The Proposal to Fixing the Platinum Trophy: The Ribbon System

[GravityQueeen]

21 minutes ago, TheLakota said:

No offense, but this is silly. I don't need someone else telling me whether my trophy is worth a damn or not; it means something to me, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered earning it in the first place. 

 

Seems like this is only meant to appease the elitists. 

 

I think it's a really strong point against the ribbon system implementation!

 

I support the ribbon system, but this comment I just quoted makes me believe that "seeing" ribbons could be optional from user to user, something you could adjust in the settings, even though I don't know if that would be possible once the ribbons would be attached to the tool bar.

 

Edit: I was re-reading some of BlindMango's replies and, yeah, the ribbons wouldn't be optional, we wouldn't be able to switch it on and off.

 

Another thing: it's kinda sad realizing that 100% games (without platinums) wouldn't be taken in consideration for both ribbons count. It's another matter to be discussed.

Edited June 7, 2019 by GravityQueeen

[Cleggworth]

Eurgh this looks awful. We already had a stat on the profile that was a measure of this, average rarity, but it was taken off.  Why not finish the series feature first?  Why not add any number of heavily requested features? Mark unobtainables, filter options for gaming sessions, merge forums/guides for different regions/platforms... Has this even been asked for?

 

Also  @BlindMango considering this is still only a suggestion shouldn't the poll include a "I don't like this idea" option? You said sly was looking for feedback on the idea. Feedback on the idea in general or just where your ribbon of effort sits?

Edited June 7, 2019 by Cleggworth

[Danny_Johansen]

@BlindMango

Any chance of allowing 100% games to give Ribbons of rarity? There are a lot of games without a platinum that take more effort than games with a platinum.

[FawltyPowers]

I like this feature and it's potential, finally something for those of us that put hours of effort into challenging games.

 

I think 75% is a good figure to use, exactly as stated in the OP. Platinums over 75% are usually throw away games that can be done in under an hour, these are the games that are trivialising the trophy system. 50-75% will take some effort, albeit minimal in some cases but they're not the games being targeted.

 

The best part of this is knowing that there are ideas being implemented on this site. The site has been so quiet with new updates for so long. Excellent.

[AlchemistWer]

So, even if a game requiere more than 100+ hours in order to earn the platinum like YS games, Persona, Trails of Cold, Tales of Zestiria, grace or even Sword art online hollow realization, etc., those games go inside the category of the ribbon of effort? if I'm correct 75% is very high. For example Tales of Grace need at least 110 hours in order to earn all, hollow realiziation is a grind hell game and even Persona 4 and 5 that are actually easy games demand a lot of time and the rarity is 6% and almost 10%. Maybe a good percentage could be 50% or maybe less in my opinion to get a ribbon of effort... Because a lot of game that no requiere a lot effort with around just 30 hours to earnd all playing on easy difficulty like Atelier Firis has 27% of rarity (uncommon).

 

Maybe another ribbon could be a good choice, maybe with a range between 5% to 15%, because I can't put together two games inside the same ribbon system when one of them demand more effort, time and investigation (read walktrough, forums, trophy guide, a lot of missables, etc.)

[Cleggworth]

4 hours ago, BlindMango said:

 

They'd show up on every profile similar to completion percentage and it's up to the profile owner to find them useful or not to how they play

 

 

In addition to my previous comment. Why doesn't this statement apply to the average rarity stat? It appeared on the profile as a stat to cover exactly the same as this does. "Easy trophies Vs hard trophies" yet everybody got their knickers in a twist about dlc rarity so now we've got a completely made up number for all dlc trophies. Why not change that back to what it should be and say "deal with it" to them?

[Gibbo_0113]

I would like to see this implemented. Having the MAX at 75% kinda defeats the purpose though so my vote goes to MAX 50% (even this still includes some telltale games). I'd actually say 30% but its not an option to pick. 

[Baker]

I’m against these ribbons. Veto.

 

I guess that’s it. We’re done here.

[Vergil]

Cool idea, I like it

[danc]

I'll be honest, not a fan at all of this. People can be toxic enough without a badge of shame/pride at the very top of everyones profile. It's a nice idea in theory but I feel it'll descend into elitism very quickly.

[WigIsTheBest]

Wheres the option to say I dont like it and to opt out of it? Just cause Sony doesn't have any credibility to their trophy lists anymore doesn't mean we should start naming and shaming people for playing certain games.

