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Time to Max Out All Skills

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Wow that's a lot of dedication :D I also wanted to fit a curve to predict how many exp I would have needed, but I just went for blind grinding lol

Anyway, I did a speedrun on NG+ to Shura then I went for NG++ and farmed there (I needed Shura for the trophy anyway, and this way I also had the scroll given by Isshin for the Shura ending, which is not required for any trophy but still cool). I also kinda did a speedrun for NG++ (killed all bosses and did all things for all ending, but I didn't kill any optional mini-boss).

Reading how much time people spent farming on NG+, I think it was a good decision. However, if you already are in NG+ past Shura (so "good ending" endgame) maybe it's not worth to do a NG++.

Btw:

* For the first farming method, it's better if you do a full run as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwpThvQxTWA It gives more exp/hour (in the description it says how to improve it).

* Alternatively there is the antichamber you mentioned (super simple)

* Rr the "long antichamer" described here https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/73210-i-bring-to-you-the-best-farming-method/ But read the comments because as in the video the run is not very efficient. It is very efficient (maybe as much or more the outskirts method) if you didn't kill the chained ogre.

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I think the one thing you might be overlooking is that bosses themselves reward quite nice chunks of XP. So if you managed to run through the game in under 90 mins without dying too much, it'd probably be worth it.

 

But I do agree that for most players who just want the platinum fast, the safer way is to just grind on NG+.

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I think going into ng+ might be a better idea because you already have to for all bosses and all upgrades. Plus, your second play through may only take around 5 hours to beat.

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1 hour ago, nudoetcrudo said:

Wow that's a lot of dedication :D I also wanted to fit a curve to predict how many exp I would have needed, but I just went for blind grinding lol

Anyway, I did a speedrun on NG+ to Shura then I went for NG++ and farmed there (I needed Shura for the trophy anyway, and this way I also had the scroll given by Isshin for the Shura ending, which is not required for any trophy but still cool). I also kinda did a speedrun for NG++ (killed all bosses and did all things for all ending, but I didn't kill any optional mini-boss).

Reading how much time people spent farming on NG+, I think it was a good decision. However, if you already are in NG+ past Shura (so "good ending" endgame) maybe it's not worth to do a NG++.

Btw:

* For the first farming method, it's better if you do a full run as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwpThvQxTWA It gives more exp/hour (in the description it says how to improve it).

* Alternatively there is the antichamber you mentioned (super simple)

* Rr the "long antichamer" described here https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/73210-i-bring-to-you-the-best-farming-method/ But read the comments because as in the video the run is not very efficient. It is very efficient (maybe as much or more the outskirts method) if you didn't kill the chained ogre.

 

Thanks for the reply and for posting links to some farming methods. A few comments:

 

1. In the first video, the player gains 11497 xp in 160 seconds on a first play-through. This is 71.8 xp/s, which is far less than the 99 xp/s you get with just farming the first 5 guys. Even using a homeward bone after killing the last guy on the bridge wouldn't be as fast as just farming the first 5 guys.

2. It's hard to tell on the long anti-chamber method since the full-cycle is not included (there's no timing on how long the load screen is to get back to the idol). If this method is faster, it's not be much.

 

What's interesting through, is if you run back to the idol after killing the first 3 purple ninjas in the anti-chamber run, you are looking at 9468 xp on ng++ in about 35-40 seconds, which would be 237 - 271 xp/s. That's far greater than the 208 xp/s on ng++ from farming just the 5 guys at the Ashina outskirts: Outskirts Wall - Stairway. I'll try this tonight as it looks like the fastest method and thank you so much for helping to point it out.

 

45 minutes ago, boldtext said:

I think going into ng+ might be a better idea because you already have to for all bosses and all upgrades. Plus, your second play through may only take around 5 hours to beat.

 

Sorry if my post is not clear, but I am suggesting the fastest way to get platinum is to go to ng+, and then farm at the end of ng+ instead of going into ng++ to farm. As IDiivil pointed out, it does depend on how quickly you can clear a ng++ play-through and how much xp you end of losing in the event you die. You may gain some skill points as you go through ng++, which I'm not accounting for in my calculations. My guess is, completing a ng++ and then farming is a wash time-wise at best compared to just farming at the end of ng+. However, a ng++ would definitely be more enjoyable.

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Awesome post, +1. I was interested in calculating the amount of experience needed for this trophy, but I was determined to continue grinding and 'pushing through the pain,' so to speak. Like you, I also had to grind a massive amount of extra experience.

 

As boldtext has said, it's much better to go to NG+. If you're going for the longest trophy in the game, might as well go for the platinum. This is especially true for you, since you need an extra 10 points. However, I was scared to go into NG++, simply because I didn't want to fight Saint Isshin again, as well as some troublesome bosses in NG++. I figured that I would not save enough time with the NG++ experience gain over NG+ to justify the amount of time it would take me to beat that boss and reach end game. 

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15 minutes ago, emptyshelf said:

 

Thanks for the reply and for posting links to some farming methods. A few comments:

 

1. In the first video, the player gains 11497 xp in 160 seconds on a first play-through. This is 71.8 xp/s, which is far less than the 99 xp/s you get with just farming the first 5 guys. Even using a homeward bone after killing the last guy on the bridge wouldn't be as fast as just farming the first 5 guys.

2. It's hard to tell on the long anti-chamber method since the full-cycle is not included (there's no timing on how long the load screen is to get back to the idol). If this method is faster, it's not be much.

