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Should Big Leagues be a flaggable trophy?

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11 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

You're not banned. You're currently removed from the leaderboards, and can come back if you just hide the game, and it's not outside your control, that's why it's not ignored. I also think you knew it was unobtainable when it happened. You also got two other trophies illegitimately.

First of all, Ik I’m not banned but flagged is in the same kind of scenario really. And it is outside of my control if I was just playing and someone just happened to make it pop up automatically? How is that my fault? same thing with the other 2 dlc trophies I didn’t have. Those were popped the same time and again I had literally nothing to do with it. How is it my fault that I didn’t know that someone can just randomly give you trophies? And at the time I was just playing for fun and just for camos. Yes I finished the rest of the game but it’s because it’s great and fun to do. If I hide it from my list then the game itself is gone from my trophy list not just the one trophy I got bullshitted on

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38 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

I see your thinking here, and I get what you want to do. You want people to be able to earn the trophy legitimately again. As I understand the trophy was related to "league play", whatever that is. It sounds like something that should be a global thing, but no longer is. Let's say we could come to some agreement about how it could be earned legitimately eventually, some method available to everyone and would relatively similar to what it originally was like.

 

Even if this was implemented, be aware this will not be applied backwards. That means anyone doing it before any such method is agreed upon is not considered legitimately.

 

So what you're saying is that you're thinking about a system where psnp makes up its own requirement for the trophy per se which closely resembles the original requirements. How would it work? You have to record yourself fulfilling that requirement, send it it and then you'd get permission to use the public mod menu to pop solely the Big Leagues trophy and the platinum (these 2 trophies only)? Or what did you have in mind there? (asking seriously out of interest, not in a smarmy way). 

 

If that's what you're interested in: the system basically had you play 5 pre-season league play matches, it then put you into a league whereby it paired you with players of a similar skill level, and then you had to win 5 of these matches for the trophy. 

1.5yrs ago, a very good friend of mine hand delivered to Activision HQ a letter I wrote to Activision asking them to release a patch for BO2 that changed the trophy requirement simply to "Win 5 pre-season matches" which would still be possible. The system just doesnt rank you after 5 matches anymore, that's the issue. So 5 pre-season wins is what i'd propose. 

 

P.S. anyone who wants to achieve a solution to this issue shouldn't be raising up CFW in here, no one wants that allowed on the site. We're aiming to come to an aggreable solution whereby everyone can achieve the trophy without modifying their console. 

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This may be a controversial opinion and I'm a bit afraid of backlash, but can we even call this a unobtainable trophy anymore?

Theres a feature in the game that anyone can use, granted the feature wasnt supposed to be there but that doesnt change the fact it's here now.

This is the same situation as red dead back when that exploit worked, if the site allowed red dead which wasnt even unobtainable,that sets a standard that features that have been put in by modders like shooting corpses are acceptable.

Run like the wind is also similar, where flags are mostly ignored for the game even though it's a feature that got modded back in, the requirements are the exact same. Only issue with run like the wind is you either need to ask someone or get lucky.

How is big leagues any different to these two examples which are either ignored or approved off? I would compare it to red dead more as you dont need to ask anyone to do it for you, why are we flagging this trophy but not those two trophies/games?

 

Note- I don't think run like the wind and red dead should be flagged, I agree with white listing those two games.

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13 hours ago, MMDE said:

 

1 - I see your thinking here, and I get what you want to do. You want people to be able to earn the trophy legitimately again.

 

2 - Even if this was implemented, be aware this will not be applied backwards. That means anyone doing it before any such method is agreed upon is not considered legitimately.

 

3 - I would also like to stress that about 90%, if not way more, of the people who has earned the trophy after it became unavailable has earned other trophies illegitimately too. None of these would fall under such an agreement either.

1 - you are correct...

 

2 - agreed...

 

3 - also agree but would like to reiterate that I hope someday these types of trophies would be considered for whitelisting and have a separate set of rules/repercussions...

 

and lastly, if guinea pigs are needed to test and record how the method for big leagues could work, i'd be willing to participate...I own multiple copies of blops2 though I don't intend to ever actually play it fully...long story...

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Just now, ProfBambam55 said:

1 - you are correct...

 

2 - agreed...

 

3 - also agree but would like to reiterate that I hope someday these types of trophies would be considered for whitelisting and have a separate set of rules/repercussions...

 

and lastly, if guinea pigs are needed to test and record how the method could work, i'd be willing to participate...I own multiple copies of blops2 though I don't intend to ever actually play it fully...long story...

Having people who are allowed to test it without risk of being flagged might actually help move this along faster.

