Popular Post AndroidFox Posted June 19, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) They should rename it the Xbox 180. I bet the only reason why they are doing this is because pre-order numbers are terrible, Microsoft don't give a shit about consumers. Edit: Sounded like a fanboy post, Sony are just as anti-consumer, but at least they have a basic grasp of what the market want from a games console. Edited December 27, 2013 by AndroidFox 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CompSci88 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 With this I'd say Xbox is now on equal ground with PS even if it's still $100 more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordfenton Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The damage already been done. Almost every single site minus the Xbox fanboys, Journalist who always in bed with M$, and a few of the Xbox Achievements sites they were losing on almost every single end. Some of those features M$ had would of put gaming back to where it was in 1983-1984 and that is an scary thing to think of to me. They saw the pre-orders way the hell down and decided to change it's policys with Kinetic still being mandatory. Still the gamers who were smart voted with their wallets and put down pre-orders on the PS4. Think M$ will win the first wave battle, not bad the long shot. Think some simple minded gamers and casuals going to buy the Xbox One...yep. We voted with our wallets and won. That what matters the most. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullstomp Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 It shows they are at least smart enough to know their policies were not going to be tolerated. This is a great day for gamers everywhere because I can't see any console gaming company touching DRM with a 10 foot pole after the backlash Micro$oft endured. Micro$oft still sucks though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eynotie Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I'm happy for gaming. This will create better competition. I'll game multiplatform so I can play exclusives, but I think I'm going to focus more on Playstation for most games from here on out. Sony seems to care about it's customers more. And, I should add, I don't trust MS after all of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackburnfan19 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) in case anyone cares amazon best sellers for video games. 1. xbox one day one edition 2. the last of us 3. ps4 standard edition 4. ps4 with watch dogs 5. ps4 with bf4 6. psn $20 card 7. animal crossing 8. ps4 with killzone 9. ps4 controller 10. ps4 launch edition. so in the top ten ps has 8 missing out on 1 and 7. after that its fairly mixed. Edited June 19, 2013 by blackburnfan19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitsuneChaos Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share Posted June 19, 2013 Sony seems to care about it's customers more. I still do not understand how everyone keeps coming to this conclusion. My only logical understanding would be the Playstation bias that comes with the territory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ille1234 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wish someone had filmed the panic meeting at Microsoft where they decided this, I bet that would have been hilarious too see. Nevertheless I could care less what Microsoft are up too, for all we know this is a good thing, maybe now the twelve year olds won't switch over and thereby relieving us of the horror of having to deal with them. In my opinion the ones we have are quite enough. However I was always going to buy the PS4 anyways, I've always played on the playstation and I've never really payed any mind to the xbox (quite frankly I don't really know a lot about it even) because I am more than happy with what Sony does and I have no reason whatsoever to change, i never have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackburnfan19 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I still do not understand how everyone keeps coming to this conclusion. My only logical understanding would be the Playstation bias that comes with the territory. well that and because sony hasnt said some of the things don mattrick (or however you spell it) has said. like they have an offline system called the 360. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 This is fantastic news. When the XBone is a few years old and has a heft price drop I'll more than likely pick one up now. Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antithesis Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) I'll still be buying a PS4 at launch instead of this, but now I won't feel so bad about buying it down the road. Forza 5 and Halo 5 have got me hooked :/Agreed my Curbatronic friend. I pre-ordered a PS4 on the day of the E3 reveal (waited for price confirmation) and although the MS DRM didn't affect me personally, I boycotted out of principle. In the end, I'm platform-agnostic and though PS4 will be my lead console, I want the freedom to play games that I can only get on Xbox. With these restrictions out of the way, I've now pre-ordered both. My only question is what will defend the consumers if they will reimplement all of their DRM stuff after a year or two? They can basicly do that too, and xbox users can`t do nothing against it once they use it for years.The people have spoken with a 95% to 5% consumer sentiment in favour of Sony's policies. In anyone's language, that is a shalacking of monumental proportions. MS now knows we won't eat their dicks without a fight. They can't back down now, this policy is set in stone for a generation. Edited June 19, 2013 by ant1th3s1s 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullstomp Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I still do not understand how everyone keeps coming to this conclusion. My only logical understanding would be the Playstation bias that comes with the territory. Lets look at PlayStation Plus vs. XBox Live PS+ offers free games, XBox live doesn't (but they will start soon because of the backlash, so a win for XBox fanbois courtesy of Sony. You're welcome!) You don't need to own an online membership to access Netflix, since it already has a subscription price. XBox restricts you and makes you pay $50 to access Netflix Sony's online store offers discounts, and some good ones at that! I hear that many games that are years old online are still priced at the release price in the XBox store. Sony didn't mandate restrictions on game trades. I'm sure there is more but you get the idea . