doesn't necessarily coincide with PK but it should with Twice Nightly, if it glitched the first time.Your case is weird because as Sergen wrote, the difficult trophies are in order (challenges)

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The problematic trophies are Puzzler and Exit Stage Right.

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The Riddler hostage order is... puzzling. I didn't notice anything odd about them at the time.

 

According to this guide, the hostage rescues unlock based on the number of riddles solved, not the number of hostages rescued, so is out-of-order execution necessarily a problem?


https://www.playstationtrophies.org/game/batman-arkham-city/guide/

 

The dates are when the trophies unlocked for me.

 

[initial playthrough context]

 

2012.05.05 - Conundrum

Rescue the first hostage from Riddler

(available after completing IQ Test)

 

[newgame+ context]

 

2013.01.23 - Intellectual

Rescue the fourth hostage from Riddler

(available after solving 240 riddles)

 

2013.01.23 - Brainteaser

Rescue the fifth hostage from Riddler
(available after solving 320 riddles)

 

2013.01.23 - Genius

Rescue all the hostages from Riddler

(available after solving 400 riddles; the guide indicates that Catwoman’s 40 may count toward this total—my copy of the game came with a DLC code for her, so she was part of the base game for me)

 

2013.01.24 - Mastermind

Rescue the second hostage from Riddler
(available after solving 80 riddles)

Ironically, this one I actually remember not figuring out initially because it didn’t occur to me to “cheat”.

 

2013.01.25 - Puzzler

Rescue the third hostage from Riddler

(available after solving 160 riddles)

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1 hour ago, truthseeker67 said:

2013.01.24 - Mastermind

Rescue the second hostage from Riddler
(available after solving 80 riddles)

Ironically, this one I actually remember not figuring out initially because it didn’t occur to me to “cheat”.

 

Just to be clear - I'm talking about using using an in-game mechanic for figuring out Riddler's trick.

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Found the truth yet?

 

Anyway, game has glitchy trophies. The reason for it being out of order is likely just that you missed in NG and got it in NG+.

 

Exit Stage Right should be earned when you beat the game I think, maybe it's not awarded in NG+ where you instead get Twice Nightly.

 

I'm just going to lift this, as I think it might just be glitches. If we find more games though, this one might be re-applied.

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