Why pay-to-win is poison

[Cyvnyde]

I was just playing Unlimited in MyTEAM and met someone who had 3 Opal Galaxy cards (inc. Jordan and Paul George - who had just been released yesterday). I literally thought I was f##ked as that's like an immediate death sentence for the Unlimited trophy but I managed to get a win with a handful of Pink Diamonds, Diamonds and Amethysts.

 

I'm normally on mic and said to the guy (half-jokingly) that he must have spent a lot of money to get those cards. People that know about MyTEAM, Ultimate Team, etc. will know what I mean when a new "rare" card gets released. He said he spent 500 euros the last couple of days to get the Opal Galaxy Paul George card (just 1 card). And he's also spent a lot more money previously to get other rare cards. I told him it wasn't worth spending real money on something so meaningless but he said he wasn't very good at the game so he needed them to do well and that he "couldn't help himself" because he was a gambler.

 

I really felt bad for the guy. This is exactly the type of person that 2K, EA, etc, prey on. I cannot wait for laws to come into place to stop this toxin. It not only preys on children but also adults with gambling problems.

 

 

Edited May 11, 2019 by Cyvnyde

[TrueMrBubbles]

It's already Forbidden in Belgium and the Netherlands, and i think you r 100% right.

 

[KingGuy420]

Well here's the other side of the argument.

 

As much as EA is trying to make more money, it also gives them more money to give the game increased support and a reason too. You said the game got new cards just yesterday, do you think that extra content would've been added in without micro transactions being in the game? Hell no. If some jackass pissing away 500$ is going to get me more value for the $ that I spent, then god bless him.

 

What other people spend their money on is none of my business. A fool and his money are soon parted. Even if he didn't spend it on this he would've pissed it away on something else. I might as well get something out of it.

 

As far as paying for an advantage, that's a bit debatable too. He might be paying for an advantage right now, but in a month or two when I earn those cards myself, his advantage is gone and that 500$ is completely wasted cause he no longer has an advantage. Which is why this isn't true pay 2 win. True pay 2 win is on mobile games where people can pay for advantages that normal players just can't possibly get. That's pay 2 win, not this middle of the road crap.

 

Edited May 11, 2019 by KingGuy420

[Guest]

We need fools like them to buy these things so servers can stay a day longer man, let it be! If childrens can pay 500 a card that lasts a season or few months, man they must be filthy rich....

[Alantor32]

I like to point out the flaws in TC's plan. If laws like that come to pass, then micro-transations will also be affected and it will badly affect some of my favorite mobile games, namely Final Fantasy Brave Exvius. I don't want that happen to my favorite mobile RPG of all time. And other Gacha games will be effected by this and a lot of people will be pissed since they can't get their favorite characters if micro-transations are banned.

[qregory]

7 minutes ago, MMX20 said:

I like to point out the flaws in TC's plan. If laws like that come to pass, then micro-transations will also be affected and it will badly affect some of my favorite mobile games, namely Final Fantasy Brave Exvius. I don't want that happen to my favorite mobile RPG of all time. And other Gacha games will be effected by this and a lot of people will be pissed since they can't get their favorite characters if micro-transations are banned.

Gacha games are also cancer and I hate people who shit on people who enjoy 2k games but still play gacha.

[Alantor32]

Just now, Kezzai said:

Gacha games are also cancer and I hate people who shit on people who enjoy 2k games but still play gacha.

You can't argue that there is a lot of people who enjoyed gacha games like Final Fantasy Brave Exvius, Kantai Collection, and Fate Grand Order. If laws like what TC described passed, it will harm both the companies who made them and the games themselves.

[Cyvnyde]

I mean, I don't have a problem with microtransactions. For me, it's the microtransactions where people can (or feel they can) get ahead. If it's cosmetics, additions to games, etc. then sure. When you buy an addition or a cosmetic, you know exactly what you're buying. That is totally different to buying something where you might get what you want from that purchase.

 

If you know what, or at very least, know the odds of getting what you want from what you're purchasing, then I don't see a problem. There's a reason these companies don't disclose odds. It's the same reason that people get addicted to it.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Cyvnyde

[MidnightDragon]

A bill was introduced in the US to make this illegal, but don't think it'll go anywhere.

[Caesar Clown]

Gambling and spending money on lootboxes are two different things. Gambling can win you money back, and it's the thrill of the win people become addicted to. Opening a lootbox gets you nothing in real life, and it doesn't guarantee a win, so it can't be seen as gambling at all. It does share a lack of self-control with gambling, but that's it.

[dakk55]

 

 

That's all I have to say, folks.

[djb5f]

3 hours ago, Cyvnyde said:

I was just playing Unlimited in MyTEAM and met someone who had 3 Opal Galaxy cards (inc. Jordan and Paul George - who had just been released yesterday). I literally thought I was f##ked as that's like an immediate death sentence for the Unlimited trophy but I managed to get a win with a handful of Pink Diamonds, Diamonds and Amethysts.

