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dokkanexpert's Dispute

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1 minute ago, dokkanexpert said:

 

 

Goddamn, all of you are so quick to judge and jump down my throat. ITS NOT CHEATING IF THE VITA ACCOUNT WAS MINE!

 

Whether you personally regard it as cheating or not is up to your judgement, but it's definitely against the leaderboard rules of this site.

 

I don't know what else to tell you - you outright admitted you broke the rules of this site by using a save from another PSN account to earn trophies on your current account.

 

I'm also pretty sure you couldn't download a cloud save to earn trophies on a different PSN account, as the save would be associated with the other PSN account. Unless you (or someone you asked to on your behalf) re-signed the save. Which is also against the leaderboard rules. Just saying.

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Just now, dokkanexpert said:

 

Ok, you CLEARLY are having a harder time than everyone else on graspiing this.... (1) I bought the Vita (2) I lost the Vita (3) Vita Account = MINE.

If the account you have on Vita is not "dokkanexpert" then it is not the same account.

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1 minute ago, dokkanexpert said:

 

Ok, you CLEARLY are having a harder time than everyone else on graspiing this.... (1) I bought the Vita (2) I lost the Vita (3) Vita Account = MINE.

but was the account you are using now linked to the vita? if not that is cheating and i will assume your flags will remain.

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11 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

the VITA account is not associated with my @dokkanexpert account. I had a vita long before I knew about this site or became a trophy hunter. Also, as PAYMENT for doing the sync, I let them keep that account since it had some really good games on it.

 

P.S. Also, I cant transfer trophies from @VitaBoy666 to @dokkanexpert. I don't even own the account anymore.

 

I have another account with 30+ platinums on it. Just because I legit did all the games on there I can't pull the saves and copy them to this account.

 

1. It creates Impossible time stamps

2. Everyone and their dog can say it was from their second account and then "magically" lost it

 

 

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4 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

 

Ok, you CLEARLY are having a harder time than everyone else on graspiing this.... (1) I bought the Vita (2) I lost the Vita (3) Vita Account = MINE.

It doesn't matter. You can't transfer progress between accounts. You can't upload to the cloud a save from account 1 and have it loaded in account 2. It doesn't work, the save won't ever load.
But even if it did, whatever you complete in the current account, you can only progress on that account because completing games on one account and then transfering to another account is considered cheating.

 

From the WHAT CONSTITUTES A FLAG thread:

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  • Using a save file to auto-unlock trophies - If you use an external save file to auto-unlock trophies or advance you further into the game and the impossibility of normal circumstance can be proven via the timestamps, it's flaggable. This includes using your own save file to unlock trophies at an impossible time frame, be careful with this, always sync your trophies, and do not use your save file to earn trophies impossibly out of order.
  • Cross-save games without an original list - If a game supports the cross-save function, and all lists for that game are auto-popped without there being an original list which has feasible timestamps, then all cross-save lists for that game can be flagged.

 

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Ìm really interested to see how the conversation between the OP and MMDE goes, especially after their outburst earlier. Either way it's bending the rules to a degree regardless and I don't think it will really go that well, especially after what Taz has just posted. 

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2 hours ago, BeautifulTorment said:

You've repeatedly stated that the account you earned the trophies with initially was not your dokkanexpert account. You somehow used this save, from a different psn account, to auto pop 5 lists on your new account?

 

This is cheating. It is plain as day. 

 

Either that, or you are not conveying your message adequately. Try to calm down and think before you type.

 

 

You are right and thank you. I've taken a breather, so let's give this an explanation:

 

In the other posts above, "@VitaBoy666" represents my old Vita account. It's just a "placeholder" But I'll get back to that. I wanna time skip a little bit.

When I got my ps4 nearly a year ago, I didn't associate my old vita account with this one because I got it for strictly DRAGON BALL FIGHTERZ so it was important to me that I registered the PSN name "@dokkanexpert".

This is because I'm very well known and big in a mobile game called DRAGON BALL Z: DOKKAN BATTLE. So as a youtube streamer, twitch streamer, instagram/twitter name even, I was known as @dokkanexpert (DOKKAN battle -- get it??).

So it was very important to me that I be known as DOKKANEXPERT on FighterZ so my streamer friends would need to know that I'm the same person they met or talked with or whatever, they needed to know that the person on PS4 was "me" so it was very important that I get this name.

