damon8r351 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Simple yes or no question. Answer with your heart. I'll tell you where I'm going with this later. Or I won't. Keep it civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyswfc9 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Depends.. Do cheats disable trophies. Yes... then yeah ive got a problem with them In all seriousness its a no no in multiplayer but single player its up to there own personal preference Edited July 2, 2019 by dannyswfc9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLakota Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Cheating, like most social issues, is not a matter of black or white. I voted yes as I do boost, though I know where this thread is going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danny_Johansen Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Singleplayer yes Multiplayer no I don't care if people cheat in single player games. It is all about having fun but don't do it online. You just ruin it for everyone else. Edited June 29, 2019 by Danny_Johansen 44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLakota Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Danny_Johansen said: Singleplayer no Multiplayer yes I don't care if people cheat in single player games. It is all about having fun but don't do it online. You just ruin it for everyone else. You need to flip your answers as the question was "is cheating okay in gaming?" If you feel cheating is okay in some instances, did you refrain from voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SkyMason Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 Too vague, you need to at least clarify some things. Would I cheat if I felt the game was unfair? Would I cheat if it blocked out trophies? Single player? Multiplayer? etc. If you feel the need to 'clarify' what you actually mean after the point and after we've all answered then the original question is redundant... 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartolomeus Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Is boosting cheating, or using glitches, bugs, cheeses etc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 For single player games? Sure, turn on that infinite ammo 360 noscoping aimbot while you down Doritos and mountain dew all day every day! Multiplayer games against other players? no, just no. How bad are you against other players that you have to turn on cheats to win???? The worst skilled players are the ones turning on the cheats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfBambam55 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 sure...i would say the exception is a competitive environment...no cheating in comps, please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kristycism Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 You should really add a third option for "it depends". Because, really, for most people it will all depend on circumstances. It also depends on what people consider as "cheating". Is reading a guide cheating? Is boosting cheating? Is getting someone else to do it for you cheating? Or is hacking the only thing that's cheating? To me, personally, if it doesn't affect other people, I don't see the harm in it. But if it can have an impact on others, then absolutely I think it's a problem. So for single player games, people can cheat away all they want, it doesn't affect me so I don't care. But for multiplayer games where you could give yourself an advantage over others (e.g. unlimited health, super weapons not available in-game, aimbots, whatever), it is never okay, and never will be in my book. I'd argue cheating to get trophies does affect other people, by messing up leaderboards here or on other similar trophy tracking websites. If you don't partake in those sites, and keep your profile private, then whatever, do as you please. Yes, sites like this are for hobbyists, who you could argue take trophies too seriously. But whether or not that's true, we still need to all be on even grounds for it or it's unfair on others who play by the rules. As for what constitutes cheating - in my opinion, so long as you're not doing anything that wouldn't otherwise be possible within the game environment as it was made by the developers, it's not cheating. So, taking advantage of glitches (including downgrading games to a point where the glitch still existed) is fine, as it's the developers who put them there (unintentionally). Similarly, there's nothing within the game stopping you from getting a boosting partner and taking turns killing each other for a few hours to grind out a trophy without it coming naturally, so that's fine. Getting someone else to do it for you I'd argue was cheating, but at least it was still done legitimately, just not by you (and really, you're only cheating yourself there, as you'll always know you didn't really do it and are a (harmless) fraud). And obviously using external software in any way (resigning saves, using mods, whatver) is 100% cheating. Anyway, I didn't vote because I don't know what I'd be answering as you were too vague. If you want a healthy discussion, you should really clarify up front, rather than after the fact. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheYuriG Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 Cheating is OK as long as you aren't negatively affecting anyone else, that's the bottom of the line. Cheating in single player games is fine if your score isn't being posted to any leaderboard nor you are bragging about completing something that you did actually not. Cheating in multiplayer is also ok if no one in the lobby finds an issue with that and that doesn't impact your online stats etc. Bottom line is, alterating data from a game, in any shape or form, is completely valid as long as it doesn't provide anyone any significant advantage/perks over other people. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirtualNight Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I bet a drama will begin soon here Cheating is ok in Single player modes where you don't disturb anyone, but if you bring that shit into multiplayer modes then definitely no, it isn't. Warhawk was quite full of people using various glitches and that was not fun for the many people that were just trying to enjoy the game, and the same thing applies to many other games. (I assume "cheating" as usage of glitches & exploits) Crapidummy would have gone crazy here though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr_0zt Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 For trophies? Don't care so long you aren't outright hacking the game/ system (it's ok if the trophy is bs ?). But when it comes to actual gameplay, I'm not ok with it unless it's against another cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post realm722 Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 I voted "no". But do these things count as "cheating"? * Playing against someone online and they intentionally let you win so you get a trophy quickly * Exploiting a save/load feature that allows you to endlessly escape deaths/your mistakes while playing * Utilizing a duplication or some other "glitch" that's in the game to get through things faster Those are all shortcuts, but I don't think they're legitimate cheating as you aren't hacking or using 3rd party services to move your way up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jdizzle0420 Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godo Fwar Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Yes and no, depending on the circumstances. Exploiting glitches for trophies due to a game dev's fault is fine. I've even done it myself. But when you're against people online and you resort to underhanded tactics because you can't win, that's not okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datboy1991 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) In competitive play, hell no. If somebody cheats in an MMO or multiplayer game to give themselves a real advantage, I’m all for companies that put their foot down and ban. I played Elder Scrolls Online for a long time and I’ve seen cheating for content clears, scores on leaderboards, PVP, people using bots/modded consoles to farm materials, etc. I always reported it when it was going on. In speedrunning, meh. I only follow glitchless categories because that’s what interests me, but some people like categories where glitches/cheats are allowed. If that’s your thing, I won’t rain on your parade. To each their own. As long as the speedrunner is following the rules of the category they have chosen, it’s not a big deal. In single player games, do whatever the hell you want. You are only affecting your own experience if you trivialize a game, and whether or not it’s worth it is up to the person. Edited June 29, 2019 by Datboy1991 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German_Atheist Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Since nobody gets hurt: Yes, it's okay. People take this hobby way too serious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IoIly Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, Bartoulum said: Is boosting cheating, or using glitches, bugs, cheeses etc? Is using guides cheating? O_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofa King Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I voted yes but with the conditions that it not affect anyone else, such as in a MP environment. Basically anything the game will allow you to do without manipulating it by some means outside of what is possible in game, like hacking or game saves, is fine by me. A glitch or exploit isn't cheating if the game let's you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IoIly Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sofa King said: I voted yes but with the conditions that it not affect anyone else, such as in a MP environment. Basically anything the game will allow you to do without manipulating it by some means outside of what is possible in game, like hacking or game saves, is fine by me. A glitch or exploit isn't cheating if the game let's you do it. You can get ban in some games for using glitches or exploits. For example in Four Kings Casino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouIXReaper Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 There's a huge gray area with this debate. Boosting could technically be considered "cheating", but it's obviously not the same kind of cheating as people who mod their online games or hack game saves to unlock trophies. Plus boosting is a mutual agreement between 2 or more gamers, although it could be said you're cheating the leaderboards and such. We need to clarify what we mean by cheating. It used to hardly be a concern before the trophy/achievement system came around. If trophies truly have value attached to them then it could be seen as more of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LucianaRosethorn Posted June 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2019 Either way I say no. I really don't see the point in cheating, if you have to cheat then you probably shouldn't be playing games. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphioon Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, IoIly said: Is using guides cheating? O_O I think it can be if you were doing some blind run competition or you were participating in a specific game via a community that has that outlined as a transgression in the rules. I think trying to tie down "cheating" (Extremely broad word, i didn't even bother answering the poll) to a universal set of bulletpoints is a mistake. I'm fine with people having their own personal code on what they consider cheating or not that they apply to themselves or other people who willingly accept their rules, but i hope these people can also respect the many other communities on what they consider legitimate or cheating as long as said communities themselves aren't infringing on another. If you want an example of communities with very wild views on what is considered legit play or cheating in a game look up Ocarina of Time on speedrun(dot)com, they have many categories on speedruns that have many absurd rules, and to consider what these people do 'cheating' in their respective games and categories is in my opinion, quite a narrow viewpoint. Edited June 29, 2019 by Orphioon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLakota Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, LucianaRosethorn said: Either way I say no. I really don't see the point in cheating, if you have to cheat then you probably shouldn't be playing games. You're right. Run for office instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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