 

What's interesting through, is if you run back to the idol after killing the first 3 purple ninjas in the anti-chamber run, you are looking at 9468 xp on ng++ in about 35-40 seconds, which would be 237 - 271 xp/s. That's far greater than the 208 xp/s on ng++ from farming just the 5 guys at the Ashina outskirts: Outskirts Wall - Stairway. I'll try this tonight as it looks like the fastest method and thank you so much for helping to point it out.

1. I put a few notes in the description (I am the player :D) to make it faster. It can be easily done in 140 seconds (my best is 135, and another used said he did it in 130).

2. I am also curious about that strategy and will probably try it out even though I already maxed everything, just for curiosity :D

 

Also, in NG++ the gunners on the bridge (fighting against the red samurais) give a considerable amount of exp (441 each I think), while in NG only 21. This is weird and is not the +40/50% you mentioned, I am not sure why their scaling is different. Anyway, this makes the method even more efficient (at least in NG++, probably also in NG+ but I didn't reach that point in my NG+).

 

Btw, 5 hours for a speedrun seem way too much. 3 hours should suffice even dying a couple of times at bosses (skipping all enemies and mini-bosses).

 

 

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Yikes the last few skill points are going to take me a long time because I also need to get to 135. I'm on ng++ stuck on Isshin, the rest of ng++ was no trouble at all, I beat almost every boss on the first try. I'll grind out skill points in ng+++.

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I just grinded like a madman at the end of NG+. I think maybe 6 or 7 hours of grinding in total, what a pain!

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In the end, it's really much better to get to NG+2 than farm on lower difficulty. I was wondering the same thing as OP when I needed 40+ skill points in NG+ but I was getting so little throughout the whole playthrough on NG+ that I'm glad I went to NG+2, which I completed in like 2-3 hours and did the rest there.

 

You can achieve Shura ending in like 2 hours, so it's much faster than you think.

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44 minutes ago, Lowlliet said:

In the end, it's really much better to get to NG+2 than farm on lower difficulty. I was wondering the same thing as OP when I needed 40+ skill points in NG+ but I was getting so little throughout the whole playthrough on NG+ that I'm glad I went to NG+2, which I completed in like 2-3 hours and did the rest there.

 

You can achieve Shura ending in like 2 hours, so it's much faster than you think.

 

Sigh..I don't know how you say "it's really much better to get to ng++ than farm on lower difficulty" or "it's much faster than you think" when the math doesn't support this at all. That's the point of using numbers, so I'm not guessing how long it takes or telling people it's faster than they "think". As IDiivil pointed out, there are some cases where it could be faster to go to ng++ and farm there, but it primarily depends on how many skill points you have left to earn, and how many skill points you've invested into increasing attack. If you've invested a lot into attack (~20 skill points or more), then moving to ng++ would be faster.

 

In my case, I needed 37 skill points to max all skills, which includes 10 additional levels from increasing attack twice. Since skill points increase in cost, I would need to grind for longer compared to someone that needed ~40 skill points to max all skills but didn't increase their attack with skill points at all. Longer grinding means there could be a greater benefit from farming in ng++ compared to ng+. So I wanted to test that out.

 

As I stated in my original post, the difference in time between farming the points I needed on ng+ and farming ng++ is 90-100 minutes. So if it takes 2 hours to complete a ng++ play-through (and you need to go the non-Shura route to get to the farming locations I've mentioned), you don't make up the time you saved by just farming on ng+. Again, IDiivil pointed out that you probably will gain a few skill points (it's too hard to know how many because it depends on skill and pathing) throughout the ~2 hour ng++ run, but based on my ng+ play-through where I didn't lose much experience to deaths, it would be around 5 or so. 5 skill points would save an additional 30 minutes, making the two options comparable at best, not "really much better" that you claim.

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Posted (edited)

Last trophy for Sekiro. I will test the 3 ninja antechamber run, I’m in ng++. I will edit with the results

 

Edit - Not worth, it’s hard to do stealth attack on the second ninja.

 

Edit2 - The sweet spot is antechamber with ogre alive, return to th idol meanwhile the ogre kill the two red dudes. 

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Killing the single purple ninja and returning to the idol has been working well.

Using those 5 skill points to upgrade my Attack Power may of been a mistake. 🤔

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5 minutes ago, reiner- said:

Killing the single purple ninja and returning to the idol has been working well.

Using those 5 skill points to upgrade my Attack Power may of been a mistake. 1f914.png

I would recommend doing Ashina staircase instead,  more interactive to keep your mind out of the "Fuck this shit" mentality.   I put 10 into attack and if I did that purple ninja only I woulda went fucking nuts haha.

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Just now, iGGTheEnd said:

I would recommend doing Ashina staircase instead,  more interactive to keep your mind out of the "Fuck this shit" mentality.   I put 10 into attack and if I did that purple ninja only I woulda went fucking nuts haha.

You're right. 😆

I have said "Fuck this shit" many times.

Best thing to do is put your favourite YouTube channel on and grind away. 

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I'm going to just wait for a potential DLC. No point in grinding away if there'll be more to play through and potentially better methods to farm exp.

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8 minutes ago, ObliviousSenpai said:

I'm going to just wait for a potential DLC. No point in grinding away if there'll be more to play through and potentially better methods to farm exp.

This is a good point. There will surely be DLC.

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