 

I'm normally on mic and said to the guy (half-jokingly) that he must have spent a lot of money to get those cards. People that know about MyTEAM, Ultimate Team, etc. will know what I mean when a new "rare" card gets released. He said he spent 500 euros the last couple of days to get the Opal Galaxy Paul George card (just 1 card). And he's also spent a lot more money previously to get other rare cards. I told him it wasn't worth spending real money on something so meaningless but he said he wasn't very good at the game so he needed them to do well and that he "couldn't help himself" because he was a gambler.

 

I really felt bad for the guy. This is exactly the type of person that 2K, EA, etc, prey on. I cannot wait for laws to come into place to stop this toxin. It not only preys on children but also adults with gambling problems.

 

 

 

I hear you in some ways and it is bad for kids/people who don’t have proper restraint which is a lot of people considering how many live in debt.  On the other hand, many have a lot of disposable income so if they want to spend it on that, who am I to knock them.  We all have our vices.

 

If you want a totally even playing field, you can play Versus, but I am sure most pick the same few teams.  But for any Ultimate Team (My Team) game, it is about grinding and playing the Auction House or dropping some coin.

[grimydawg___]

@Cyvnyde I told you there will be trouble, didn't I  Folks easily spend thousands on these modes on this game and other sports games as well.  YouTube folks spend at least $10K/year for these cards.  Like I said before, just play the game a bit to get you some solid diamond and/or pink diamond players and you should be fine for the most part.  You're going to have to take advantage of the auction house and grind.  Some folks don't mind doing that and try to collect as many cards as possible.  That's what I do.  Also, try to knock out the Ultimate Team/MyTeam trophies as early as possible.  There aren't going to be cards of that kind until this time of the year, and you can have a little more fun trying out cards.  

Edited May 11, 2019 by grimydawg

[panikooooos]

In my opinion yes, pay to win shit, microtransactions, lootboxes all suck but it's kinda like Pandora's box. You can't put the genie back in the bottle, we got to accept that we have to live in this disgusting era where shit like this is popular. You could get the government to try and regulate it but I think they'll do more harm than good in the end (as they tend to).

[Sanetsuken]

Pay to win is shit.

I don't feel pity for the morons that go for it either.

Worse yet, some people defend this practice by "but this is how they add content to the game".

Honestly, If you can't add content at a flat price (like oh i dunno, expansion packs of old), then your content is piecemeal and shit. And also just continuing the circle of greed because we know damn well that content added by way of pay to win will also be pay to win.

 

It also efficiently slows down any grind down to a halt, forcing you to wait or repeat levels more times than necessary because after all if you're not paying you shouldn't have fun.

 

That is to say if there's a free to play game with MT's, I'm all for it. I'm not against having A way to monetize a game, but I damn well will oppose a game sold at a premium which then has shit like it tacked on to it. I don't understand the gacha crowd, but that's their schtick and i'm not putting my nose anywhere near. Unless they pay money to access the game to begin with. Then fuck them too.

[Alantor32]

13 minutes ago, Sanetsuken said:

Pay to win is shit.

I don't feel pity for the morons that go for it either.

Worse yet, some people defend this practice by "but this is how they add content to the game".

Honestly, If you can't add content at a flat price (like oh i dunno, expansion packs of old), then your content is piecemeal and shit. And also just continuing the circle of greed because we know damn well that content added by way of pay to win will also be pay to win.

 

It also efficiently slows down any grind down to a halt, forcing you to wait or repeat levels more times than necessary because after all if you're not paying you shouldn't have fun.

 

That is to say if there's a free to play game with MT's, I'm all for it. I'm not against having A way to monetize a game, but I damn well will oppose a game sold at a premium which then has shit like it tacked on to it. I don't understand the gacha crowd, but that's their schtick and i'm not putting my nose anywhere near. Unless they pay money to access the game to begin with. Then fuck them too.

I take offense to that because I love Final Fantasy Brave Exvius, one of the best gacha games of all time.

[NaseemJohn]

So an individual makes a poor decision by spending hundreds of dollars on micro transactions and it’s somehow EA’s fault?

 

We need to start holding people accountable for their actions instead of looking for someone to blame. When someone goes into the casino and loses all of their money it’s not the casino’s fault, heck I’ve even seen dealers at the casino tell people they should take the money they won and leave but of course they do the opposite. 

 

I don’t mind cosmetic micro transactions or timesavers but I do agree that pay to win is pretty shit but still it’s up to the individual to decide wether to partake or not. 

Edited May 11, 2019 by NaseemJohn

[Parker]

Nine reports in the queue for this thread alone, holy shit. This one is closed until I have the time to clean it up. 

 

 

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