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperiorNova Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Pretty good news for those who like Xbox bad for us. If you look at the pricing you would see that X1 is actually $350/£329 with Kinect 2.0 with it. This could mean a shift in the wind boys and girls. The only way they could kill it is if they sell it $450/£379, that price would put customers at ease. Damn it Microsoft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I still do not understand how everyone keeps coming to this conclusion. My only logical understanding would be the Playstation bias that comes with the territory. The fact that Sony never had any of the policies that the XBone has, the fact that Sony doesn't force Indie developers to have a publisher to get their titles on the PS4, the fact that Sony doesn't force developers to adhere to a strict schedule to pump their games out and the fact that Sony isn't forcing us to connect a camera to our new systems are just a few examples. Also, it has been confirmed that the XBone is region free like PlayStation so that is awesome news. I wonder since the online restriction isn't there anymore, will only 21 countries be able to use it? Parker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitsuneChaos Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share Posted June 19, 2013 Lets look at PlayStation Plus vs. XBox Live PS+ offers free games, XBox live doesn't (but they will start soon because of the backlash, so a win for XBox fanbois courtesy of Sony. You're welcome!) You don't need to own an online membership to access Netflix, since it already has a subscription price. XBox restricts you and makes you pay $50 to access Netflix Sony's online store offers discounts, and some good ones at that! I hear that many games that are years old online are still priced at the release price in the XBox store. Sony didn't mandate restrictions on game trades. I'm sure there is more but you get the idea . . . - Recirculates titles that are long out of their original circulation; PS+ only just picked up the pace on decent titles in 2012 (and by decent, I mean pretty much anything) - Netflix partnership with consoles started with Xbox 360 back in 2008; no attempts at policy change were made on their part. - Same matters run for both consoles, more so with Microsoft when they open their Sales portion of the marketplace in 2011; same goes with PC game owners (even more so with Steam and competing retailers). - Microsoft made an attempt at utilizing DRM and expanding the opportunity of using and sharing your software without requiring the disc; unfortunately this had poor response. Sony did absolutely nothing to make any changes or innovate; gets rewarded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daftprophet Posted June 19, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2013 I'm just going to put this here...almost spot on, few months off lol. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finallife5 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Can we just stop the fanboy comments please? We didn't sign bloodpact agreements to stick to one company, however I still don't want: the kinect 2(the first is garbage I know I have two...) I still think the NSA is still there when we're online and I really am sick and tired of the microsoft fanboys (omg they're damn annoying) I'm all for the ps4 and I think we ALL know that Sony is the better company but I don't think this should sink to the low that is: http://www.trueachievements.com/ (please look in the comments to see what I mean: http://www.trueachievements.com/n13725/ms-updates-its-position-on-drm.htm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Can we just stop the fanboy comments please? We didn't sign bloodpact agreements to stick to one company, however I still don't want: the kinect 2(the first is garbage I know I have two...) I still think the NSA is still there when we're online and I really am sick and tired of the microsoft fanboys (omg they're damn annoying) I'm all for the ps4 and I think we ALL know that Sony is the better company but I don't think this should sink to the low that is: http://www.trueachievements.com/ (please look in the comments to see what I mean: http://www.trueachievements.com/n13725/ms-updates-its-position-on-drm.htm) You realize that goes both ways, right? Sony fanboys are just as annoying as Microsoft fanboys. Parker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullstomp Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 - Microsoft made an attempt at utilizing DRM and expanding the opportunity of using and sharing your software without requiring the disc; unfortunately this had poor response. Sony did absolutely nothing to make any changes or innovate; gets rewarded. Taking away basic ownership rights is "innovation"? You keep drinking Bill Gate's Kool Aid! LOL There's a saying that definitely applies "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antithesis Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I'm just going to put this here...almost spot on, few months off lol. I think we all saw this coming. It was inevitable... MS put themselves out there for the next-gen and their action or inaction on DRM hinged on Sony's reply at E3. We all gave MS the big "fuck you!", they had no choice but to back down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhekifaZ Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 You realize that goes both ways, right? Sony fanboys are just as annoying as Microsoft fanboys. Parker ^ Fanboys sure are an annoying breed of human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eynotie Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I still do not understand how everyone keeps coming to this conclusion. My only logical understanding would be the Playstation bias that comes with the territory. Maybe "care about customers" is too strong from me. However, "aware of" might be better. I have been an Xbox gamer for years. I'm not glued to the PS3 only, but like where PS is going. I like the communication coming from Sony over the last couple of years so much more than MS. I'm tired of MS trying to convince me that Kinect is the best thing ever (referring to the E3s from last year and the year before). To be fair, Sony did the same with the Move, but I feel it works better than Kinect. I'm tired of MS's Gawd awful customer service (though, to be fair I haven't had to experience Sony's to compare). I'm tired of MS leaving people hanging after their poorly-thought-out and poorly-executed programs prove not to be profitable (Game Room, Games for Windows Live, Xbox Gold Family Plan, and there are more). Finally, I'm tired of feeling like something is being crammed down my throat. I agree, innovation has been halted here, and that's a shame. Maybe MS's problem was how they presented these changes and not necessarily the changes themselfves. Anyways, Sony's communication has felt much more positive, with their overall emphasis on valuing thier customers and giving game developers a place to comfortably develop their products (I'm referring to Indies). Maybe I'm way off, but I think that freedom is something HBO does with its original programming to a small degree, and that is one of the (many) reasons for its good quality. Anyways, sorry for the ramble. Just wanted to assure you I'm not a Sony fanboy. I am just impressed with Sony lately and a bit tired of MS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliteVega Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Back to Halo for me in the near future then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daftprophet Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 (edited) Fanboy or not, everyone can voice their opinion...we're all gamers here YOU can choose whether or not you want to read/listen to it Edited June 19, 2013 by daftprophet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curb Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Agreed my Curbatronic friend. I pre-ordered a PS4 on the day of the E3 reveal (waited for price confirmation) and although the MS DRM didn't affect me personally, I boycotted out of principle. In the end, I'm platform-agnostic and though PS4 will be my lead console, I want the freedom to play games that I can only get on Xbox. With these restrictions out of the way, I've now pre-ordered both. This, this, a thousand times this... sans pre-order, since I'm a poor, filthy peasant right now, but I intend to drop off my deposit(s?) as soon as I can. Hell, maybe I'll even do the Xbone on Day One now, depending on whether or not my roomie's willing to help out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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