Stargazer2600 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) I know it's like beating a dead horse and EA isn't gonna listen to anyone but the BGC (Belgium Gaming Commission) has declared Lootboxes illegal. EA is responding by saying that this isn't fair cause the loot box system isn't anything like gambling. Instead, they compare it to buying a pack of magic cards, you get a random sort but you never lose your money. China is still holding back on a ruling but games which have loot boxes are being told to announce the drop rates of items that are contained in loot boxes. So yeah, loot boxes, I know some of you love em, some hate em. EA has said that they don't care and that any future games they have WILL have them so we will have to wait and see how that works out for them Edited May 12, 2018 by Stargazer2600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potent_Delusions Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 EA being the company that is really against their removal. There's the surprise of the century. They are a complete lost cause of a company, same with Activision. I like loot crates in MP as long as the items are cosmetic only and are not game-changing and don't contain pay-to-win items. I think COD WW2 does it perfectly: cosmetic weapon variants that make your gun look awesome. They are not game-changing in any way but they're very fun to go for and are satisfying to obtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowStar83x Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 EA will probably try to fight it. No surprise. Greedy ass bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conker Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 A typical EA response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYuriG Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, Stargazer2600 said: So yeah, loot boxes, I know some of you love em I'm sorry, these people really exist? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFHannibal Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 In my personal opinion, I don't think they should be declared illegal, people just need to keep themselves in check and/or seek professional help if they need it. But let's put that aside for a sec, every country has to start following this same idea or it's gonna amount to a whole lot of nothing. If it doesn't become a worldwide ban we're going to see something along the lines of what's happening with GDPR right now. That's something that is being implemented in Europe (and just see how fucking tiny Belgium is in that regard) and some games already close servers, etc. because they don't want to deal with it (also goes to show what the fuck are/were they doing with your info anyway that they can't adhere to some new privacy guidelines). Long story short, unless lootboxes become illegal worldwide it's not gonna happen. (and we're going to have to do a shit ton of importing when they don't sell their games in specific countries). Also knowing Belgium they're gonna do absolutely nothing about it, they usually do some research, draw a conclusion but are shit at implementing it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feral Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 They'll listen if it ends up costing them money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-Philippe Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Feral said: They'll listen if it ends up costing them money. They will probably have some countries where you can't buy the lootbox. They won't give it to you for free so you will just have to play in eternal disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalChaos72 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 I'd love to see this company boycotted. Would love to see their reaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Layla Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Stargazer2600 said: EA has said that they don't care and that any future games they have WILL have them so we will have to wait and see how that works out for them This is true as saying that single player in the future will end! EA is like konami, a bunch of cowards and money freaks. belgium did the right choice, i wish i could see other countries doing the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadiantFlamberge Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Loot boxes should not be randomized if you're paying real money for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer2600 Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, TheYuriG said: I'm sorry, these people really exist? Surprisingly yes. Well they are rare I have met people That actually like loot boxes. Edited May 12, 2018 by Stargazer2600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) I'm sure there aren't many people who "like" lootboxes. Maybe they like the concept of loot grinding and mystery boxes (which has an allure of its own). No one likes spending money though, if they had a choice they'd probably prefer it be kept to in-game currencies. More likely there are probably a fair number who are indifferent to them... since despite the hysteria, most games have them as optional and actually aren't broken as a result of them. But I can imagine for many of the people who scream the loudest against them, even being vocally indifferent is viewed as being "a part of the problem". Which is no different than "liking" them. As for the OP, I'm shocked that EA doesn't care. /sarcasm I kind of appreciate it though, since I'm petty enough to want to see them stick it to the crying, sniveling masses who conduct themselves so poorly they don't deserve good things to happen them, even if they're technically right about this. There's no good resolution here. If lootboxes, microtransactions and real money markets become more popular... that's bad for the industry and for the consumer. If the kids of the internet scraping at the bottom of the barrel for excuses to hate everything start getting their way, it only empowers them to make even bigger stinks about less deserving problems because it works... and the shit-cycle that is the gaming community of late will never even itself out. Edited May 14, 2018 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extratenzy Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) On 5/12/2018 at 6:12 PM, Potent_Delusions said: They are a complete lost cause of a company, same with Activision. at least Activision keeps their word for future content, improvements and bug fixes Take at look at Star Wars Battlefront II now EA is losing quality in making games more and