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I bought this game for west Virginia apocalyptic landscape first, fallout second.  I haven't played that much of it, but the bugs I have come across haven't been that bad.  It does remind me of fallout 4, and I dont really think the graphics are all there either.  I believe they hyped this up to a degree that will be hard to actually live up to.  I do think that the game can grow in time though.

 

I do agree that this is another example of putting out a game that was not close to being released.  Beta should have been months ago, not a few weeks before launch.  That would have given time for bethesda to see the issues and then come up with a decision to fix it.  I also believe that they prob should not have sold this game for 60 dollars.  this is prob more like a 30 dollar game at best right now.  The main issue with it is that the bugs are literally 2 years old.  Not acceptable at all. especially when patched a long time ago by players and not bethesda.  

 

On the brighter side.  The lore is good and feel of apalachia is real.  I got hopes for this game.  Not a game I could play for hours at a time, but not the worst game I have ever played either.

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Posting a youtuber's review or anyone else's opinion doesn't prove any points on either side. 

I will say I've put over 30+ hours into the game already and have barely touched most areas . Enjoying it lots. I'd still give it an 7 or 8.

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On 11/19/2018 at 5:29 AM, Brenden said:

For whatever reason no matter how good the game is, people will hate it. People have just made an assumption and go with it. Happens a lot lately. I personally am excited to play it.

Thread could have ended here. Truer words have never been spoken. 

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On 11/26/2018 at 9:37 AM, Bullstomp said:

That's his point, you aren't playing games because you think they are good. You're playing them to pad your plat count.

 

I love the Fallout series but felt this was going to be a dumpster fire based on what I read and saw. Sorry to see I was right but hopefully Bethesda learns from this.

 

Lol who am I kidding!🤣

Your right about them learning. But that wasnt his point, his was that its such a terrible game that you lose credibility in any situation. I enjoy fallout 76, but could it be better? Yea, of course. What game wouldnt be better if you really think about it, with minor changes?

 

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the video i posted last time here got removed, but the guy reuploded it again. So here's the video for anyone who didn't see it.

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6 hours ago, starcrunch061 said:

So, plenty of hate in this thread (and some B-sharpish meta conversation). Is there anyone who likes this game, and if so, what do you like about it? The Angry review looks bad, but is clearly motivated by pointing out the worst features.

 

Is there anyone who is trying to play this as an SP game, and enjoys the experience?

 

I like the game. I play solo most of the time. I like to explore West Virginia, the map is pretty good and interesting. I also like to scrap and build my base. I even enjoy the missions. This game does have some problems but I enjoy this game every time I start a new session. 

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So first things first I honestly doubt anyones opinion on the game (whether good or bad) is really gonna be changed by this thread since we humans tend to stick stubbornly to our own opinions unless confronted with some SERIOUSLY SOLID argumentation skills (which I certainly don't posses btw :P ) from the opposite view point. Having said that I still thought I'd share my two cents on the matter even though I haven't actually played the game myself though I will say that I have played some of the earlier entries in the series and was initially excited for the game ... until the initial mp reveal and early gameplay footage but more on that ;) 

Oh yeah also :P

WARNING: The following is a Rant the size of small novel written by a guy who might not have any idea what he's really talking about. Proceed reading at your own risk.

 

So first things first. I very strongly believe (and I'd say most would agree with me on this) the game was off to a rough start from the very moment it was revealed it was gonna be mp focused. As I mentioned earlier this put me off personally to the game as I really don't have any gamer friends who is even remotely interested in the Fallout series but I myself ain't really the biggest fan of mp RPG's so this was gonna be a rough sell to me anyways. The internet or at least a very large portion of the Fallout fanbase seemed to share my sentiment on the matter as it seemed no one really ever asked for MP focused Fallout as the following outrage surrounding the subject seemed to indicate (kind of like with Diablo Immortal actually). Now I know, I know there's probably been a lot of talk about how awesome mp would be older games or the universe in general, but I personally believe when people might have brought this up in the past people were probably thinking about something more akin to: 

 

A. A Fallout game which you can play entirely co-op style perhaps resembling the style of Borderlands where the story might even slightly adjust to the amount of players present (NPC's speech could reflect multiple protagonist etc.)