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4 minutes ago, charxsetsuna said:

Having people who are allowed to test it without risk of being flagged might actually help move this along faster.

I have a bunch of alts with private trophies so I'm not too worried about flags or hiding trophies should that be necessary...

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15 hours ago, riolaaaey said:

First of all, Ik I’m not banned but flagged is in the same kind of scenario really. And it is outside of my control if I was just playing and someone just happened to make it pop up automatically? How is that my fault? same thing with the other 2 dlc trophies I didn’t have. Those were popped the same time and again I had literally nothing to do with it. How is it my fault that I didn’t know that someone can just randomly give you trophies? And at the time I was just playing for fun and just for camos. Yes I finished the rest of the game but it’s because it’s great and fun to do. If I hide it from my list then the game itself is gone from my trophy list not just the one trophy I got bullshitted on

 

 

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2 hours ago, MMDE said:

 

 

 

Are you going to elaborate on your train of thought for your recent post? 

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6 minutes ago, Potent_Delusions said:

 

Are you going to elaborate on your train of thought for your recent post? 

 

Didn't I already? I mean there wasn't really anything new since last time I said it. I'm not going to do the actual work to get this ball rolling, because I'm not sure we can do what is suggested, at least not yet, but I'm open for it. So it's really up to you guys.

 

 

5 hours ago, ProfBambam55 said:

1 - you are correct...

 

2 - agreed...

 

3 - also agree but would like to reiterate that I hope someday these types of trophies would be considered for whitelisting and have a separate set of rules/repercussions...

 

and lastly, if guinea pigs are needed to test and record how the method for big leagues could work, i'd be willing to participate...I own multiple copies of blops2 though I don't intend to ever actually play it fully...long story...

 

How do you suggest the earning of the trophy is to be replicated? 

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1 hour ago, MMDE said:

 

Didn't I already? I mean there wasn't really anything new since last time I said it. I'm not going to do the actual work to get this ball rolling, because I'm not sure we can do what is suggested, at least not yet, but I'm open for it. So it's really up to you guys.

 

 

 

How do you suggest the earning of the trophy is to be replicated? 

The community have been trying to come up with ideas ever since the theater mode exploit was found. The ball was rolling but it was stopped mid roll.

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1 hour ago, MMDE said:

How do you suggest the earning of the trophy is to be replicated? 

if I've understood the theater mode method correctly then it entails watching a certain replay to get infected into the league necessary for the big leagues trophy...the part I'm not clear on is whether 5 matches need to be played afterwards or whether the trophy dings automatically upon infection...if the former, I would ask for it to be considered as a fair means of earning the trophy if it's a method that anyone would have access to with a regular ps3 and copy of the game...my offer above was to document the specifics of theater mode and to see if such a method would be considered acceptable in earning big leagues by psnp and its community...

 

I think unobtainable trophies are kind of crappy and particularly when a platinum is prevented over a simple online one where the servers are still active but a specific feature has been shut down...as with the usage of cloned servers with gonespy, I like it when users come up with unique ideas to make such trophies available again while still maintaining the need to fulfill the original criteria...I'm not sure if the above big leagues method would qualify as something I would advocate for being acceptable means of earning the trophy or not at this point but I don't see any harm in investigating further...

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@MMDE

The trophy requires you to win 5 matches after being placed in a division. For being placed into a division, you have to play 5 matches to get a Rank for the division. The trophy is unobtainable because the league system got shut down, and you won’t get placed into a Division anymore. 
My solution for this is the “League Rank Infection”. BO2 has a theatre mode which allows you to re-watch your last matches, you can also edit short clips and then upload them into the file share, which is some sort of cloud. You can access the file share from the main menue. Modders have uploaded certain clips called “infections”. You basically watch a clip and get such things as Diamond Camo, Level 55 etc. This will work on any account on any systems, you don’t have to jailbreak your systems or install something from an USB stick. 
There is a clip called “League Rank infection”. By watching this clip, you’ll be placed into a division. My theory is that you’ll then be able to win the 5 games and get the trophy. 
I do think that this is the best solution, because all of the requirements for the trophy have been fulfilled by the player, and everyone can access the clip. In my opinion, the clip is the same as the dead body in RDR or the bounty in GTA V

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Alihsan621 said:

