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Hitting the breaking point...

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This one of those things where you just have to find the right balance for yourself. 

 

Some like easy trophies, UR trophies, playing for story only, etc. 

 

I started on the "playing for story" end then transitioned into caring a little about trophies then obsessively caring then right now post 100 plats, I'm easing into caring a only a little. 

 

There is no right or wrong answer and it's just finding out what excites you the most and what best suits your current lifestyle. 

 

Seems though that you have it figured out. :)

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Well super meat boy is very hard and that same thing happend to me while playing super monkey ball because while playing i was always thinking that the platinum is impossible and i cant make it but with presistence i blast through the levels and got the plat and that was the best felling ever! So no i dont want easy plats but challenging ones! Also ratchet and clank is a very easy platinum...

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This year I pretty much hit my breaking point with trophies. After I got my #150th platinum, the motivation began declining. I found myself getting to frustrated with games to the point where I wasn't enjoying them anymore so I had to stop, re-evaluate and decide to put my energy into enjoying games for what enjoyment I can get out of them. It isn't worth holes in the wall or almost breaking a controller. I'll play difficult games if they interest me but if I don't get the platinum, oh well. 

 

I have one life. I am not going to ruin it stressing out over the inability to beat harder games and get 100% completion. 

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5 minutes ago, Rantaro said:

It isn't worth holes in the wall

Hahahahaha quite literally with your case :awesome:

 

I'm so so sorry dude couldn't pass an opportunity like this hahaha :lol:.

 

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Just now, PooPooBlast said:

Hahahahaha quite literally with your case :awesome:

 

I'm so so sorry dude couldn't pass an opportunity like this hahaha :lol:.

 

I will NEVER live that down...It still hasn't been fixed yet :(

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Personally anyone that knows me knows that i'm an extremely patient person, so difficulty is not an issue for me. I know that's not the case for everyone but I simply just play games i'm interested in (which happens to be indie games with stupidly hard platinum trophies) and I honestly don't care about what I put on my account, if it appeals to me, i'll play it and if I like it, i'll get the platinum and on the rare chance that I can't complete something, I don't bother and move on. I've never considered myself a trophy hunter.. I play a game for fun, the extra challenge of getting a nice platinum trophy at the end of it is a bonus that doesn't detract from my experience with a game in any way in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, UlvenFenrir said:

Ive always liked challenges both in real life and in video games. I dont need to show anyone my skills or how patient i am. I do it because i love it. It brings me 10x more enjoyment than going through something that doesnt challenge me in the slighest.

 

take people who loves to climb and scale mountains in real life, some do it without safety gear...why? Probably because anything other than that would be boring to them.

 

alot of people underestimate themselves and give up before even trying...like *really* trying. Lifes too short to give up or not challenge yourself.

Life's gonna be even SHORTER for people who climb mountains without safety gear, when they lose their grip. :P Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

More to the point: I used to be fairly serious about trophies, but even then I never cared about leaderboards; it was always about my personal accomplishments. At this point in my life (I'm 38 and have two toddler kids), I care much less about trophies. I have never let trophies stop my from starting a game, and I have never used an alt profile to "trial" games (although I have used an alt profile as a "second player" for a few games, like Frozen Synapse on PS3). What has changed over time, is that I focus more and more on completing the story of a game to "finish" it, rather than going for 100%. For example, there was a time when I was bothered that Star Trek (PS3) wasn't 100%. Now, I couldn't care less and I know I will never go back to revisit it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't care at all about trophies though - I have one grindy trophy left in Fairy Fencer F, and I chip away at it a bit each week. I probably should have stopped playing it a long time ago though; the multiple ending trophies were more than enough.

 

Now I tend to continue playing a game as long as I'm still having fun, before moving on. I'm doing a lot of Blade sidequests in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 right now, even though I'm right before the final boss fight and could end the story anytime I want. I'm enjoying the backstory on those characters so it's fun for me. But once I finish that up, I'll finish the story and move on. I have no desire to go through and play New Game Plus.

 

My advice is, play games for enjoyment. If trophies make you happy, cool. If they start to feel like a second job, learn to stop caring about them as much. I know it's made me happier.

