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16 minutes ago, Charizarzar said:

She wasn't a madwoman when she saved Jon and co. when they went on the fool's errand beyond the wall. She'salways been capable of eventually getting to this point, but we've (imo) not been shown this in a way that makes sense.

 

I mean we're agreeing on the fact that this season was far too short, that's just the main issue really. Obviously you feel differently but I really felt that we needed a stronger progression to get her to this absolute end point. It just gets a little annoying when we try to get this point across and people like @rolltideroll157 simplify the argument and act like we just don't pay attention to the show. That isn't the point. 

 

We definitely agree the season should have been longer; I'm 100% on board with you on that. 

 

The way I see it though is I'm not looking at specific things Dany has done that were altruistic; rather, I'm attempting to look at the whole of her character arc. 

 

What I mean is, there are instances where Dany has done wonderful things, though on the whole I see a recurring theme and progression towards something more sinister. 

 

That's cool we don't see the same thing though. All forms of art are open to interpretation. 

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3 hours ago, TheLakota said:

 

No, there's really not. You just supported Dany the entire series because she always took on the "bad guys". It goes back to my earlier post about perspective. 

Nah, supported her mainly cause she is one hot sexy check with dragons and shit, nevertheless i usually cheer for the bad guys and villains, for lols.

Poor night king, may u rest in pieces 🙏.

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7 minutes ago, hsn963 said:

 i usually cheer for the bad guys and villains

 

Littlefinger was my guy, that smarmy bastard. 

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7 hours ago, TheLakota said:

 

No, there's really not. You just supported Dany the entire series because she always took on the "bad guys". It goes back to my earlier post about perspective. 

 

You're saying that there's no difference between burning thousands of civilians, who have surrendered to you and are offering you their city, and the situations in Season 2 and 6 where she burned people who were actively keeping her prisoner? Why? Because they both have the word "burn" in them?

 

Every single time where she had been "mad" previously in the show, there was a reason for it. A lot of people didn't support her burning the Tarlys (they weren't "bad guys"), but we accepted it because it made sense for her as a character to do that. Burning the Lannister loot train in Season 7 made sense since the loot train was going to be used to fund an army to try to destroy her. They could have made S08E05 make sense by giving her a tactical reason to burn the entire city, but they didn't -- the city had already surrendered before she started burning people, so the only conclusion is that she burned those people just for fun. That is not remotely the same as her actions in previous seasons.

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12 hours ago, rolltideroll157 said:

Y’all must not pay attention very much to the show they have hinted at Dany doing this since the season 2 finale with her visions in the tower of the undying. She was in the destroyed throne room with ashes falling everywhere and she has been on the brink of doin something like this almost every season so don’t act like this is a terrible character arc. It makes sense I would have preferred her to be good but this is game of thrones and if you expected a happy ending you haven’t been paying attention.

 

I wouldn't necessarily say not paying attention.  In my case I had forgotten most of what happened in the previous seasons, including the vision with the throne.  Now that people have discussed it here I can now put Dany's character into a better perspective.

 

While her "madness" became more apparent in Westeros I thought that she would at least have the decency to follow the plan with the ringing bells in King's Landing during the battle.  I mean, she seemed to listen to Tyrion when he pleaded and she was able to avoid innocent casualties in the beginning of the fight.

 

As it has been mentioned a plethora of times the writing for this season isn't that great and things are rushed.  If the writers took their time with this season as they had with the others we might not be discussing our confusions and distastes of the writing, and instead be discussing our full understanding of the situation with Dany.  You do make a very good point below:

 

11 hours ago, rolltideroll157 said:

Because after losing her most trusted advisor, best friend, 2 dragons, more than half her armies, finding out your lover is the actual hier to the throne she has been chasing her entire life and nephew and seeing how everyone loves and supports him and not her. So after all that I would say her breaking like that with all her adrenaline pumping during the battle made perfect sense.

 

Personally, I think if all that stuff happened to me I'd probably go on a rampage, too, lol

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I was actually working on set the day episode 5 was filmed and I spent the better part of a year pondering just where Jamie was running to in King's Landing. Yep, pretty underwhelming. Whatever about all the other characters and the criticisms thrown at the writing this year, they really let the whole Jamie and Cersei story whimper out.

 

But this is just my opinion, so please don't lambast me for expressing it. I will credit the last episode for its cinematography and direction - it  was feckin' phenomenal.

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What I haven't really seen enough mention of is how Dany is basically alone in Westeros. She doesn't have the love of the people like she did across the Narrow Sea so she decided that if she can't rule with their love then she'll do it through fear, as was said in the episode. You could see it in her eyes at Winterfell, when she sat alone while everyone gathered around Jon, praising him as a king. The realization that the people of Westeros weren't her people at all.