Until FighterZ came out on January 26, I used gamefly's service to get pretty much any game I could... Hitman, Metal Gear, Attack on Titan, it was pretty much up to gamefly what I got sent. So *any* game i got, i played.

This explains why I have a backlog of games with only a few trophies. Cause trophies I didn't know (at the time) that once you got a trophy for a game that you couldn't remove it. I also did not know this site existed nor did I ever hear the term "trophy hunter". Now moving forward:

When I played SS on vita, I played it cause I enjoyed music, level building and puzzles and because I enjoyed that game so much  I *had* to read guides, watched videos on my phone, did all I could to make sure I achieved *EVERYTHING* in that game. And everytime I achieved something I was struggling on, that "Trophy" sound was AMAAZING. Unfortunately, I LOST that Vita. Not the account, the console. When I found out *HERE* earlier this week that Sound Shapes can be stacked a shitload of times but only before their servers closed and it had to be done by the 15th, I *had* to try.

So on the 16th (after trying to remember all week) I finally figured out the email/password. So I made a status message HERE asking someone to check the Sound Shape servers and someone replied they were still up. So I contacted a friend I had been talking to earlier that week and asked them to do me a favor. I started losing his interest until I heard on the 16th the servers were still up, so in desperation I offered my entire VITA account with all the games in exchange for helping me get the stacks. So "@VitaBoy666" (not the real name) is a real account. *I* however did not know how to properly do it. So on my ps4 account, i changed my password to something else and removed 2 factor authentication and gave him my ps4 account.

I asked my friend if he could transfer the save from my Vita to my PS3 and everything worked successfully.

So I let him keep my VITA account and games (it was 1 star or 2 star account anyways) in exchange for his help. And help he did! There are many people on this site, if need be, who can confirm that I asked many times if what I was doing was legit. And I was told it was legit. My concern was people seeing 5 stacks in a row with low play time and reporting it (which I was 100% to assume *glares at Tazdevilz1986*). But I was assured by people that with Sound Shapes it was ok due to the fact of it having the cloud syncing feature. So after getting confirmation from others that I could sync up sound shapes, I did that. However, what I did not know or "know how" to do is transfer the original platinum from my old vita PSN to my current PSN. Unfortunately, people work, have lives, etc etc. So I was not able to figure out how to get to keep my Vita platinum, which was also special to me cause it was my "official" and "first-time ever" Platinum.

Now I've done all I could with this.. have spent enough time on this topic. I've explained myself as throughly as possible.


If others still cannot "process" this information or have questions, you can message me 'cause I'm gonna take advantage of my premium membership and LOCK this thread, especially since I've had the final word and explained enough detail, too much if you ask me.

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Posted (edited)

@dokkanexpert Since you are clearly not done with your dispute, I've reopened it for you, so you can vent in the proper forum section.

 

Edit: I will discuss any concerns you have, but I do remember already discussing this in a private message here with you, where we agreed it "sucked you accidentally cheated" but you accepted responsibility and failure to acknowledge the rules and acknowledged you shouldn't be on the leaderboards.

 

1 hour ago, dokkanexpert said:
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Posted (edited)

6 months on from the original 'dispute' and the fun is about to start all over again?

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@dokkanexpert How was you able to load a save created on one profile to your current account?

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Posted (edited)

I don't understand why you are still angry about this let alone posting about it in such an obscure thread. It was you that wasn't getting the point being made in the first place which was the syncing of saves wasn't a problem or how quick they auto pop but how you apparently used a vita cloud save for a profile not linked in any way with your current account to pop plats on said account. Also some other points:

 

•it doesn't matter if you (*i*) didn't do it, you are responsible for what happens on your account.

•what is with the blackmail talk, who is blackmailing you about what?

•It would effect rank cause it would give you extra points moving the person and persons below you. 

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@B1rvine, sorry to ping you, but honest question, why is this even being re-opened? Savefile from Account A was used to pop trophies onto Account B, this is a violation of the Leaderboard rules under savefile usage even if OP owns both accounts. OP admitted to using the savefiles in such a manner and recognized that is was a violation, then hid the games. At this point it is just a person feeling targeted due to their own ignorance of how the Leaderboard rules work on this site.

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On 10/18/2018 at 0:17 PM, Xillia said:

If the account you have on Vita is not "dokkanexpert" then it is not the same account.