 

B. A somewhat PVE/PVP multiplayer "free roam" game type that's separate from the main single player experience kind of like how R* has done their MP components for GTA and RDR.

 

Now if we ignore this whole "Nobody wants a MP Fallout game Tod REEEEEEEE" situation the game initially faced and assume people who weren't interested in this new Fallout game experience simply moved on, didn't buy the game and left the game, what were Fallout 76 next big issue? Well before we move onto what I think is REALLY killing the game at the moment I'll say this ... A presentation which I'd classy as underwhelming if not disappointing for a lot of people. Now to clarify when I say presentation I'm referring both to the games visuals (Engine) and gameplay. The visuals I should is pretty self explanatory. Although obviously a personal preference I'd say most people probably wouldn't say the games graphics are among the best out there anymore which is mostly because Bethesda is still using the same old engine they've been using since 2011. I would say this old beast was already showing its age back in 2015 when Fallout 4 came out and now ... well lets just say the game isn't really banking on being a visual marvel. 

As for the gameplay ... well obviously there's the whole the game is mp focused and as such is best enjoyed with a group of friends (even though it would seem playing solo is doable) but since we're assuming only the people actually interested in this should be left I'm not really gonna drag on that aspect. No instead I would say the reveal that the game would have pretty much no NPCs (yeah yeah I know robots ... sweet) outside of enemies to interact with probably wasn't a good decision on Bethesdas part either. A lot of the love for previous Fallout games was in due part   because of the often funny/wacky/crazy and interesting NPC's you'd run across which really helped the world building and story of the games. Fallout 76 "NPC's" would instead be made up of other players you would run across while exploring the wasteland ... and uhh .. yeah we all know online players are always fun to interact with .. right? .. *MIC BREATHING INTENSIFIES* 

 

Final point I'm gonna mention is probably also the biggest point of hatred for the game ... at least right now I would say it is. The Bug/glitch dumpster fire ... oh boy .. this ... this is bad. I mean there's always been all sorts of memes on the internet about Bethesda games and Bugs, but I would have to say that Bethesda has probably taken things a bit to far this time and people might just be getting sick of the same old joke. Apparently the amount of bugs in the game (at least at the time of writing) should be absolutely MASSIVE to the point where Bethesda actually had to release a statement informing/warning people of the state of game. On top of that people can't really rely on modders to fix the problems for Bethesda this time around as far as I'm aware since this an online game. 

 

In summary I whole heartedly believe Bethesda made things MUCH harder for themselves by deciding to move the series in a direction a very niche part of the Fallout fanbase was actually asking for which meant they from the very get go turned away a big portion of old fans and made even more vary of the game who then opted out of an initial purchase instead waiting things out to see whether or not the game could actually deliver on all of Tod Howards pretty promises. What then desperately needed to happen was Bethesda delivering an absolute Smash hit of a game to prove all the doubters wrong and show everyone that a MP Fallout game could indeed be ok. Well ... they didn't. At best they delivered an ok'ish MMORPG like game set in the Fallout universe with elements of the survival game genre. What most people see though is a game that resembles early access games on steam more so than a AAA game ready to be released for consoles. because it quite frankly is unbelievably unpolished at this state EVEN for a Bethesda game which quite frankly never should have been an excuse to begin with, but lets be fair it SORT of has until this point.  

 

If you're still reading this, good on you 😉 (not sure I would have myself actually sooo ... there's that)

I probably could have gone a little bit more in depth on certain areas like the gameplay but at this point I think I've written more than anyone actually cares to read so lets just call it quits. I probably got the my general message across anyways :) 

(Also sorry for any errors/ mistakes I may have made I just couldn't be bothered to read through the whole thing again)

 

 

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All I'll say is I am glad I traded it in as fast as I did and got most of my money back worst full priced game I've played in years, it feel like one of those $5 survival games on steam that are perpetually in beta and never get a full release.

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8 hours ago, benzopil said:

I liked Aliens Colonial Marines but I fully understand that it's garbage, I'm not asking "why are you hating" and don't mention bandwagon and other bullshit.