 

If we get this badge, I want the next one to be a filter for anyone who plays a VN or anime game with the ribbon titled Kiddy Fiddler, cause it's basically what Sony are insinuating,  so why don't we

[Stardroid]

First, thank you for taking the time out to think this system out. I am a fan and I definitely approve of it. Lastly, do not get sucked in by the doom and gloom crowd. If they want to play crap games for their own epeen, that's fine. I fully agree that the lack of quality control has given a big hit to the trophy system in itself. Notice how the only people moaning are the ones who basically buy a turd for an easy fix (plat). I think, if we want to value trophy hunting and this leaderboard, not only is this a good step to take, but also a necessary one. I sincerely hope you will pull through with this plan of yours as it is exactly what the leaderboard needs.

 

The ridiculous idea that people will turn into ToXiC EliTiSts can stay away. No way is this going to happen and to counter that point, I think your suggestion may even counter some of the negativity that's been going on. There has been quite some debate on the topic of easy plat games. Supposedly, the people who plat these games don't do it for the platinums! Good news for these people, you can still buy these games, you can still plat them, but you get 0 for effort, as you should. These people are often crusaders for having fun. This Ribbon system surely won't get in the way of you having fun with your 20 minute button masher games.

 

In this sense, the Ribbon system will please all. The people who play these games still get to play them and have fun. The people who value the leaderboard win too. It's a win win. Notice how some people feel like it is "shaming". This is them inherently saying that it is shameful to buy and plat these games. This Ribbon won't change anything then for them. As they deem it as shameful regardless of the Ribbons.

 

One final point I would like to add to that is by implementing the Ribbon system, you may directly and indirectly influence the quality of video games. I know for certain that less and less people will buy low effort terrible games and hopefully it contributes to these types of games dying out. Maybe we can focus on making some actual decent friggin games again then as well.

Edited June 7, 2019 by STARLOVE

[WakeUpHP]

I love the idea, and none of the arguments I've read here against the proposal are at all convincing.  There's still the question of 100% games but I suppose that can always be addressed at a later date.

[thefourfoldroot]

9 minutes ago, WakeUpHP said:

I love the idea, and none of the arguments I've read here against the proposal are at all convincing.  There's still the question of 100% games but I suppose that can always be addressed at a later date.

This.

Just to emphasise again, I'm not an elitist, a completionist, or anything else. I have crap plats and autopop plats, alongside 200hr investment games. I'd like a way to show how many of each I have. A nice little ribbon for a hard plat is all good, it's not like you are looking to give out cowpat awards for our easy ones.

[sephiroth4424]

I'd rather see a leaderboard where every trophy with rarity above 50% count for zero points

[voodoo_eyes]

Without wanting to offend anyone,I'm going to be really blunt here.

 

It's a lazy as hell way of bypassing an implementation of an actual rarity leaderboard. I'd rather not have cut corners just to put something out, that appeases people that are more obsessed with other people's profiles than their own.

 

If other sites can do a variety of leaderboards, then there's no excuse that this site can't do it as well. It may not be accurate, but then again none of these leaderboards are as they don't include every single profile to begin with. Furthermore there should be an option to vote against this system.

 

Not to mention there shouldn't be any new stuff implemented until other things that have been on the to-do list have been checked off. New gimmicky nonsense gets added, while things that should be higher priority keep getting pushed back. There's still stuff to be done from when the server was switched and broke half of the features on the site... and that's been years ago by now. Once all that is done, then start thinking about implementing new things, not before.

 

For those who don't know what I'm referring to, here it is, burried in the forums somewhere. (This should actually still be stickied btw... as it's far from being done)

 

Also, when it's implemented (as it's clearly not a matter of if, but when), don't clutter the profile with them things, and instead chuck them where the premum member "P" and the hidden games "H" are on the profiles. Considering that there's already a thought on adding more than those inital two, it'll be only a matter of time until the profiles look like a collection medieval of banners.

