The Ribbon System • Part 2

[B1rvine]

If there's an option to turn it off, it should be from the user view only @BlindMango

 

In other words, if person "X" turns if off, they can't see their ribbons or my ribbons, while at the same time if I have it turned on, I can see my ribbons and the ribbons person "X" has. Otherwise, being non uniform is just not a good idea and will make the feature rather useless.  Sort of like if someone turned off their current platinum count the way it exists right now.

 

Ninja'd by @TheYuriG

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by B1rvine

[dmland12]

Still looks good to me.  I hope we see this added.

 

1 hour ago, midgetstrawdog said:

Something that would be really neat is if you clicked the ribbons, and there was a simple leaderboard of the people who had the most of that type of ribbon. 

I'd be interested in seeing that too.

[djb5f]

3 minutes ago, Cleggworth said:

But....

 

Check out this shiny ribbon thing you can get that's shows how much better you are than these people!

 

GIMME THE RIBBON! I'M SO MUCH BETTER AT THIS THAN THOSE GUYS!!

 

I fail to see how this is any different than people already comparing by trophy count, leaderboard position, trophy level, platinum number, or completion %.

 

it is simply another metric.  I favor it!

[KillerUni12]

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Shadiochao said:

 

25 minutes ago, Shadiochao said:

I mean I don't like seeing profiles that are just full of quick and easy games, but I don't think there's a need to create an entire system just to punish that one behaviour, when you could instead use the same system to reward different behaviours. 

 

I like this idea a lot. The ribbon system (in my opinion) should encourage a more diverse list of games rather than solely more difficult games. While I don't think the system necessarily targets people who play easier games (its not like we're refusing to show their trophies earned), it would be cool if it incorporated more than just rarities- I definitely think that would make more people happy. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by KillerUni12
attempting to fix quote

[dalailama1989]

Redesigning the Ribbon of Rarity should have been another thing to vote on. That's a clear no from me

(Probably not possible to vote on more than three things at the same time, I guess)

[BlindMango]

Just now, dalailama1989 said:

Redesigning the Ribbon of Rarity should have been another thing to vote on. That's a clear no from me

(Probably not possible to vote on more than three things at the same time, I guess)

 

Yep, couldn't add more than 3 options  

[BeautifulTorment]

75% makes no sense to me because it catches just about everything. What is the point of that?

[X_Wizi_X]

Yes

50%

no

[DaikichiKawachi]

I suggest we add a ribbon of minimal effort with a rubbish bin/trash can as the symbol so that everybody gets a prize and people can stop complaining that this system is discriminatory because it gives a ribbon for completing games they choose not to play.

[FilmFanatic]

If this isn’t going to take priority over other ideas that people have asked for does that mean we are going to get an answer on threads like these, even if that answer is it won’t happen.

A big part of this website is the statistics and as long as the stats are constantly wrong it makes them somewhat pointless so a permanent fix for this should be addressed as well if it’s possible.

 

[PSXtreme_]

 

My opinion hasn't changed....Trophy Sites don't need Participation Trophies...

[sephiroth4424]

If you add the option mentioned in ''3'', why even bother with the whole ribbon system?

In that case those who display their ribbons would be considered show-offs

[Sofa King]

I just see a ribbon system like the one proposed as more stats to look at, just another measuring stick for my personal enjoyment. Stats are fun!

 

[Undead Wolf]

29 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said:

My opinion hasn't changed....Trophy Sites don't need Participation Trophies...

 

If anything, the ribbons are the antithesis of "participation trophies" since you actually have to put some effort into obtaining them unlike many platinum trophies these days.

[Gommes_]

2 hours ago, Rally-Vincent--- said:

The trophy system - like it or not - is the official recognition for trophies. If PSNP weighs by its own factors, it is PSNP who excludes people, not their users.