I agree completely with this haha, this exact game I put aside the hate and bought it on release cause I love the alien movies, and yes the game is terrible but I enjoyed it anyway. Everyone playing Fallout 76 and enjoying it, good for you, but you have to concede to the fact that despite you enjoying your time with it and it having promising mechanics and ideas, the game itself is objectively bad. 

There is a difference between enjoying a product for whatever reason be it personal preference or attachment etc. and the product being objectively good and worthy of AAA standards from a massive developer at this current time.

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Lots of bugs but dont hate this game, always been a fan of Fallout series. I'm sure people played Fallout 3. 

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On 11/27/2018 at 11:40 PM, Spider-Beyond said:

I might as well link this.

First good angry review I saw in a long time.

 

I pre-ordered this but haven't actually downloaded it yet, tried this game over thanksgiving weekend with my buddy with his PC just to see if the game was really that bad as the reviewers said... this game is indeed utter dumpster fire that doesn't deserve to be defended in any capacity. This game is a buggy, outdated, unoptimized mess, and... I don't even know where to begin really, this is far cry from even the most minimum standard that is required from an AAA developer.

 

Not to sound like one of those patronizing apologetic types but I sincerely apologize for supporting this broken mess out of blind franchise loyalty. I guess I am serving my punishment via the $60 that I could've spent on something much more worth while. If you want to ridicule and laugh at my decision to pre-order this heap of garbage then feel free to do so.

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7 hours ago, jaehyun1009 said:

First good angry review I saw in a long time.

 

I pre-ordered this but haven't actually downloaded it yet, wanted to try this game with my buddy's PC... this game is utter dumpster fire that doesn't deserve to be defended in any capacity. This game is a buggy, outdated, unoptimized mess, and... I don't even know where to begin really, this is far cry from even the most minimum standard that is required from an AAA developer.

 

Not to sound like one of those patronizing apologetic types but I sincerely apologize for supporting this broken mess out of blind franchise loyalty. I guess I am serving my punishment via the $60 that I could've spent on something much more worth while. If you want to ridicule and laugh at my decision to pre-order this heap of garbage then feel free to do so.

At least now people won't give them a free pass. They have to try harder next time.

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19 hours ago, Stan Lee said:

Played this over the weekend on a friend's Xbone while I was house-sitting for him.

 

He thinks it's "okay" and I dare say that's because he bought it digitally and can't return it.

 

I sadly found it to be complete garbage. I love Fallout. I love survival games. This was barely passable as either.

 

If you enjoy it, more power to you, I just could not ever bring myself to support this myself right now. "What game doesn't have bugs?"- few I'd imagine but this goes a good bit beyond that. I couldn't believe what I was seeing- constant pop in, disappearing enemies, disconnects etc. It's utterly inexcusable.

 

But nah wait what must be wrong with me, is it that "I can't wrap my head around it", "I was expecting it to be something it isn't" (yeah a good game) or am I just a "bandwagoner"? It doesn't matter, the game is utter pish though I hope for the brand's sake they work at making it better.

 

Stan! I'm sorry you returned from the beyond to play this, and think it's garbage. 

 

20 hours ago, Daemynz said:

 

i enjoy the game. The map is big enough that I've spent a few hours and barely gone anywhere due to all the locations in a small area. I like the holotapes, the voice acting seems good. The enemy variations are cool. There are things I wish could be better, like the shooting being more fluid (not Destiny level but ya know) but Fallout 4 made shooting a lot better compared to Fallout 3/NV.

 

I've played on a launch day PS4 and now a PS4 Pro, they run pretty much the same. 

 

 It doesn't run flawlessly, but does any game not have bugs? Witcher 3 crashed a lot for me, the new Spiderman has crashed a handfull of times. 

 

Sometimes I play Fallout 76 with my fiance, sometimes I don't. I haven't had any griefers trying to kill me and actually haven't done any PvP. 

 

 

Thanks for the info. So much hate for this game (and probably much is deserved), but the din shouldn't completely crowd out those who like it.

 

Anyway, too much for my blood right now, but if I can get it on the cheap inexpensive, or at my library, I'll probably give it a go sometime. Who knows? It might work like a dream then.