more... all they care about now is making a game with no support, cash grab it and then repeat. my hopes are now low for all the upcoming EA games. Edited May 14, 2018 by SniperEliteDido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durandal Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 On 5/12/2018 at 6:01 PM, TheYuriG said: I'm sorry, these people really exist? Unfortunately they do, and people spend a shitload of money for them. In fact these things and micro transactions in games are the biggest income for these companies today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honor_Hand Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 EA will continue to do this as long as they see a market for it. As long as there are people that are willing to throw away their money into this kind of stuff, they will always include it in order to maximize their profits, even if it tarnishes their already tarnished reputation it seems. I'm no one to be telling other people how to spend their money but I think gambling it away to obtain an advantage in an online game is kinda dumb. While it is nice that there are some efforts being made in order to stop these kinds of business practices, I'm not sure that a ban or regulation from a government should be needed to stop or control this. Then again, from where I come from, actions such as "bans" and "regulations" have a much darker origin and usually end up making things worse than they already are. EA should stop following this kind of business model but the people also need to smarten up and check the kind of stuff they are supporting with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Syzygy Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Dreakon13 said: even being vocally indifferent is viewed as being "a part of the problem". Which is no different than "liking" them. That makes sense, since companies such as EA can use people being indifferent as a defence. Granted a defence that people such as you and me wouldn't see as strong, but one that the mainstream or the authorities with the power to actually do something could be fooled by (I know it sounds improbable, but this happens). When people say that (at least if they're thinking straight) it's not them accusing you of liking the practice, it's them saying you speaking your indifference is making the battle against the practice harder. Wouldn't it make more sense for those indifferent to, maybe, not speak their opinion? Since they openly admit they don't even have an opinion? It would make the battle easier and save a lot more time. Edited May 14, 2018 by Crispy78923 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) EDIT: Long story short... I will continue to speak my opinions, taking each situation on a case by case basis because I have no overwhelming feelings one way or another clouding my judgement. I don't care about making "the battle" easier for the writhing internet collective. I think the (vocal) gaming community AND the AAA industry are two different shades of ugly right now... neither deserve support. Though I think what we know as AAA gaming is quickly forcing itself into irrelevancy regardless of whether we kill it or it kills itself. Edited May 15, 2018 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShonenCat Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Hey, Electronic Arts! Here is a grand idea, try making a good honest product for once. Quick shaking every nickel and dime out of every average gamer's pocket. Is it not enough people buy your games for $60 on top of $30+ season passes? You'll never see me buying one of your shady virtual casinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Syzygy Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Dreakon13 said: I think the (vocal) gaming community AND the AAA industry are two different shades of ugly right now... neither deserve support. So, you're saying any vocal gamer is a "shade of ugly"? That's still ridiculously generalizing and reductionist. Could you at least help your case by explaining why you have such a cynical view of gamers who speak their mind? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durandal Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Crispy78923 said: Wouldn't it make more sense for those indifferent to, maybe, not speak their opinion? Since they openly admit they don't even have an opinion? It would make the battle easier and save a lot more time. Not really, because even being indifferent about something and saying it means you voiced your opinion. It's essentially a neutral position and being neutral is still a valid opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Syzygy Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Durandal said: Not really, because even being indifferent about something and saying it means you voiced your opinion. It's essentially a neutral position and being neutral is still a valid opinion. Perhaps, honestly, it's hard to tell. I lean towards it not being so, but I'm not certain. Edited May 15, 2018 by Crispy78923 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Crispy78923 said: So, you're saying any vocal gamer is a "shade of ugly"? That's still ridiculously generalizing and reductionist. Could you at least help your case by explaining why you have such a cynical view of gamers who speak their mind? Because unfortunately I've spent more than 5 minutes perusing the Steam forums and any comment section on any gaming site ever. And for good measure... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gamers+and+death+threats Besides, it's no different than "generalizing" that all AAA games are a shade of ugly (which unsurprisingly you don't seem to have a problem with ?). We both know there's good and bad cases of AAA releases, and the bad cases speak louder than the good ones... so to speak. Edited May 15, 2018 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevengeancePrime Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I understand their comparison to card packs, however what they don't seem to understand is that they try to lock content away and provide advantages to players that buy loot boxes, so the comparison falls flat. Having games provide rarities of loot drops would be a step in the right direction because I doubt loot boxes are going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxie_M0us3 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) They can shove their lootboxes up to their a**! You’re the absolute worst! Edited May 16, 2018 by Maxie Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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