 

What does that mean? I use to go by many names. I change my username every so often so what's the harm in that? I'm currently using "TrophyHunterTyler" as my new name as "dokkanexpert" was pretty much to claim the name to spite someone else..

 

The account doesn't need to be my username. As long as the name & account info are linked to me then it is mine.

 

Besides, I don't know why all this has started up again.

 

 

Everyone just please leave me alone.

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36 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

 

What does that mean? I use to go by many names. I change my username every so often so what's the harm in that? I'm currently using "TrophyHunterTyler" as my new name as "dokkanexpert" was pretty much to claim the name to spite someone else..

 

The account doesn't need to be my username. As long as the name & account info are linked to me then it is mine.

 

Besides, I don't know why all this has started up again.

 

 

Everyone just please leave me alone.

I'm sure they would if you didn't keep bringing up the flags

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2 minutes ago, Havok_Knight said:

@B1rvine, sorry to ping you, but honest question, why is this even being re-opened? Savefile from Account A was used to pop trophies onto Account B, this is a violation of the Leaderboard rules under savefile usage even if OP owns both accounts. OP admitted to using the savefiles in such a manner and recognized that is was a violation, then hid the games. At this point it is just a person feeling targeted due to their own ignorance of how the Leaderboard rules work on this site.

 

You are actually correct. I do not know why this is being reopened either. Maybe what I wrote early this morning but I didn't ping anyone so I honestly didn't think it would be read. I was just venting.

 

But you're forgetting something and so is everyone else...

 

 

YES. I FUCKED UP! I AM SORRY! I WAS NEW TO THIS SITE, I DID NOT READ THE RULES, I TRUSTED PEOPLES WORD HERE. I THOUGHT WHAT I WAS BEING TOLD WAS NOT AGAINST ANY RULES. SERIOUSLY... Please go look at my Status updates BEFORE this happened. 

 

Do me that much at least. People kept replying to my status updates about the Sound Shapes servers being shut down and I repeatedly ASKED MANY, MANY TIMES what the rules were. Someone private messaged me more info & I took them at their word. Yes.. shame on me. I failed to trust my gut & listened and believed. Then I got screwed over (which I don't wanna talk about) so yes, I deserve a strike because I believed people's word instead of reading the fine print. Yes, I am guilty!

 

Does that deserve 5 strikes???? Noooooooo!!!!!

 

I don't deserve to be completely off leaderboards for it. And btw, I hid the trophies AFTER I got the strikes. I did that because I felt I didn't deserve them to shoe on my profile & I am a little hazy on the details but I am pretty sure I read somewhere if a game is flagged you have to hide them.

 

I don't hide them on other Trophy sites cus the Admins have emailed me (not pm actual emails) asking me to describe to them in great deal everything that happened. I did that and they said they believe me. It's really a matter of trust.

 

I was NOT trying to violate any rules, gain an advantage, make my profile look better or anything that was even about psnp. Truth and honesty... I had no goddamn money & from what I was told, I would get $10 from Sony Rewards & I actually got $20 for Red Dead Redemption 2.

 

In hindsight, I wish I could take it back. I was on a lot of antidepressants (even antipsychotics) at the time & was suffering very badly... I don't wanna talk about that but I promise I wasn't trying to do anything wrong.

 

I get 5 strikes for 1 game and that is fair??? For being stupid and ignorant that is how I am punished? Permanent removal from leaderboards for the rest of my life??? That isn't exactly fair and one of the mods said he felt the same way.

 

Ya know, I don't know why this is such a big deal anyways. I have made many enemies here simply because of my anti-cheating posts.

 

 

See, you guys say using a script that Autobets for you until you get a 21 while you watch a movie is NOT cheating (red dead 2).

 

You guys say earning a trophy by acting like a Veteran then switching to Recruit difficulty at a last checkpoint is NOT cheating (CODMWRM).

 

You guys also allow Conan Exiles to be autopopped in 45 minutes thru an admin debug panel.

 

But see, it's a conundrum.

You guys say one thing is not cheating because you cover the word with "glitch". Well lemme ask you, how did the people who discover these so-called "glitches" actually discover them?

Did they accidently exit out super fast & when they went back in and figured out they could switch the difficulty? No. 

They went thru lines of codes or PURPOSELY looked and found a way to CHEAT and get the trophy.

 

Those people have a shiny Silver Trophy & Platinum to show off & say, "hey guys, I beat the game on Veteran difficulty!". But you didn't. You resorted to a video that gave explicit instructions on how to cheat and get a trophy that you did NOT legitimately earn. 