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6 hours ago, NamoPh said:

To the best of my knowledge, difficulty has not prevented me from playing a game so far. My Shadow Warrior, Revengeance and Dead Space 2 platinums are testament to that. And I fully intend to platinum Max Payne 3 and Catherine at some point and make their most difficult trophies milestones. The only game on my main account I have accepted that I am unlikely to ever complete is Cloudberry Kingdom, because seriously? F that game. But I digress. So yes, difficulty has not prevented me from playing a game I believed I would enjoy. What has prevented me from doing so is a completion time in the 100s of hours and above in the guide, because I know most of that will be tedious grinding. To this day I regret adding the PS3 version of Uncharted 3 to my profile, knowing that the PS4 version exists. But hindsight is always 20-20.

 

Cloudberry Kingdom along with I Am Bread and Crypt of the Necrodancer are games I will likely never finish. 

 

Necrodancer for one is deemed impossible for most of everyone who plays it. Which makes it all the more impressive when guys like Floriss complete it. 

 

I would of given up a long time ago on that. 

 

6 hours ago, PerryToxteth said:

 

  I suggest you mix it up a bit and participate in the Kill Your Completion event in November.  As someone who has self-diagnosed gaming OCD (B)), it has helped me care less about trophies and more about trying new games.  I'm sure like most gamers, you have quite a backlog, so it's nice to tackle that with a 3-day time limit. The games you like you will return to, the game you don't, will jusy slowly slide down your profile. We start next week so give it a try!

 

- Also, your comnents on the Super Meat Boy have provided good, albeit unintentional, comedic relief over the last year.  I still believe you can do it! 

 

My only problem with Kill Your Completion is the event only happens a few times a year. If it occurred every month, I will definitely sign up. 

 

Super Meat Boy was/has been an experience I don’t think is easily emulated in most other games. 

 

1 hour ago, UlvenFenrir said:

Ive always liked challenges both in real life and in video games. I dont need to show anyone my skills or how patient i am. I do it because i love it. It brings me 10x more enjoyment than going through something that doesnt challenge me in the slighest.

 

take people who loves to climb and scale mountains in real life, some do it without safety gear...why? Probably because anything other than that would be boring to them.

 

alot of people underestimate themselves and give up before even trying...like *really* trying. Lifes too short to give up or not challenge yourself.

 

I’m an easy going and pretty nice guy in real life. Personally I don’t like having a bunch of difficult challenges lobed at me especially when I can only tackle one at a time. 

 

Many years ago I took Calculus along with Chemistry and a PE class. Had to drop both Calculus and Chemistry because it was just too much. I don’t have the willpower to do Calculus or those higher level college science classes. Too many formulas, equations and problem solving for me to waste my time on. For those college kids who can do Calculus and beyond, good for them. That just isn’t my strong suit.

 

I barely passed Chemistry back when I was a high school kid, which is saying something. 

 

Just because you can overcome a challenge in one game doesn’t mean you can easily pass a challenge in another. 

 

I fully understand people when they give up a hard platinum and move on to a game that is easier. Street Fighter 4 is a game that is completely out of my league, mostly because I am terrible at fighters. Any hard rhythm beat game will likely be too difficult for me. 

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People should just play games they want to play and not worry how their profile looks in my honest opinion. 

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I discovered a secret while running an event a few months ago that I feel is worth sharing with the community...whether any of us like it or not and in spite of where we may stand on the leadeboards, every profile is perfect...so now we can move on without the need to justify or judge...pretty awesome, right?...i love gaming and hope everyone here does too...cheers...

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14 hours ago, Spaz said:

On the flip side, I find that purposely lowering your trophy average rarity to try to show off or be impressive is also pointless. I have found from experience that playing a whole bunch of difficult games puts a lot of stress on you, the pressure of trying to jump over the hurdle that seems to be set too high, and exposes you to panic attacks and nervous breakdowns.

I don't think that's correct. It just means you like hard games. I like them because of the after-completion feeling that you don't get with easy games. The pain does come with its rewards. My interest fluctuates naturally... during off times I play a bit less, I tend not to rush and it all works well. I'm always very excited to start anything hard. 