 

As I've said before, the signs of madness have been there all through the series. The pace has just been accelerated this season and though I'm not a fan of the final season being a speedrun, it's not like Dany's turn is out of left field.

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6 minutes ago, Gotakibono said:

... I spent the better part of a year pondering just where Jamie was running to in King's Landing. Yep, pretty underwhelming. Whatever about all the other characters and the criticisms thrown at the writing this year, they really let the whole Jamie and Cersei story whimper out.

Yes. It was like... "Hey, I forgot you hired Bronn to kill me...". I was thinking they'd fulfill the Valenqar prophecy. It would had been so much better, and the Euron fight scene could have been discarded as well, as they could have killed him off with Drogon.

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Just now, ShepardNMDY said:

Yes. It was like... "Hey, I forgot you hired Bronn to kill me...". I was thinking they'd fulfill the Valenqar prophecy. It would had been so much better, and the Euron fight scene could have been discarded as well, as they could have killed him off with Drogon.

 

I completely agree with you. I mean, Jesus - that Euron scene was just awful. It made it look like Euron waiting behind that rock for Jamie to come waltzing around the corner. It was contrived nonsense that served no real purpose whatsoever. The lack of substantive dialogue during the episode was pretty disappointing as well. Everyone spoke in very simple, short sentences like they're still learning the "common tongue". 

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1 hour ago, NathanielJohn said:

Every single time where she had been "mad" previously in the show, there was a reason for it. A lot of people didn't support her burning the Tarlys (they weren't "bad guys"), but we accepted it because it made sense for her as a character to do that. Burning the Lannister loot train in Season 7 made sense since the loot train was going to be used to fund an army to try to destroy her. They could have made S08E05 make sense by giving her a tactical reason to burn the entire city, but they didn't -- the city had already surrendered before she started burning people, so the only conclusion is that she burned those people just for fun. That is not remotely the same as her actions in previous seasons.

 

As the Faulkner quote GRRM likes to recite goes: The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself. If they gave her a sensible, tactical reason to burn down the city with all the innocent people in it (whatever could that be anyway?), wouldn't that negate GRRM's ethos? I'm not a know-it-all on this matter, so I'm open to change my mind here, but isn't her clear goal to free the people from the firm grip of the tyrants? In which case, wouldn't it be far more sensible for her to actually become, without realizing it herself, a tyrant? Mad like her father, but this time, we get to see it unfold. Somewhat meekly told, as the pacing of the show is through the roof, but still?

 

If they were to make her a sensible queen, she would probably not burn the city down, and the foreshadowing would be moot. And the conflict leading up to a confrontation with Jon, Tyrion, The Onion Knight etc. would be devalued.

 

As things are right now, maybe Jon gets to stab her through the heart and become the Prince that was promised (even though it's a tad too late now that the Night King is killed anyway). At least we'll have our Azor Ahai when we can no longer have our valonqar. ^_^

 

EDIT: P.S. As I stated in my previous post, I'm not loving this show like a lot of the people who haven't read the books do, so I ultimately agree with you guys that there are many ways this show could've turned out a lot better. But even though there is much to be desired, I think the show is far better than a lot of the other shows I watch, and I really am looking forward to see how they end this show.

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1 hour ago, NathanielJohn said:

 

You're saying that there's no difference between burning thousands of civilians, who have surrendered to you and are offering you their city, and the situations in Season 2 and 6 where she burned people who were actively keeping her prisoner? Why? Because they both have the word "burn" in them?

 

Every single time where she had been "mad" previously in the show, there was a reason for it. A lot of people didn't support her burning the Tarlys (they weren't "bad guys"), but we accepted it because it made sense for her as a character to do that. Burning the Lannister loot train in Season 7 made sense since the loot train was going to be used to fund an army to try to destroy her. They could have made S08E05 make sense by giving her a tactical reason to burn the entire city, but they didn't -- the city had already surrendered before she started burning people, so the only conclusion is that she burned those people just for fun. That is not remotely the same as her actions in previous seasons.

 

Don't be antagonistic.

 

There are more instances than those you mentioned that were even listed in this very thread, all of which highlighted the conflict within her heart and at times morally questionable decisions she made.

 

I thought we'd already established I agree with pacing, narrative arcs being dropped altogether (Jaime, Varys), etc.? In other words, we're agreeing on the majority of the issues raised with the current season; we merely differ on Dany's narrative arc, and I welcome anyone and everyone to have a differing opinion than mine.