 

I'll repeat myself from  the other thread: It is 3 clicks to sort the trophy log e.g for ultra rare Platinum trophies. Anyone who isn't willing to make those three clicks is not interested in that stat anyway. Boasting can be done on the forum, as it already happens aplenty.

 

Oh come on! Based on this statement you should also be against a leaderboard, a trophy per day ratio, an average completion rate and so on, because it's not official. And this would affect other sites like exophase as well. The hobby itself was elitist to begin with. Certain trophies always excluded people.

 

The people who could never be part of it due to hard requirements and stuff found a way into this hobby due to Sony's lack of quality control. This devalued the actual system, which people actually cared about. While a gold trophy usually stood for harder requirements compared to a bronze this is not the case anymore, since most of these new types of games don't even have bronze trophies. A ribbon system could fix that. If you decide to look down on people because of that or look up to them because of other aspects, that's up to you.

[Redgrave]

I am definitely still up for this idea along with 50% being the ideal percentage. Hopefully it can be implemented soon!

[danceswithsloths]

53 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said:

 

My opinion hasn't changed....Trophy Sites don't need Participation Trophies...

somebody clearly doesn't understand the purpose of this feature lmao

 

The "participation trophies" are the plats that are being given out for 10 minute games. This feature would literally be trying to counteract that.

Edited August 2, 2019 by danceswithsloths

[Rally-Vincent---]

8 minutes ago, Gommes_ said:

 

Oh come on! Based on this statement you should also be against a leaderboard, a trophy per day ratio, an average completion rate and so on, because it's not official. And this would affect other sites like exophase as well. The hobby itself was elitist to begin with. Certain trophies always excluded people.

 

All those stats are based on every trophy, not on an arbitrary subset. Any stat that is deducted from a subset is biased against whateveris excluded. I am against the leaderboard, but that is not what this thread is about.

 

16 minutes ago, Gommes_ said:

The people who could never be part of it due to hard requirements and stuff found a way into this hobby due to Sony's lack of quality control. This devalued the actual system, which people actually cared about. While a gold trophy usually stood for harder requirements compared to a bronze this is not the case anymore, since most of these new types of games don't even have bronze trophies. A ribbon system could fix that. If you decide to look down on people because of that or look up to them because of other aspects, that's up to you.

 

No, the looking down is done with declaring that some trophies should not be worth the same because you don't like them. If you voice this opinion, everything is okay. Everyone can have his opinion and voice it. It is not okay, though, when the site does something like that. The site should be neutral.

[Sora9427]

2 hours ago, BlindMango said:

The ribbon of rarity is given for ultra rare platinum trophies, detailed here.  

 

OH! I read about the change to that in the image but didn't know it was about that, then nice that there is already  

 

I think a Mix of the Two images would be neat, like a Trophy with a crown  Or seriously speaking the new one looks better, not similar to the other Ribbon.

 

Anyway i really like Shadicaho Idea, that would be cool, a personal PSNP achivement/Trophy system rewarding different styles (Like Hunting Jrpgs or Novel or Racing games or Fps and so on!), that should be considered in the Future!

[PSXtreme_]

1 minute ago, danceswithsloths said:

somebody clearly doesn't understand the purpose of this feature lmao

 

The "participation trophies" are the plats that are being given out for 10 minute games. This feature would literally be trying to counteract that.

 

It's all the same...

 

Take away the trophies and 75% of the gaming public goes away and all that's left is the old timers who were gaming for the fun of it before the industry became all about the eyecandy, microtransactions and the bling blings...

 

 

 

[danceswithsloths]

27 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said:

 

It's all the same...

 

Take away the trophies and 75% of the gaming public goes away and all that's left is the old timers who were gaming for the fun of it before the industry became all about the eyecandy, microtransactions and the bling blings...

 

 

 

lmao "Back in my day" yeah yeah sure.