@MMDE

The trophy requires you to win 5 matches after being placed in a division. For being placed into a division, you have to play 5 matches to get a Rank for the division. The trophy is unobtainable because the league system got shut down, and you won’t get placed into a Division anymore. 
My solution for this is the “League Rank Infection”. BO2 has a theatre mode which allows you to re-watch your last matches, you can also edit short clips and then upload them into the file share, which is some sort of cloud. You can access the file share from the main menue. Modders have uploaded certain clips called “infections”. You basically watch a clip and get such things as Diamond Camo, Level 55 etc. This will work on any account on any systems, you don’t have to jailbreak your systems or install something from an USB stick. 
There is a clip called “League Rank infection”. By watching this clip, you’ll be placed into a division. My theory is that you’ll then be able to win the 5 games and get the trophy. 
I do think that this is the best solution, because all of the requirements for the trophy have been fulfilled by the player, and everyone can access the clip. In my opinion, the clip is the same as the dead body in RDR or the bounty in GTA V

 

 

 

But does it work?

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30 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

But does it work?

I think that's what they are offering to test.

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33 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

But does it work?

That’s what we have to find out. I’ve tried to gather up enough people to try this, but most of them didn’t even wanted to try this bc they wanted to know if this would be approved by the Cheater removal team first. If you guys state an ok or at least some conditions, I suppose that many people would be up for it

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37 minutes ago, Alihsan621 said:

That’s what we have to find out. I’ve tried to gather up enough people to try this, but most of them didn’t even wanted to try this bc they wanted to know if this would be approved by the Cheater removal team first. If you guys state an ok or at least some conditions, I suppose that many people would be up for it

 

Yeah, but it's easy to make a throw-away account. Takes a whole 5 minutes! xD 

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8 minutes ago, MMDE said:

 

Yeah, but it's easy to make a throw-away account. Takes a whole 5 minutes! xD 

What do you think about this idea? If it works, could this be a legitimate workaround for the trophy?

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5 minutes ago, Alihsan621 said:

What do you think about this idea? If it works, could this be a legitimate workaround for the trophy?

 

It sounds like it would be okay. People do this stuff in LBP1 to a completely different degree, and we don't flag those.

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I didn't read the whole thread, and maybe i should have before saying this.

 

But is it hard to whitelist certain games? Or add some sort of an asterix to those that earned the trophies in these games?

 

It probably gives you guys a whole load of work, since you had to do 1 by 1, in a site that has what, over a million people?

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2 hours ago, juniordrfanatic said:

I didn't read the whole thread, and maybe i should have before saying this.

 

But is it hard to whitelist certain games? Or add some sort of an asterix to those that earned the trophies in these games?

 

It probably gives you guys a whole load of work, since you had to do 1 by 1, in a site that has what, over a million people?

 

You should probably read the thread.

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On 30/06/2020 at 11:01 PM, UNLEADED_BRONZE said:

 

There was a bypass

To attain plat,Say if this title,Probably more that was a hit/popular in 2010s

Possibly the ppl/gamers/users that loved it or really liked it & missed out on the plat,There was an bypass to earn it,always a way through,Shame devs like Activision & EA have these server related achievements/trophies that are/arn't attainable doe to server support 

 

On 30/06/2020 at 11:01 PM, UNLEADED_BRONZE said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@Alihsan621 I will get to recruiting people today. I should have a lot of willing volunteers for this who'll each contribute 2 ps3s. myself included (permitting they have the game digitally, of course). Obviously we'll be using throwaway accounts. Do you know how to do this method and would be able to test the trophy popping? 

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On 3.7.2020 at 10:57 AM, Alihsan621 said:

@MMDE

There is a clip called “League Rank infection”. By watching this clip, you’ll be placed into a division. My theory is that you’ll then be able to win the 5 games and get the trophy. 
I do think that this is the best solution, because all of the requirements for the trophy have been fulfilled by the player, and everyone can access the clip. In my opinion, the clip is the same as the dead body in RDR or the bounty in GTA V

 

 

Where can we find it. I'm searching for it but can't find it under most popluar clips.

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16 minutes ago, TheRealHardyBoy1 said:

Where can we find it. I'm searching for it but can't find it under most popluar clips.

Sometimes there are other clips trending. Add me on PSN and browse through my file share

 

43 minutes ago, Potent_Delusions said:

@Alihsan621 I will get to recruiting people today. I should have a lot of willing volunteers for this who'll each contribute 2 ps3s. myself included (permitting they have the game digitally, of course). Obviously we'll be using throwaway accounts. Do you know how to do this method and would be able to test the trophy popping? 

Appreciate it. I know how to set up everything, I’ll PM you

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2 minutes ago, Alihsan621 said:

Sometimes there are other clips trending. Add me on PSN and browse through my file share

 

Appreciate it. I know how to set up everything, I’ll PM you

 Ok i added you :)

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