 

Alot of you did NOT earn the Veteran Trophy in the COD 3 Remaster. Why the hell aren't they flagged?

 

Why is everyone autopopping ibaddriveri's video shows how to cheat. They were discussing him in a Trophy Hunter Community on PS4. And nobody is allowed to be in that community if they did Conan, or use these glitches. Because these glitches are just a rephrase for cheating.

 

A glitch is when something does something it isn't suppose to do.

Cheating is defined as gaining an advantage or doing something you did not earn.

 

So how is cheating defined here? Pretty much as long as the word "glitch" is in front of it than its not cheating. 

 

I sat for hours and earned my Gambler Trophy.

I made it thru Veteran difficulty and earned my Trophy.

A lot of you can't say that. Why? Because it's a lie.

A lot of people here have purposely CHEATED in a game using exploits, scripts, methods that gave them a Trophy that they did NOT legit earn.

 

And if someone came out with a script that makes your Fighter auto fight for you to earn zenni in Dragon Ball FighterZ and get the Gold 20,000,000 zenni Trophy, you guys would be like "omg thank you sooooo much!!" 

 But no matter how much it is defended against that is cheating. So again I ask, do I deserve to be off leaderboards for life???  No. Thousands of people here should be off leaderboards for blantenly cheating. Willfully doing it.

 

I didn't do that.

I asked and asked and asked if what I was gonna do in Sound Shapes broke any rules and I was told NO. I was misinformed. I get it tho. You guys think I should be punished & I suppose I deserve it for not reading it for myself or directly asking an Admin or Mod. 

 

But I don't deserve 5 strikes for it. I think one or even 2 is acceptable. I think I should be allowed a chance to be on leaderboards.

I really hate having to screenshot from other trophy sites when I make leaderboard.

Showing off a trophy from this site would be nice. But I cannot do that and I don't think that is fair. Take into account everything I said above about other the other games. They are on leaderboards but they did not legit earn those trophies. They thought the game was crap & didn't deserve hours of play or it was "too hard" & found an advantage that gave them a Trophy and now they get to say on their profile "Hey everybody, I beat this on that difficulty" but it's a LIE. 

 

They resorted to cheating and just because its called a glitch doesn't mean it is a glitch. Cus it may be a glitch but it's still cheating.

 

But you'll think what you want. I hope I wasn't rude in any way, I don't think I was. Besides, if you feel strongly about me being off leaderboards, you don't have anything to worry about. The mods won't change it anyways.

 

Like I said above. This site has very few people who believe the same I do.

I see people calling out the scripters and glitchers and calling them cheats or saying to earn it legit but then he gets pounded on by a bunch you guys. So I stay out of it. When I say something like I.did a few weeks ago "THIS IS CHEATING" I get recked on for it.

 

So it is what it is bro. Thousands of people on this website are straight up CHEATERS who couldn't hack it so they used an alternative method to achieve a trophy. And I 100% guarantee you if there was NO Trophy behind it people would NOT bother with it.

 

So do I deserve to have 5 strikes and be banned for life?? No.

Are the thousands of people who knowingly cheated for their trophy gonna be flagged or off leaderboards? Nope!

 

Are things gonna change? Nope.

 

That's all I have to say about this.

 

P.S. Legit, not hiding anything. I know people can see a link to go to my hidden trophies, again, not trying to hide anything. I was told to hide them because they were flagged.

 

If I have been misinformed please let me know and I will unhide them. Just hid them cus I was told that.

 

Anyways, that is all.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

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While I do think it sucks, you do deserve all 5 flags, the original version you used to autopop the other versions wasn't legit, which makes every autopop of yours not legit either

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1 hour ago, SnowxSakura said:

I'm sure they would if you didn't keep bringing up the flags

 

I'm not. I didn't bring this thread up or revive it someone else did. Besides, I have every right to say whatever I want and when I want. I legit fought for that right.

 

And I was talking to you. Everyone is you. You leave me alone. I was just trying to be polite about it. But since you came at me with this dumbass remark, you can leave me alone. Just you.

Just now, SnowxSakura said:

While I do think it sucks, you do deserve all 5 flags, the original version you used to autopop the other versions wasn't legit, which makes every autopop of yours not legit either

 

The original version was from a Vita account that I owned and like I said in other posts a year ago, I DID NOT POP THEM!! I didn't even know HOW to do it. I was a goddamn newbie at the time.