 

15 hours ago, Calhoun_84 said:

 

I like the game. I play solo most of the time. I like to explore West Virginia, the map is pretty good and interesting. I also like to scrap and build my base. I even enjoy the missions. This game does have some problems but I enjoy this game every time I start a new session. 

 

Sorry - I missed your response on my first lookover. Thanks for the info! I think I'll wait, like I said, but I'll probably start it at some point down the line.

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well at least I started a thread that was popular 😂😂😂

 

Still, while there were many, many good explanations why some people might not like the game or might think it's shit, no one could get me a reason that warrants hatred in the form that's visible on the internet. 😝 I stand by my statement that it is "only a game" and that no one should be impacted emotionally with such negativity by an entertainment product. Those people need to "get a life".

 

Meanwhile, I'm still having fun with the game. Level 25 soon :)

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1 hour ago, starcrunch061 said:

 

Stan! I'm sorry you returned from the beyond to play this, and think it's garbage. 

 

 

It killed me again, it was that bad unfortunately.

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40 minutes ago, Sicho said:

well at least I started a thread that was popular 1f602.png1f602.png1f602.png

 

Still, while there were many, many good explanations why some people might not like the game or might think it's shit, no one could get me a reason that warrants hatred in the form that's visible on the internet. 1f61d.png I stand by my statement that it is "only a game" and that no one should be impacted emotionally with such negativity by an entertainment product. Those people need to "get a life".

 

Meanwhile, I'm still having fun with the game. Level 25 soon :)

You are asking why people behave this way on the internet. There's plenty of study just pick the one your prefer.

 

"Trolling is most frequent late at night, and least frequent in the morning. Trolling also peaks on Monday, at the beginning of the work week. If a discussion begins with a “troll comment,” then it is twice as likely to be trolled by other participants later on, compared to a discussion that does not start with a troll comment. In fact, these troll comments can add up. The more troll comments in a discussion, the more likely that future participants will also troll the discussion. Altogether, these results show how the initial comments in a discussion set a strong, lasting precedent for later trolling."

This is from http://theconversation.com/our-experiments-taught-us-why-people-troll-72798

 

Personnaly I think its because of the perceived lack of consequences.

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28 minutes ago, Stan Lee said:

 

It killed me again, it was that bad unfortunately.

Oh no RIP Stan Lee... AGAIN

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54 minutes ago, Sicho said:

well at least I started a thread that was popular 😂😂😂

 

Still, while there were many, many good explanations why some people might not like the game or might think it's shit, no one could get me a reason that warrants hatred in the form that's visible on the internet. 😝 I stand by my statement that it is "only a game" and that no one should be impacted emotionally with such negativity by an entertainment product. Those people need to "get a life".

 

Meanwhile, I'm still having fun with the game. Level 25 soon :)

 

It is indeed only a game, the thing is it costs real money. 

 

So I've not played F76, surely never will, however I've watched crapload of reviews (mostly from sources I follow for years and I can identify with their taste) and seen my pal playing it on Xbox one x. 

Game seriously looks and plays awfully, on XOX it was dropping to 10 fps sometimes. Graphic glitches are all over the place. Quests glitch one after another. Shooting gameplay is as bad as in any other Bethesda Fallout. No story whatsoever but that may be actually a good thing as Bethesda can't write a decent script (like, you know, F3 made you look for your father and F4 for your son... am I supposed to expect granpa in F5?). All that for 60$. Or more like 40 at the moment but still 40 too much. Of course only money I spend is money I earned myself and I'm not going to judge anyone but that piss, shit and vomit quality isn't worth money at all and asking full retail price is like spitting at people's faces. 

 

Looking at what Bethesda did to Fallout franchise is beyond my worst nightmare as I consider F2 to be one of the best ol'time rpgs along with games like Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment. And I'm not talking only about F76 here cause F3 and NV were already far behind in terms of storytelling and sidequests invention. F4 was even worse than that with all those cringeworthy dialogues and retarded settlements thing like it's Minecraft or some other shit. 

 

It is time for Bethesda to finally eat their plate of shit and stop this humiliating practice of releasing halfproducts but reading this thread convinces me some people will never learn. 