 

 

 

Trophy/Achievement hunters are an extremely small percentage of the gaming community, so it looks like you're wrong again, bummer. This site (the most popular trophy hunting site) only tracks about 4 mil psn accounts. There are over 110 million psn accounts total, with 94 million of them being active monthly as reported in May of 2019. lets see, 4/94 turns into 4.26%, that's a long ways from 75% lol, and a decent chunk of the users tracked on this site arent even trophy hunters (like yourself), so that statistic is still probably very inflated. Not to mention other evidence like the Nintendo Switch, which doesn't even have a trophy or achievement system and is still selling like mad.

Edited August 2, 2019 by danceswithsloths

[AJ_Radio]

40 minutes ago, Undead Wolf said:

 

If anything, the ribbons are the antithesis of "participation trophies" since you actually have to put some effort into obtaining them unlike many platinum trophies these days.

 

This +1000.

 

I value some 100 percent games much higher than a lot of platinum trophies. I know I put more effort into Mega Man 10 than I think the last five platinum trophies I earned put together.

 

The whole idea of "participation trophies" becomes overly redundant.

 

33 minutes ago, Gommes_ said:

 

Oh come on! Based on this statement you should also be against a leaderboard, a trophy per day ratio, an average completion rate and so on, because it's not official. And this would affect other sites like exophase as well. The hobby itself was elitist to begin with. Certain trophies always excluded people.

 

The people who could never be part of it due to hard requirements and stuff found a way into this hobby due to Sony's lack of quality control. This devalued the actual system, which people actually cared about. While a gold trophy usually stood for harder requirements compared to a bronze this is not the case anymore, since most of these new types of games don't even have bronze trophies. A ribbon system could fix that. If you decide to look down on people because of that or look up to them because of other aspects, that's up to you.

 

This was the case back in the Playstation 3 era. But since the PS4 the entire quality control was thrown out.

 

Video games in general were more difficult 10 years ago, even on easier difficulties. Now you have more "participation trophies" than ever before. You barely get any difficulty based trophies in a lot of AAA games these days. Then the developers try to implement some sort of DLC pack that is considerably more difficult than anything in the base game just because. Not to mention worthless New Game Plus trophies which serve no purpose than to spend 5 - 10 hours playing through the story all over again just to get a bronze or a silver trophy.

 

8 minutes ago, PSXtreme_ said:

 

It's all the same...

 

Take away the trophies and 75% of the gaming public goes away and all that's left is the old timers who were gaming for the fun of it before the industry became all about the eyecandy, microtransactions and the bling blings...

 

 

 

 

This is still the case man. Most people don't fully complete all the side missions, activities and other content. They generally play to finish the story and move on to other games.

 

You're just being a bit delusional.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Spaz

[djb5f]

15 minutes ago, Rally-Vincent--- said:

 

All those stats are based on every trophy, not on an arbitrary subset. Any stat that is deducted from a subset is biased against whateveris excluded. I am against the leaderboard, but that is not what this thread is about.

 

 

Not exactly.  There are rarity leaderboards that are specifically on subsets.  The more info we know about out trophies, the better.

 

I’d wager 95% of those who are against it are the multi-region stackers of  Ratalaika, POWGI, etc.  Don’t see how anyone else could be against an extra feature, especially if you have the option to toggle it off.

[Helmet_time]

Since this is a system that is going to cause drama.  Why not compromise?  Instead of trying to quantify effort, just make a ribbon for each tier of platinum rarity.  That information is already present in the user's profile anyway.  There are lots of shiny new icons (four instead of two, that means it's twice as good!), there is no artificial delineation of 'quality', no one can feel excluded, and people who want to compare Ultra Rares will be free to do so.      

[GravityQueeen]

1- Yes. Do it ?

2- 50%.

3- Yes. Any customization always appreciated.

 

And I would vote for the crown icon for the rarity ribbon. Kudos @BlindMango for making the completion and 100%games ribbons, many people asked for it in the previous thread.

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2019 by GravityQueeen