 

And if you honestly think I should be banned for life over something so fucking stupid then don't talk to me ever again. You're not cool at all.

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Posted (edited)

@dokkanexpert, it's cheating as defined by the rules of this specific website leaderboard, whereas your examples given likely aren't. Just to clarify: it doesnt matter what you or I consider to be cheating, only what the site creator does.

 

Is it a harsh punishment for (I'm assuming) a first offense? In my opinion, probably. Does my opinion on this  matter? Probably not.  Maybe it'll get whitelisted one day with the hacked lobbies autopops as a chunk of those weren't the players' fault/intent on either.

 

Save yourself the recurring headache and just walk away from this thread. 

 

Someone please re-close this

 

Edit - after reading below post-

By "walk away from this thread", I should also include to stop posting about the decision in other places. You can accept it and move on, or leave the website/forums if it bothers you that much

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14 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

See, you guys say using a script that Autobets for you until you get a 21 while you watch a movie is NOT cheating (red dead 2).

 

You guys say earning a trophy by acting like a Veteran then switching to Recruit difficulty at a last checkpoint is NOT cheating (CODMWRM).

 

You guys also allow Conan Exiles to be autopopped in 45 minutes thru an admin debug panel.

These are all features within the game and are neither glitches nor hacks.

 

20 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

I get 5 strikes for 1 game and that is fair??? For being stupid and ignorant that is how I am punished? Permanent removal from leaderboards for the rest of my life??? That isn't exactly fair and one of the mods said he felt the same way.

What you did was savefile usage to pop five different trophy lists, thus giving you five completed games illegitimately, so yes, all of those flags are valid even though it is the same game and you owned two profiles at the time.

 

22 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

Alot of you did NOT earn the Veteran Trophy in the COD 3 Remaster. Why the hell aren't they flagged?

There is no COD 3 Remaster that has trophies, unless you are referring to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare or for some reason Call of Duty Classic. And if someone notices an ill-gotten trophy they can report it if they have played the game, as that is how the flag system works.

 

27 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

And if someone came out with a script that makes your Fighter auto fight for you to earn zenni in Dragon Ball FighterZ and get the Gold 20,000,000 zenni Trophy, you guys would be like "omg thank you sooooo much!!" 

You can do this already, it involves taking a turbo controller, remapping the buttons and setting up the game to autofight and continue.

 

For reference: 

 

29 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

So do I deserve to have 5 strikes and be banned for life?? No.

Are the thousands of people who knowingly cheated for their trophy gonna be flagged or off leaderboards? Nope!

Are all cheaters caught? No, but everyone that does slips eventually and will catch a flag for it when the time comes. If you check the Leaderboards tab, there is an actual counter that tells you how many cheaters have been removed.

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30 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

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What a beast of a post. You've spent a bit of time thinking about this in the past six months, I guess. I don't blame you. I think these types of flags are the worst the site hands out. They aren't at all reflective of what you did. They only exist to allow certain members to get their fix of blood before moving on to the next person.

 

22 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

While I do think it sucks, you do deserve all 5 flags, the original version you used to autopop the other versions wasn't legit, which makes every autopop of yours not legit either

 

Can you explain why one instance of cheating should result in 5 flags and removal from the leaderboards? No action performed in the later lists was cheating. From starting the game, selecting the cross save option, syncing the save. All in-game actions normally allowed by the site. It's only against the rules because they decided to add this hack-job of a rule that allows the flagging team to ignore the leniency limit of 3 flags. What is the purpose of that limit if a single mistake/glitch can remove take someone from the leaderboards?

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43 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

Does that deserve 5 strikes???? Noooooooo!!!!!

 

If one person plays 5 stacks, and another person plays 1 stack, should they both have an equal trophy count and game count displayed? You're trying to get the best of both worlds. Count the extra score, but not the extra flagging ability otherwise. Doesn't work like that.

 

47 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

See, you guys say using a script that Autobets for you until you get a 21 while you watch a movie is NOT cheating (red dead 2).

 

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here, but I'm assuming you're talking about the phone PSN App's ability to send commands?  My response to that is, would a turbo controller be considered cheating? Same concept.

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

A lot of you did NOT earn the Veteran Trophy in the COD 3 Remaster. Why the hell aren't they flagged?