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Everyone else has pretty much hit the nail on the head already. I would really hate to see the "trophy hunting community" or whatever you want to call it, become toxic to the point that we are putting others down for not having enough ultra rares. That's just ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with trophies being a sort of competitive hobby, but games are supposed to be fun, a stress outlet, an escape, etc. Let's not lose that valuable part of it. Play what you want to play. Plat what you want to plat. Be proud of for what you want to be proud of.

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8 hours ago, starcrunch061 said:

 

I read this word a lot here nowadays. Is there really that much toxicity? Yes, there are people who hold opinions (sometimes too strongly for my taste). But this word seems to be bandied simply because one person disagrees with another. There's very little "git gud skrub" comments on this forum, and while plenty of people have proudly displayed one or more of these "useless" numbers, that's a far cry from being toxic.

 

Well I don't mean particularly this site, I mean in general I have had personally many people be toxic over my own completion percentage on various sites so I speak from my own experience.

 

If someone uses their own personal completion number to put down others with less, going as far as berating me because I own more games than I've finished, yes that's toxic.

 

If you are someone who is proud of 💯 completion by all means that's fine and dandy, but once you put others down and mock someone's profile and become judgemental it creates a very unhealthy image for that individual.

 

In a general sense that number at the end of the day is just a personal number, and nobody should have to feel like shit for not having 70%-90% completion ratio.

 

That is why I said what I said.l earlier, because that's happened to me often in various places not just here.

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I have a fairly low opinion of myself regarding my skill, so I've never really hit that breaking point in the sense that I'm getting angry, frustrated, because I never expected to platinum difficult games I have played such as MGS2 and Revengeance. That really opens up a whole new argument, is my attitude toward difficult games holding me back? Or am I being realistic? After all I have no problem playing games that take a long time to complete (Fallout 4, Skyrim, MGSV) so I should be able to take the time to practise until I can complete difficult games/trophies. Though I'm not convinced practising over and over, until I reach a point where I'm able to pull off difficult requirements is something I'd find enjoyable. That's something for me to consider. 

 

Looking over my profile I have a lot of games that'd be considered easy, or at least easy with a couple of difficult trophies in there (Assassin's Creed Revelations for example). That's a natural occurrence, the games I have are games I wanted to play regardless of difficulty. I'll scan a trophy list for missables but other than that trophies don't even come into it until at least I've finished the story/dicked around enough, that helps keep it fresh in that I'm finishing a game without knowing what the trophies are, so often when I have to play through a campaign a second time it's a completely different experience as I'm seeing new sides of the game, whether it's new storylines, choices, locations that I might've missed the first time round. 

 

I guess that's what it's about for me. Playing the game as I normally would, then going after trophies as a way of seeing everything there is to the game, whether it's easy or hard, whether I succeed or fail, I find my approach works best for me and makes gaming and trophy hunting a fun experience whatever happens. I've never had to deal with rage quitting, or burn out, maybe accepting that my ability is limited helps with that when I do play something that's beyond my current skill, or maybe I'm too hard on myself and I could do so such more. 

 

Reading over that I feel like I'll keep going as I always have done, but I really could do with a more positive outlook when I stumble across something difficult. That said I did just finish permadeath mode in No Man's Sky without using the taxi service and stayed in permadeath for two remaining trophies so maybe I've turned the corner without realizing it :lol:  

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@NekoRave  I get that. I have friends that never beat Legendary missions and I try my best to help out. If your just not doing anything it is a no-no. 

 

I used cheat codes before but the ones that doesn't break the game. For example, one of my favorite cheat codes is the one you change to an in-game character model on GTA 3 lol. I alwaya changed to a FIB to cause havic to get 5 starts with Grenade launchers in front of the precinct lol. Fun times xD

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6 minutes ago, syumisan said:

@NekoRave  I get that. I have friends that never beat Legendary missions and I try my best to help out. If your just not doing anything it is a no-no. 