 

Peace. 

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You people make me sick. 

 

I’m going to assume a number of you out there have your PS4 Pro and Ultra 4K TV and you expect every major AAA game to come out to have 4K pristine quality, 30 FPS or 1080p, 60 FPS for them.

 

And when those standards fall short, you guys bitch, moan, complain and piss that something is not up to your graphical and performance standards. 

 

We live in a hive mind society nowadays where people flock to Facebook, Reddit and Twitter to bitch about something like Fallout 76. If you do much as post an unpopular opinion like “Fallout 76 is a good game and I love the multiplayer aspect”, people jump on you, criticize you and may even say you shouldn’t have an opinion at all. 

 

The amount of hate and criticism for this game is mostly uncalled for and ridiculous. 

 

I’m no fan of Bethesda and admittedly I didn’t like Skyrim that much. But I’m also not trying to boycott or outright refuse to play any of their future games like so many people on Facebook and Reddit have stated. It’s sickening, all for one game that Bethesda put time and effort into making. There are many other games for you to entertain yourselves with.

 

We have become too self entitled and full of our own crap to really care too much at looking at the other side. We could have a thousand games at our disposal and we will still be dissatisfied. 

 

I can agree with Bethesda being full of their own shit. I can agree with Fallout 4 and their abomination Fallout Shelter to fall way short of the mark Fallout 1 and 2 set back in the day. Those two games stand as two of my favorite post apocalypse RPGs of all time. But the amount of hate for Fallout 76 is astounding, to say the least. 

 

Pretty soon people are going to bitch that Days Gone will be too much like The Last of Us, and go on their usual redoric of why it’s not that good and other things. 

 

In this day and age you can buy every game you ever wanted online. Tons of games coming out on PlayStation Store and other platforms. But that isn’t enough. 

 

A lot of butthurt Fallout fans discovered that Fallout 76 isn’t what they wanted it to be. Maybe Bethesda is a piece of shit company, but so is EA and they have spent the past decade getting people to buy their shit even when they know it. 

 

Too much self entitlement, and we have to nitpick every fucking detail about Fallout 76 like we depended on that game to deliver to the fans. 

 

This is is why I don’t preorder or buy into the hype of any AAA game. Perhaps you people need to start focusing on this practice. Instead of bitching about a game that some of you clearly thought was going to have some pretty neat features, and then being overly upset that you paid $60 for a game that fell short of your standards. 

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15 minutes ago, Spaz said:

You people make me sick. 

 

I’m going to assume a number of you out there have your PS4 Pro and Ultra 4K TV and you expect every major AAA game to come out to have 4K pristine quality, 30 FPS or 1080p, 60 FPS for them.

 

 

Is it so wrong to want decent framerates? It is very noticable and hinders gameplay when the fps isn't stable

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8 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

Is it so wrong to want decent framerates? It is very noticable and hinders gameplay when the fps isn't stable

 

Then again, it pays to wait a while because there is no major game anymore that is going to be released with little to no issues.

 

Patches have to be worked out and implemented. Day 1 patches are a thing because otherwise the games will just be broken, buggy messes.

 

Because this is an online game, Bethesda is probably working on making patches and updates to make Fallout 76 run more smoothly.

 

I don't understand people who buy a AAA game at launch and fully expect the games will run flawlessly and smoothly. Since Spider-Man came out there have been a number of changes made that they have given the game more features, bugs that have been patched out, and new DLC content that will encourage gamers to come back and play.

 

If people out there don't feel comfortable buying a game like Fallout 76 then they should either wait for patches to come out or simply ignore it and move on to another game. I encourage more people to wait for a Game of the Year Edition if they want a game but weren't comfortable getting it at launch. This is counter intuitive to what companies want which is for you to preorder and buy the game right when it is shipped. But I place no value in preordering and I place no value in waiting until midnight for a game to be available.

 

And should Fallout 76 never get better then it was simply a disaster financially for Bethesda, hurting their profits and losing a share of the audience they had.

 

Most of this bitching and arguing that I've seen about this game comes with absolutely no logic or concise reasoning. People have apparently forgotten what it means to be humble.