 

There's a fine line between "earning the trophy" vs "beating Veteran." 

 

47 minutes ago, dokkanexpert said:

Glitches

 

Glitches can happen by random nature. Everyone 

 

 

I get it, you define cheating in a specific way. You could always decide to play by the rules we all do, and join in on glitches, etc.  Or you can beat it "your" way, and know you're better at the game than most others.

 

But ultimately, nobody here should be able to impose their rules on the rest of us, like you're trying to do. And that's because PSNP already defined these rules. I'll even level with you. If I was in charge of my own website trophy leaderboard, I'd probably define cheating differently than what is listed here.  But we are here, and we all follow the same rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, mekktor said:

Can you explain why one instance of cheating should result in 5 flags and removal from the leaderboards? No action performed in the later lists was cheating. From starting the game, selecting the cross save option, syncing the save. All in-game actions normally allowed by the site. It's only against the rules because they decided to add this hack-job of a rule that allows the flagging team to ignore the leniency limit of 3 flags. What is the purpose of that limit if a single mistake/glitch can remove take someone from the leaderboards?

That one instance auto-popped five different trophy lists even though it was the same game. So they earned five whole lists illegitimately. And they had to go into each version individually to pop them, meaning they know beforehand what was going to happen. And remember it was savefile usage, even though they owned both accounts at the time, so it is a rule violation.

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14 minutes ago, mekktor said:

They only exist to allow certain members to get their fix of blood before moving on to the next person.

Hm. Can you back up this claim with some facts, please?

It’s a pretty bold statement about something you perceive to be in a certain way. I feel like there shpuld be some proof of that before you keep repeating those things.

 

17 minutes ago, mekktor said:

 

Can you explain why one instance of cheating should result in 5 flags and removal from the leaderboards? No action performed in the later lists was cheating. 

May I?

Everybody who completed Sound shapes legitimately got to up their trophy & platinum count FIVE times via the auto-pop function.

 

Everybody who completed Sound shapes zero times legitimately but still upped their trophy & platinum count 5 times cheated 5 times.

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Just now, Havok_Knight said:

That one instance auto-popped five different trophy lists even though it was the same game. So they earned five whole lists illegitimately. And they had to go into each version individually to pop them, meaning they know beforehand what was going to happen. And remember it was savefile usage, even though they owned both accounts at the time, so it is a rule violation.

 

I get that. I agree that none of the lists are legitimate. What I don't agree with is that a single act of cheating should be multiplied to 5 flags and used to remove someone from the leaderboards. What I'm suggesting as a solution is for all lists to be required to be hidden, but only a single flag counted towards leaderboard removal.

 

1 minute ago, hBLOXs said:

Hm. Can you back up this claim with some facts, please?

 

Nice reference, but no, this is clearly just my own opinion. I'm not trying to claim it as a fact.

 

1 minute ago, hBLOXs said:

May I?

Everybody who completed Sound shapes legitimately got to up their trophy & platinum count FIVE times via the auto-pop function.

Everybody who completed Sound shapes zero times legitimately but still upped their trophy & platinum count 5 times cheated 5 times.

 

Why should illegitimate platinum count be used to determine whether someone should be removed from the leaderboards? What even is the point of the leniency limit? I've heard it used to justify flags that were out of a user's control like online modders and unexplained glitches. And also for situations where maybe they didn't know better like unencrypted save file use many years ago. I have to take a guess here... if someone has a better idea then go ahead. If the goal is basically to give people the benefit of the doubt up until a certain point (3 flags) at which point we have to assume that cheating is widespread on the account, then how does this situation of one instance of cheating fit in with that? And if anyone wants to say there were multiple instances of cheating because of that damn "sound shapes" rule, well then I'm questioning why that rule should exist. 

 

Can someone just give an actual reason why someone who decided to cheat multiple games can remain on the leaderboards, but someone who makes a single decision that expands to multiple lists should be removed.

 

19 minutes ago, B1rvine said:

But ultimately, nobody here should be able to impose their rules on the rest of us, like you're trying to do. And that's because PSNP already defined these rules. I'll even level with you. If I was in charge of my own website trophy leaderboard, I'd probably define cheating differently than what is listed here.  But we are here, and we all follow the same rules.

 

Where do those rules come from if not from community expectations? What's wrong with @dokkanexpert voicing his opinions on the rules and trying to get support for rule changes?

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