Edited June 7, 2019 by voodoo_eyes

[Kristycism]

I do like the idea of showing when a profile has effort put into it, but I'm not personally sure that ribbons on the top bar is the best way to go about it? It seems like it's too easy to use it as a "only X% of your games had any effort put into them, therefore you are not worthy of my attention and your opinion on all things trophy-related is worthless" type situation. I dunno though. I personally only care about my own profile (and have never played any of the games that I know are at the core of why action needs to be taken) and am probably more of a completionist than a trophy hunter so

 

However, I do have an alternative suggestion to the ribbon system which will still quickly show the same information at a glance for those who care about it, without needing to force judgement on anyone right at the top of the page.

 

We already have the box on out profiles that shows our rarest trophies - why not create a kind of drop-down box which allows to quickly switch to rarest Plats on the fly, right on the profile page?

 

Like so (but with a drop-down box or something to switch between them, I just couldn't be bothered drawing one in):

(used my own profile and now feel self-concious on how many uncommon trophies/plats I have compared to everything else...I've never paid attention to it before...time to get more URs)

 

Having it that way would mean that profiles are largely left unaffected (for those who are opposed to the idea) whilst still allowing those who want to see those kind of statistics to view them with just two button clicks (one to open the drop down, and one to select the option).

 

I just think the ribbon system is a dangerous road to go down, that leads to alienation and elitism.

 

 

Also, side note - I do like the look of the ribbons, they're very pretty, but they don't match at all with the rest of the top bar, so if they're going to be placed there, I don't think the design works and would need to be simplified much more to fit with the other icons, or they'll stand out way too much. That may just be my personal opinion though.

[FilmFanatic]

9 minutes ago, Kristycism said:

Snip because nobody likes scrolling a really long page when people quote an entire post and reply with just a few words.

This is a far better idea in my opinion. In fact this would save me the effort of going to a persons trophy log, selecting plats and then going through and seeing how many they have under each rarity. Not to mention people have asked in the past about displaying their 5 rarest plats over their 5 rarest trophies because (like me) their 5 rarest trophies can all be from the same game.

[KURORISING]

This is a really good idea! and I hope there will be some kind of leaderboard for this

 

But I have a suggestion :

 

From what I read (the first page of the topic) you said that the "Ribbon of Rarity" will not count games that doesn't have a platinum trophy , wouldn't that discourage people from playing Hard 100% games? Maybe the "Ribbon Of Rarity" should count the 100% games that are below 5% rarity with the Ultra Rare Platinums? (Plats below 5% rarity) . 

 

I think this would be a nice addition . Thanks for your hard work on the site!?

[panikooooos]

I'm all for this

[pinkrobot_pb]

1 hour ago, STARLOVE said:

The people who value the leaderboard win too.

 
I would like to know what makes you think that. It sounds good, it really does, but I am curious how that would work. Because as far as I can see, these are just some extra ribbons on your profile. I don't think this idea is fleshed out enough for them to be implemented, but if they were, I would just choose to not really care about them. One thing I would never feel obliged to do is increase those numbers by playing certain games and not playing other games.

 

It's a bit like the other idea put forward here a couple of times where you would have a ribbon showing how many times you are the first or fastest achiever. In my situation those would always stay at 0. For starters, I do not have the time or the talent. I also simply do not attribute any value to it. So I will just choose not to care. Just like plat stackers do not care about their rarity and will therefor not care about these new ribbons either.

 

Anyway, let's not get too annoyed with each other over this because in the end Sly would need to do the work so the chances of this happening any time soon are slim to none.

[Carol]

I don’t mind this being implemented, but 75% is definitely too high. It should be 50% or 55%. I voted 55% just not to be too punishing to some games.

[Gommes_]

5 hours ago, TheLakota said:

No offense, but this is silly. I don't need someone else telling me whether my trophy is worth a damn or not; it means something to me, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered earning it in the first place. 

 

Seems like this is only meant to appease the elitists. 

 

Well, trophy hunting was always an elitist hobby. I mean before a new type of player entered the field and complained about the elitists. I really like this system, it's just another stat.

Isn't one of the mantras of people who only play super easy games that "everyone should just play what they want and not care about others"?

This could also apply to the ribbons. Just "don't care".

[Crispy_Oglop]

I like this idea, I also think that it's possibly a direction Sony will have to take of their own accord during the PS5 life-cycle.

 

I personally think that the current Playstation trophy structure isn't sustainable at all. I'd love to see a prestige levelling system. Where every 100 Platinums you reset to 0 but you gain a Prestige level.

[DaivRules]

The percentage should be 62.20%. That way ALL my Platinums will count.