Should Big Leagues be a flaggable trophy?

[Sinthoras_96]

4 hours ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

I believe the arguement for borderlands modded equipment is that, technically, you still have to perform the actions for the trophy requirements.  Nothing gets autopopped

 

But let's be honest, it's not like Big League was much effort to achieve. You just had to play one MP match in that mode to receive a rank. 

 

If someone would earn ALL the other trophies legit and then use that glitch to achieve big league, I couldn't care less. 

 

The people who get their trophies hacked would still get flagged, because a Hacker will also unlock all the DLC Trophies for example. This methode would only apply for people who earned 99% legit and really deserved the 100%/plat. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Sinthoras_96

[charxsetsuna]

The defense for red dead redemption is that anyone can do it even if it's much easier to do. But theatre mode for cod which would be literally the same thing where its easier but everyone can do it if they choose. 

 

If red dead is ignored then so should this if the theatre method is proven to work. That or start flagging red dead, at least stay consistent.

 

Edited June 7, 2020 by charxsetsuna

[tony_snake_24]

8 hours ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

I believe the arguement for borderlands modded equipment is that, technically, you still have to perform the actions for the trophy requirements.  Nothing gets autopopped

 

Well, if theater mode wasn't taken down, that is what would happen. Yes you intetionally watch some video and that puts you in a league, but then you go and win some matches. No autopopping in this case for this specific trophy. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by tony_snake_24
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[CriesOfFurya]

I think this newly re-discovered solution for this trophy has been put in a bit of a bad light here. I see this as an opportunity to get countless players here the chance to finally finish the Call of Duty game series, as every single installment, other than BO2, is still possible. I do not see this as a chance for everyone who ran into a hacker online, suddenly trying to justify unlocking half of the trophies for the game within 30seconds.

 

We just have to be very strict about what would be allowed with this new method:

1. Big Leagues needs to be the last trophy you unlock for the 100% in the game, no exceptions. Not Big Leagues and 3 other trophies at once, just Big Leagues.

2. People who joined a hacked lobby and unlocked all trophies that way, still need to delete the user before those trophies are synched and then they can try it again, until everything but Big Leagues has been unlocked regularly.

 

I do realise that this was not intended by the devs and that it's not an ideal solution for this problem, but it's definitely a justifiable one. We as a trophy hunter community have been striving to find different methods to salvage some of these unobtainable games and we have had quite the success with games like Unreal Tournament, Bulletstorm and much more. I know that in these games you can still perform all the actions actually needed to unlock he trophies, eventhough you are not playing on the "offical" servers anymore. With this game we would be indeed saving 30mins because you don't actually have to play those 5 placement matches, but that completely pales in comparison to unlocking all these other trophies in the game, which will porbably take well over 100hrs for most players.

 

We as a community have been abusing features like that for years, only difference is that they were just in-game glitches and this one is a bit more unorthodox. Examples for that:

Wolfenstein leaderboard copy, Far Cry 2 level 30 glitch, resetting games to their original 1.00 version and making things easier (like Rainbow Six for example), dev menus in the likes of Jax 2/ Conan etc and countless more exploits. This one is no different in the time saving department, even if it has a shady origin with someone that originally created this menu.

 

I think under a stricly gouverned regime this could be a great opportunity to finally get many interested players this trophy, while they still finish 99,5% of this great game normally. The same is basically already happening with the whitelisting of the Run Like the Wind trophy in GTA V (PS3) and I say that it's a more modern and less strict way of looking at making some of these unobtainable trophies possible again.

Furthermore I'm pretty sure that a majority of the plaers who already got the 100% for this game years ago, would not mind this method at all, since we still have to complete practically the whole 100%, going for a lenghty single player with some annoying challenges, prestiging once and getting some quite challenging Zombies trophies.

 

 

I mean what reason would there be to be truly against this? Everything can be done by yourself without having to use any external hardware, just owning the game and a PS3 will easily get you this trophy, if done in the correct way. I'm pretty sure that everyone who ever 100%ed this game will know, that Big Leagues is not a trophy that would stand in anyones way and I think it would deserve the same respect, as anyone who was lucky enough to get the trophy back in the days when it was still possible. If there was another way, anyone who is able to get 100% in this game, would just load up the league mode and simply play 5 matches. I mean you could even just idle them. 