45 minutes ago, Gotakibono said:

I was actually working on set the day episode 5 was filmed and I spent the better part of a year pondering just where Jamie was running to in King's Landing. Yep, pretty underwhelming. Whatever about all the other characters and the criticisms thrown at the writing this year, they really let the whole Jamie and Cersei story whimper out.

 

But this is just my opinion, so please don't lambast me for expressing it. I will credit the last episode for its cinematography and direction - it  was feckin' phenomenal.

 

Agree with everything you said, and you need not fear anyone lambasting you for your opinion. Only a few of us are being snippy in this thread.

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WARNING

MANY PPL HERE DIDN'T READ THE ONLINE LEAKS.

DON'T POST LEAKS WITHOUT SPOILER WARNING.

THANKS.

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17 hours ago, BG_painter said:

@hsn963 wow this video...:S.!!!!!!..... Emilia's reaction.... I imagine how hard it must have been for her... accept what they did to dany....

@damon8r351 you seem to be an avid book worm, :) did you read fire & blood from GRRM? i'm planning to read that.

@ShepardNMDY READ THE BOOKS. It's better than the show.  The first book and the first season, as I said here before, imo it's one of the best book adaptations ever. 95% faithful to source material.

 

No I haven't had time. Since it's raw history, I'd imagine it'd read like the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings. Which are fine in their own right, because you get to find out how Thorin Oakenshield got his nickname (used a tree branch in place of a lost shield during a battle with orcs). No, I've been reading the works of Elizabeth Moon and David Weber, because my current thing is badass military sci fi heroines like Honor Harrington and Kylara Vatta.

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There is a petition to remake the finale season. It wont work but its clear indicator of how many people hate this season

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8 hours ago, Gibbo_0113 said:

There is a petition to remake the finale season. It wont work but its clear indicator of how many people hate this season

I saw this yesterday and it was at 174000, now it's almost as 500.000!!! i think it might reach millions!

I think they would never make another season, but at this point, I wonder, why not? 😂 💩

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thought this is funny:

 

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1 hour ago, BG_painter said:

I saw this yesterday and it was at 174000, now it's almost as 500.000!!! i think it might reach millions!

I think they would never make another season, but at this point, I wonder, why not? 1f602.png1f4a9.png

It broke 510k, and doesn't look like it'll stop any time soon

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10 hours ago, Gibbo_0113 said:

There is a petition to remake the finale season. It wont work but its clear indicator of how many people hate this season

 

I'm enjoying this season in spite of the numerous issues. I won't sign or anything but if in the unlikely event another one gets made... I'd actually love that!

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Bobby B is gonna come back with Bessie and an army of whores to kill Daenerys.

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This season is so rushed it's hard to enjoy the same way I did in the early seasons. It's like they just have a list of bullet points they want to cover and are skipping everything in between. 

 

I did see Danaerys heading in the Mad Queen direction, but even so her systematically burning down King's Landing street by street to take out all the commoners before even taking out the Red Keep did not make sense to me. Her attacking instead of sieging, yes, absolutely. If she had gone after the Red Keep after the surrender and burned it to the ground in spite of her desire to actually sit on the throne would have made sense. But there was definitely some character development missing to lead to the full war crime massacre. All they had to hint at that full 180 turn of events was her complaint about the people not rising up against Cersei. 

 

I did like the bits of Dragonfire going off while she did it, a reminder of how her father hid it around the city when he wanted to set it on fire. Seeing things from Arya's perspective too was an interesting change. I suspect Danaerys is on her list now, unless the Hound completely changed her thoughts on keeping a list. 

 

Sansa went from one of my least favorite characters to one of my favorites. She's shrewder than Tyrion these days. Wonder if he will survive the last episode. 

 

Really going to miss Tormund. 

 

I think the writing is very lacking this season. The actors are doing a magnificent job with what they have been given though. And of course the soundtrack never disappoints. 

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Just leaving this here.

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Tyrion had been my favourite character for most of the show. Now they have stripped him of all the qualities which made him my favourite. Like Sansa said "i used to think you were the cleverest man alive". Arya was my second favourite but her character has been tarnished as well. she was wasted in episode 5. Jon has been useless all season

 

I enjoyed the show a lot up until (despite the teleportation starting to begin in Season 6 or 7) the last minute of Episode 3. They just killed the NK way to early and easily. 1 minute before the NK killed theon with lightning fast reflexes but he isn't quick enough to catch a falling dagger? And then obviously we got episode 5..... still very entertaining and indeed Epic but if that is all i wanted i would watch a superhero movie.

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