 

I used cheat codes before but the ones that doesn't break the game. For example, one of my favorite cheat codes is the one you change to an in-game character model on GTA 3 lol. I alwaya changed to a FIB to cause havic to get 5 starts with Grenade launchers in front of the precinct lol. Fun times xD

You should run around and shout FBI OPEN UP! every time you steal a car. 😂

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1 minute ago, NekoRave said:

You should run around and shout FBI OPEN UP! every time you steal a car. 1f602.png

LOL. Another memory of that. I remember having about 4 stars and I was the FIB and walked right by them  they didn't do shit lol. So funny man xD

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7 minutes ago, FarSideOfSaturn said:

I have a fairly low opinion of myself regarding my skill, so I've never really hit that breaking point in the sense that I'm getting angry, frustrated, because I never expected to platinum difficult games I have played such as MGS2 and Revengeance. That really opens up a whole new argument, is my attitude toward difficult games holding me back? Or am I being realistic? After all I have no problem playing games that take a long time to complete (Fallout 4, Skyrim, MGSV) so I should be able to take the time to practise until I can complete difficult games/trophies. Though I'm not convinced practising over and over, until I reach a point where I'm able to pull off difficult requirements is something I'd find enjoyable. That's something for me to consider. 

 

Looking over my profile I have a lot of games that'd be considered easy, or at least easy with a couple of difficult trophies in there (Assassin's Creed Revelations for example). That's a natural occurrence, the games I have are games I wanted to play regardless of difficulty. I'll scan a trophy list for missables but other than that trophies don't even come into it until at least I've finished the story/dicked around enough, that helps keep it fresh in that I'm finishing a game without knowing what the trophies are, so often when I have to play through a campaign a second time it's a completely different experience as I'm seeing new sides of the game, whether it's new storylines, choices, locations that I might've missed the first time round. 

 

I guess that's what it's about for me. Playing the game as I normally would, then going after trophies as a way of seeing everything there is to the game, whether it's easy or hard, whether I succeed or fail, I find my approach works best for me and makes gaming and trophy hunting a fun experience whatever happens. I've never had to deal with rage quitting, or burn out, maybe accepting that my ability is limited helps with that when I do play something that's beyond my current skill, or maybe I'm too hard on myself and I could do so such more. 

 

Reading over that I feel like I'll keep going as I always have done, but I really could do with a more positive outlook when I stumble across something difficult. That said I did just finish permadeath mode in No Man's Sky legit and stayed in permadeath for two remaining trophies so maybe I've turned the corner without realizing it :lol:  

 

I never considered myself a skilled or talented gamer. But I do the very best I can, and if the game is very good, like Rogue Legacy and Velocity 2X, I push myself for that platinum even though I know both games are hard.

 

Personally I don't like those very long games simply because I get bored too quickly with them. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt was one of those rare exceptions because I consider that game to be a masterpiece of this generation. I spent around 135 hours playing that game, exploring most of everything the game had to offer including tons of side content that didn't count towards any trophies. I couldn't care less that so much of the game had no trophy attached to it, but the important thing is enjoying it. I loved every minute of The Witcher 3, and I wouldn't mind stacking the other two versions, both American and European.

 

Usually when I play a game that is story heavy, I only look at the possible missable trophies. When it comes to story I never read any of it until after it's over. This makes the game a lot more compelling and intriguing. If you look at story spoilers for say Spider-Man for the PS4, you are doing yourself a great disservice.

 

I have never officially rage quit on any game, but I've gotten pretty close. Super Meat Boy comes to mind because of how difficult that game is. Despite what some people say I still consider that game to have one of the most respectable platinums. It shows you persevered and did what most people could not. But I also completely understand that most people will never finish that game, and that's completely fine.

 

Admittedly, I think you should be proud of yourself for getting the permadeath trophies in No Man's Sky. I thought about starting it, but it just hasn't really intrigued me to really go for that platinum. Especially with all the bullshit and controversy surrounding the head guy and the company who made the game.

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2 minutes ago, syumisan said:

LOL. Another memory of that. I remember having about 4 stars and I was the FIB and walked right by them  they didn't do shit lol. So funny man xD

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I went close to the breaking point with Vanquish, I've put the game down for months before feeling like going back and working on that dreaded challenge 6. I have harder plats now, but that one almost broke my spirit back in the days.

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Well, I finally earned the platinum in Downwell.

 

This is the game that made me write this entire discussion. I was literally on the verge of giving up that game for good and try to make my points that much more clear.

 

But as I understand from a lot of you, some of you probably couldn't play a game like that and finish it. That's completely fine.

 

We may hit our breaking points, but holy shit does the feeling feel good when you finally, after what seems like an eternity, jump over that hurdle.