12 hours ago, Wh0kZone said:

I got flagged one year ago because I got the Big Leagues trophy and some other trophies when playing online. A Hacker gave them to me.

But i had the hardest trophies done by myself and a good Team of zombie players. (I did all Zombies trophies before legit).

And it SUCKS SO HARD for me that I have to hide this game. ITS A SHAME. It was one of my first PS3 Games and one of my first games where i ever got trophies. I put a lot of time in this game and now for what...? TO HIDE IT. But i dont want to. I am proud of my trophies in my favorite Call Of Duty Franchise -> Black Ops.

I have BO3 and BO4 100% and in a few weeks I will have BO1 100% too. Again, IT SUCKS so hard for me that I have to hide it...

And now my question: I got flagged ONE DAY after I got the Big Leagues Trophy..

SO WHY THE HELL YOU DONT FLAG THE OTHERS? So many people get the trophy week for week. I can not understand this

Can someone Explain?

It would be fair to flag EVERYBODY.

And if not, please take the flag away from me!

 

Greetz.

 

11 hours ago, dtb345 said:

I really feel it should not be flagged my only flagged trophy and i got it because i joined a hack lobby and he gave it to everyone in the lobby.

I'm truly sorry, but you two unlocked way more trophies than just Big Leagues and the platinum at the same time. All of those are perfectly achievable and you should have left the game, backed up all your savefiles and then deleted the user. It would have taken you like 5-6hrs to do that, but you should not have synched the trophies to your account like this. I know it's a nuisance and unfair that a random did that to you, but you should have handeled it differently. 

 

These kind of situations are not the ones that we as a community want to justify with this theatre mode method. Me and others are just interested in finlly being able to get all the CoDs done and this is a golden opportunity for that.

3 hours ago, tony_snake_24 said:

Well, if theater mode wasn't taken down, that is what would happen. Yes you intetionally watch some video and that puts you in a league, but then you go and win some matches. No autopopping in this case for this specific trophy. 

The theater mode is up and running. This method works RIGHT NOW and it is a way to unlock Big Leagues as your last trophy... 

Edited June 7, 2020 by CriesOfFurya

[SnowxSakura]

6 hours ago, charxsetsuna said:

The defense for red dead redemption is that anyone can do it even if it's much easier to do. But theatre mode for cod which would be literally the same thing where its easier but everyone can do it if they choose. 

 

If red dead is ignored then so should this if the theatre method is proven to work. That or start flagging red dead, at least stay consistent.

 

The method for red dead has been removed from the guide, and the bodies have been gone for quite awhile now, so afaik it's not possible to use that anymore.

[DaivRules]

12 hours ago, Wh0kZone said:

IT SUCKS so hard for me that I have to hide it...

And now my question: I got flagged ONE DAY after I got the Big Leagues Trophy..

SO WHY THE HELL YOU DONT FLAG THE OTHERS?

1. You don’t have to hide it. 
 

2. Others are getting flagged. 

[Potent_Delusions]

Another example is the Buzz QUIZ TV patch exploit where it literally awarded you every non-hidden trophy in the game in a row and you did absolutely nothing. 

 

This should be allowed since everyone can use it. Hell, even make it so you have to inform the website of your intention to use this method to unlock Big Leagues before doing it if necessary if that'd make it more feasible. It should be seen as a workaround to publisher negligence rather than sleezy behaviour. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Potent_Delusions

[Agent_Renegade22]

18 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

The method for red dead has been removed from the guide, and the bodies have been gone for quite awhile now, so afaik it's not possible to use that anymore.

I recently completed 100% on RDR (I had the platinum since 2017 but I only needed dlcs trophies), and I can tell you is still possible to speed up the process to rank 50 because some of my boosting buddies entered accidentally in hacked sessions more than once and were able to do the glitch again.

[charxsetsuna]

20 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

The method for red dead has been removed from the guide, and the bodies have been gone for quite awhile now, so afaik it's not possible to use that anymore.

I meant flagging people who got it in the past. I personally think it's ridiculous, but if it has to happen for the rules to be consistent then it has to happen.

[Wh0kZone]

23 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

1. You don’t have to hide it. 
 

2. Others are getting flagged. 

"Others", but not all! Damn that is not fair!

You are a Moderator, go and look for the 50 last archievers of Big Leagues Trophy!

Since August 2019 there are 50 people who got the trophy.