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18 minutes ago, Spaz said:

Instead of bitching about a game that some of you clearly thought was going to have some pretty neat features, and then being overly upset that you paid $60 for a game that fell short of your standards. 

I agree with this section of your comments, that it is best to do your research and not blindly expecting it to be exactly what you're wanting and imagining you will be getting. However above you're making it sound like people aren't allowed or warranted to criticise the game at all. If people are bitching about it being a multiplayer game then that is stupid as they knew all along what is was going to be, but to say people are butthurt and ridiculous for expecting a better performing game with at least average framerate and little to no crashes is in itself ridiculous. There are many other options to try when it comes to games, limitless really, but to say that people are being uncalled for and ridiculous for wanting a game that is not a buggy mess is such a backwards way of thinking.

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Just now, Bailey97 said:

I agree with this section of your comments, that it is best to do your research and not blindly expecting it to be exactly what you're wanting and imagining you will be getting. However above you're making it sound like people aren't allowed or warranted to criticise the game at all. If people are bitching about it being a multiplayer game then that is stupid as they knew all along what is was going to be, but to say people are butthurt and ridiculous for expecting a better performing game with at least average framerate and little to no crashes is in itself ridiculous. There are many other options to try when it comes to games, limitless really, but to say that people are being uncalled for and ridiculous for wanting a game that is not a buggy mess is such a backwards way of thinking.

 

Which in today's age, doing your research takes little to no work.

 

Instead a lot of people will just go by what a YouTuber reviewer said, what someone on Reddit or Twitter posted or what some jackass on Facebook expressed about this game.

 

I buy a game on my own free will and merits rather than let some random YouTuber sway my opinion of whether I will buy a game or not. But looking at Bethesda's history with Fallout 3 and New Vegas running poorly, I shouldn't be surprised that Fallout 76 runs poorly. People are disappointed because they were expecting Fallout 76 to be new and exciting after their time with Fallout 4.

 

Again as I stated, it often pays to wait for updates and patches. But unfortunately the news has broken out that Fallout 76 is a broken mess, and this in effect will greatly affect sales. Most people aren't going to sit around for a few weeks and wait for a good patch to come out so they'll jump ship to another game.

 

If anything, this is just a way to keep people vocal and concerned, mostly upset Fallout fans who didn't get what they wanted. Not everything has to be 4K quality or 60 FPS. If more people want this then I suggest they toss aside their Playstation 4 and go play Steam on a custom desktop. The PC market is much more suited and catered for gamers who want the best and the latest in technology.

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1 hour ago, Spaz said:

 

Then again, it pays to wait a while because there is no major game anymore that is going to be released with little to no issues.

 

Patches have to be worked out and implemented. Day 1 patches are a thing because otherwise the games will just be broken, buggy messes.

 

Because this is an online game, Bethesda is probably working on making patches and updates to make Fallout 76 run more smoothly.

 

I don't understand people who buy a AAA game at launch and fully expect the games will run flawlessly and smoothly. Since Spider-Man came out there have been a number of changes made that they have given the game more features, bugs that have been patched out, and new DLC content that will encourage gamers to come back and play.

 

If people out there don't feel comfortable buying a game like Fallout 76 then they should either wait for patches to come out or simply ignore it and move on to another game. I encourage more people to wait for a Game of the Year Edition if they want a game but weren't comfortable getting it at launch. This is counter intuitive to what companies want which is for you to preorder and buy the game right when it is shipped. But I place no value in preordering and I place no value in waiting until midnight for a game to be available.

 

And should Fallout 76 never get better then it was simply a disaster financially for Bethesda, hurting their profits and losing a share of the audience they had.

 

Most of this bitching and arguing that I've seen about this game comes with absolutely no logic or concise reasoning. People have apparently forgotten what it means to be humble.

I really doubt it, even fallout 4 can't run in certain parts of the game at 60 fps on pc, mainly downtown boston, and this is with some of the best video cards on the market.

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27 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

I really doubt it, even fallout 4 can't run in certain parts of the game at 60 fps on pc, mainly downtown boston, and this is with some of the best video cards on the market.

 

I never said the PC port was perfect.

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