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Sometimes I don't enjoy the shit I play, however, seeing my name up the top of the leaderboards, I do like that. 

That's what I find fun in. Looking at my name climbing leaderboards. Also, there is a MASSIVE social aspect to the way I trophy hunt. I have multiple "friendship groups" and we all help each other out whilst becoming friends. 

So while I may not always enjoy it, there is a reason to keep coming back to it. Also, I find having a game to take a break from trophies is always nice to have to. For example, black Ops IIII has MP trophies, sure. But I enjoy playing the MP. 

On the whole UR/ Rare trophy thing... I don't care. Some games I won't touch but others, if I feel like I can do it, then I will go for it.

But that's just my take on the issue

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25 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Sometimes I don't enjoy the shit I play, however, seeing my name up the top of the leaderboards, I do like that. 

That's what I find fun in. Looking at my name climbing leaderboards. Also, there is a MASSIVE social aspect to the way I trophy hunt. I have multiple "friendship groups" and we all help each other out whilst becoming friends. 

So while I may not always enjoy it, there is a reason to keep coming back to it. Also, I find having a game to take a break from trophies is always nice to have to. For example, black Ops IIII has MP trophies, sure. But I enjoy playing the MP. 

On the whole UR/ Rare trophy thing... I don't care. Some games I won't touch but others, if I feel like I can do it, then I will go for it.

But that's just my take on the issue

 

Problem is since my account is American, I'm still rank 1,781. So there's no point in me trying to do anything on the leaderboards unless I happen to be from South America or in one of those countries like Greece or Spain.

 

I have however seen your account reviewed on KingSuperOne's channel so I guess there's that.

 

Certain games like Street Fighter V I will never touch, or some real difficult indie space shooter like Raiden V that is far out of my league. Platformers however I'm quite good at, even on those that have proven to be quite difficult, like Super Meat Boy.

 

I've taken numerous breaks from Super Meat Boy because otherwise that game would break me.

 

I don't go out of my way to get Ultra Rares or just a lot of Rares in general, as you can see from my profile. I play a lot of games that range from easy to medium, with a couple "hard" ones here and there. That's the best balance in my opinion.

 

Playing nothing but very difficult games to try to prove a point or try to show off would just leave me a broken mess.

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59 minutes ago, Spaz said:

 

Problem is since my account is American, I'm still rank 1,781. So there's no point in me trying to do anything on the leaderboards unless I happen to be from South America or in one of those countries like Greece or Spain.

 

I have however seen your account reviewed on KingSuperOne's channel so I guess there's that.

 

Certain games like Street Fighter V I will never touch, or some real difficult indie space shooter like Raiden V that is far out of my league. Platformers however I'm quite good at, even on those that have proven to be quite difficult, like Super Meat Boy.

 

I've taken numerous breaks from Super Meat Boy because otherwise that game would break me.

 

I don't go out of my way to get Ultra Rares or just a lot of Rares in general, as you can see from my profile. I play a lot of games that range from easy to medium, with a couple "hard" ones here and there. That's the best balance in my opinion.

 

Playing nothing but very difficult games to try to prove a point or try to show off would just leave me a broken mess.

Yeah, I get that. I am friends with a few people in the US top 50 and some of them play everyday and for numerous hours which isn't going to be plausible for everyone. Plus some play more than others. I get that and I understand that.

 

Haha, yes,  i remember that review. I don't consider myself popular by any means just because of that though. There are a few people who have noticed me here and there though :P

 

Yeah, I hate fighting games with a passion. That is why I will only do the easy ones (Tekken 7, Tag 2, Tekken Revolution, PS Allstars, Real boxing etc.) and never really go beyond that.

 

I like my UR's don't get me wrong, it's just that not everyone has to. They're impressive, sure, but it's not essential to have 100 ultra rare platinums. 

 

Basically what I want to get across is that you should play for what makes you happy. Me, leaderboard placement. For you? Who knows? Maybe you like competitive multiplayer, maybe you like your singleplayer experiences... whatever it maybe, don't let others thoughts bring you down and have others determine what you play. Play what you wanna play my dude! Enjoy gaming/trophies cause at the end of the day, that's what we're here to do, have fun and encourage each other to do the same!

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