Why can 50 people (and much More since December 2015, but we can only See the latest 50 archievers) get the trophy without getting flagged!!

 

It is not fair! Some people get a flag, and some not. Why? Are they paying Money?

Flag EVERYBODY who got the trophy! Damn what is so hard to understand. If 50 people and more can get it without a flag, why not me ???

Please flag everybody or take the flag away from me, please.

Edited June 7, 2020 by Wh0kZone
i Wrote monet and not money

[charxsetsuna]

Just now, Wh0kZone said:

"Others", but not all! Damn that is not fair!

You are a Moderator, go and look for the 50 last archievers of Big Leagues Trophy!

Since August 2019 there are 50 people who got the trophy.

Why can 50 people (and much More since December 2015, but we can only See the latest 50 archievers) get the trophy without getting flagged!!

 

It is not fair! Some people get a flag, and some not. Why? Are they paying Monet?

Flag EVERYBODY who got the trophy! Damn what is so hard to understand. If 50 people and more can get it without a flag, why not me ???

Please flag everybody or take the flag away from me, please.

Theres a lot of flags for the CRT to get through, the other peoples flags might still be in the queue.

[Wh0kZone]

In the queue since august 2019....damn they are busy....

My flag took them only one or two days

Edited June 7, 2020 by Wh0kZone

[charxsetsuna]

5 minutes ago, Wh0kZone said:

In the queue since august 2019....damn they are busy....

My flag took them only one or two days

Yeah that doesnt make much sense and is a bit odd. But there could  be valid reasons why it is that way.

Edited June 7, 2020 by charxsetsuna

[DaivRules]

5 minutes ago, Wh0kZone said:

In the queue since august 2019....damn they are busy....

My flag took them only one or two days

That’s not how this works.

 

When were those profiles added to the site? How long can you show they’ve been showing on here with the trophy on their profile? 
 

What’s the volume of new people being added daily to the site that have that trophy on their profile?

 

Others are getting flagged. Stop with the dramatics. 

[AJ_-_808]

7 hours ago, Sinthoras_96 said:

But let's be honest, it's not like Big League was much effort to achieve. You just had to play one MP match in that mode to receive a rank. 

 

If someone would earn ALL the other trophies legit and then use that glitch to achieve big league, I couldn't care less. 

 

The people who get their trophies hacked would still get flagged, because a Hacker will also unlock all the DLC Trophies for example. This methode would only apply for people who earned 99% legit and really deserved the 100%/plat. 

 

If it was the very last trophy, I'd say it's fair game, but the people running this site say otherwise.  Certain games/trophies should be allowed some wiggle room in my opinion, especially when it has no significant impact on the leaderboards anyway.

[SnowxSakura]

1 minute ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

If it was the very last trophy, I'd say it's fair game, but the people running this site say otherwise.  Certain games/trophies should be allowed some wiggle room in my opinion, especially when it has no significant impact on the leaderboards anyway.

As long as they let Hakoom freely on the leaderboards with his out of order dead to rights that should be flagged, everyone else should be free game too

[CriesOfFurya]

14 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

If it was the very last trophy, I'd say it's fair game, but the people running this site say otherwise.  Certain games/trophies should be allowed some wiggle room in my opinion, especially when it has no significant impact on the leaderboards anyway.

That's exactly what I mean. Surely the community on here doesn't see this as such a horrible thing, right? This trophy has been unotainable for quite a while now and it's a very popular game that people are not able to do. That Zombie mode on this game is absolutely fantastic, but no almost no one wants to add an unobtainable game to their list just to play it, completionist or not. 

 

Why not give the opportunity to us so we can finally go for a game we desperately want to play.? What would be the harm if someone unlocks the trophy as their very last trophy this way? They don't deserve it because they weren't lucky enough to unlock that particular trophy years ago, eventhough there is a "fix" for it now? Surely most people that unlocked this trophy back then would agree just how much of a joe this trophy is, right?

[DaivRules]

6 minutes ago, CriesOfFurya said:

Why not give the opportunity to us so we can finally go for a game we desperately want to play.? What would be the harm if someone unlocks the trophy as their very last trophy this way? They don't deserve it because they weren't lucky enough to unlock that particular trophy years ago, eventhough there is a "fix" for it now? Surely most people that unlocked this trophy back then would agree just how much of a joe this trophy is, right?

Would that be allowed on every game that has one unachievable trophy? To have someone mod a trophy as long as it’s the last one so everyone can have the platinum as long as they did some of the work for it? What if it’s just two trophies or maybe just three trophies? 

[CriesOfFurya]

28 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

Would that be allowed on every game that has one unachievable trophy? To have someone mod a trophy as long as it’s the last one so everyone can have the platinum as long as they did some of the work for it? What if it’s just two trophies or maybe just three trophies? 

I highly doubt just any game will suddenly have a mod menu that can be obtained in-game, without modding anything yourself. I mean this does not require any savefile, computer, CFW or any of the sort. It's a very unqiue situation. 

 

Of course this should not just carry over to any game, but this one is quite an extrodinary case, don't you think? I mean you can never apply the same measure to every single game. One will have a glitch saving you genuinely hundreds of hours of playtime, while others don't have anything. Now this method came along and it makes an unobtainable trophy obtainable achievable again. I know full well it's not an ideal situation, but is this one really so evil? 

 

But I absolutely understand what you are saying though of course. I would not want this to be abused either, but I can promise you that you would make countless people very happy by whitelisting this method. We are all just trying to do this game and one trophy that would take 30mins is keeping us from it. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by CriesOfFurya

[Gray-Fox-44]

If there was a way to keep the game in your profile and have a message reading "this profile contains a trophy willingly obtained by hacking" instead of a flag, would you be ok with it? 

[CriesOfFurya]

15 minutes ago, Gray-Fox-44 said:

If there was a way to keep the game in your profile and have a message reading "this profile contains a trophy willingly obtained by hacking" instead of a flag, would you be ok with it? 

Why would there be a need for that? People can just click on your BO2 after using this method and they can see that you unlocked it long after 2014. Would you really think that they deserve it less than someone who did it back then? 30mins out of a 100hr long 100%? 

 

Then what about people that boosted Wolfenstein to Rank 50, or AvP instead of using those rank glitches? Or basically everyone doing Dragon Ball Fighter Z at the moment? More than 100 people unlocked that 20mil Zeni trophy in 5 minutes due to a glitch available for a limited time. Why don't we just mark everyone's account for obtaining trophies by glitches too? 

 

I know this trophy is still a mod in the end, but there are a lot worse things that are perfectly acceptable for our trophy hunter community, genuinely shaving hundreds of hours of some games. Like I said, unorthodox fix, but is it really that evil in this case? 

[AJ_-_808]

52 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

Would that be allowed on every game that has one unachievable trophy? To have someone mod a trophy as long as it’s the last one so everyone can have the platinum as long as they did some of the work for it? What if it’s just two trophies or maybe just three trophies? 

 

To be fair, this particular trophy is an almost unique case where the developers disabled/refused to fix part of the game while the game is still online/active and the trophy affected would normally be simple to get.

 

Similar to Gwent with CDPR disabling 2/3 of the game (and 8 or so trophies), but leaving the servers up for 6 months

 

Developer negligence should be taken into consideration for this in my opinion.

 

 

 

[Starcade_Legend]

On 6/6/2020 at 9:35 AM, Sinthoras_96 said:

No one has a problem with people using modded equip in games like Borderlands. So I don't see a problem at all. It's pretty much the same thing. 

I am curious.  I would like to know what a CRT member thinks about someone who openly admits to have platinumed Borderlands with modded equipment, but with no blatant proof...?

 

Because if a pass or an ‘I don’t see nothings!’ type of attitude is given for that, then...I DO believe a pass for other similar examples should be given.

 

It always has to come back to consistency and transparency.

[Sinthoras_96]

54 minutes ago, Starcade_Legend said:

I am curious.  I would like to know what a CRT member thinks about someone who openly admits to have platinumed Borderlands with modded equipment, but with no blatant proof...

 

Because if a pass or an ‘I don’t see nothings!’ type of attitude is given for that, then...I DO believe a pass for other similar examples should be given.

 

It always has to come back to consistency and transparency.

There are even topics in the forum with people asking for modded items.... 

Since they weren't locked I don't think anyone here has a problem with that ?

 

 

[willmill97]

I got the trophy legit years and years ago, but I don't think everyone else should be flagged, especially if another hacker gets the trophy for them in a lobby, same with Run With The Wind on PS3 GTA5. The devs fucked this up for people, so I don't think it's fair people can't platinum these great games anymore.