The Ribbon System • Part 2

[FilmFanatic]

3 hours ago, Spaz said:

Then hide them. Ignore them. Pretend they don't even exist.

 

People act so personal about the Ribbon system being implemented it's if it's going to leave a stain on their profile.

 

Plus it's a goddamn trophy website where we can look at and see our trophy stats and compare them to others. If I didn't care about any of that I would of just not made an account here in the first place.

I figured it was at least somewhat obvious from my post that if this comes to fruition then of course I’m going to hide and ignore them. And as mentioned above the whole reason this came about is because a vocal minority don’t like that other people stack Rata and EZPZ games and now we are voting on a way to show that these ‘elitists’ have a ‘better’ profile because of some ribbons. The funny thing is that the people who stack those sorts of games more than likely don’t care what anyone else thinks about their profile. But hey, as long as they are optional then let those people stay on their high horses if it makes them feel better about themselves.

[thefourfoldroot]

I voted for the system as it's helpful. No reason not to do it. It might also encourage me to go after ultra rare trophies that I may not have without the ribbon showing a low number. It's for that reason I also don't want the option to remove a potentially embarrassing number from the bar (plus the extra work required to implement that functionality may move the release of this from "some point in the distant future" to "when I'm dead"

I voted for a 50% cut off but have now decided 75% is better (lots of games with better than 50% completion that take s lot of effort). Unfortunately I can't change my vote.

[Spinosaurus Rex]

• Ribbon of Effort is neutral for me, but I'd like it to include non-platinum games and full 100% games (e.g. Marvel's Spider-Man with 50% tier is a non-effort plat, but completed with all the DLC should net you Ribbon of Effort). It'd be trickier to implement, but definitely possible.
• Ribbon of Rarity is good, but it also should include non-platinum and full 100% games (e.g. Mafia III plat wouldn't net you Ribbon of Rarity, but completed with all the DLC should net you Ribbon of Rarity).
• Ribbon of Completion is bad with no tier system. If every non-plat game is treated the same, there's no need to include it. Give it a tier identical to Ribbon of Effort tier. Then textbox would say something like "User completed X games without a platinum trophy that required effort".
• Ribbon of Totality is good. It can be a nice boost to motivation of completing some games with all the DLC. There's still trivial ones like The Walking Dead and 400 Days DLC, but it's better to not complicate things more.

My opinion about the ribbons. Probably won't change anything, but whatever.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Spinosaurus Rex

[Copanele]

The whole idea is pretty neat I mean...it's a trophy site not my university's course and grades site (ribbon of lazy student would be the most accurate there) so the update is well received. 

Eventually add that on/off toggle button so that everyone(max 95% of the people who are following the whole ribbon thingie I mean) would be happy and that's that!

But in truth, the ribbons themselves are irrelevant, it's the whole topic that's the interesting part  

[AJ_Radio]

On 8/3/2019 at 9:41 PM, Shadiochao said:

 

Well it is kind of a stain, because of the reason it's being implemented.

 

It's not about giving people a cool new feature or stat to track. It's born out of negativity, and a desire to mark profiles as being inferior.

 

"Platinum trophies under 50% rarity" strikes me as an unusual stat to display so prominently on a profile. The ribbon that's the cause of all this is ironically the one that makes the least sense. The other two are giving a more in-depth look at the vague completed games stat, but this one is arbitrarily slicing off the chunk of a profile PSNProfiles deems unworthy.

 

I think such a thing either doesn't deserve such a prominent display on people's profiles, or should be expanded to a much more general achievement system. A trophy-tracking site having its own achievement system makes sense to me. Giving people little badges for avoiding Ratalaika games doesn't, really.

 

A platinum-only equivalent of the rarest trophies section would've achieved all the worthwhile things this is setting out to do. You'd be able to see how many platinums from each rarity somebody has, at a glance. But it's not as interesting as painting a big plague cross on profiles filled with easy platinums, so I can see why that wasn't suggested instead.

 

I mentioned before that I am not 100 percent in compliance with this new Ribbon system.

 

But.... anything that has a leaderboard attached to it or has some sort of achievement system is going to have elitists. I learned this first hand when I was a Xbox 360 'achievement hunter' a decade ago.

 

Whether this was really @BlindMango or @Sly Ripper's ideas, I don't know. If it were up to me I would set the bar much higher, because there are a ton of games with under 50 percent rarity that are piss easy to do. For example a number of indie games on the PS4 have very low percentage rates, yet barely anybody plays them and I think that is simply because most people just tried out the games and didn't bother to touch them again after 10 - 20 minutes. Which proves that Difficulty =/= Rarity, so what really deserves to have a Ribbon and what doesn't?

 

I found Bloodborne tough for a game with only an Uncommon rarity platinum. Dead Space 2 gave me a good dose of trouble and that isn't even Ultra Rare.

 

It's funny and sad that we've been throwing around the name Ratalaika Games left and right lately. I tend to look at that stuff as shovelware, other people see it as a cheap way to fulfill an addiction which is trophy hunting. I dropped off that gravy train two years ago when I stacked Sound Shapes six times and found that it wasn't worth seeing a bunch of trophies pop up at once just to try to play a numbers game. I wasn't having as much fun as I was before I bought a bunch of easy games to gain levels quicker.

 

I think it isn't the worst idea, it just needs a lot of work.

Edited August 5, 2019 by Spaz

[Bumperklever]

I have 15/97 plats that are above the 50% mark netting me 82 ribbons of effort, what can I say:

 

- Shame on the people that play persona dancing games

- F the telltale people; happy that they went out of business.

- Sly cooper; more like dork cooper

- Who even plays the Square Enix GO games!?

 

I typed that with a lot of sarcasm due to it all being great (or atleast decent) games, but are atm netted above the 50% mark.

 

To the people that play ratalaika games; If you like these games, why don't you have the same mindset? I can only give 1 possible explanation...

- Is it due to morely focusing on the trophy aspect then on the actual game? And rather wanting effortless games on the profile.

                   ~En nu komt de aap uit de mouw~

 

As for the same logic most people use when defending ratalaika games:

- You may choose what you play; if this feature gets implemented you may still choose; let people do what people want to do! or isn't that suddenly the case? and now it is considered hate speech or something?

 

I am still 100% on board with this idea... With a random check. I do have a lot less ribbons around my rank then the "non-stackers" As a "non-stacker" I am ashamed of myself... or not since I play what I want to play stacking or not hahah

[nyonmyan]

2 hours ago, FilmFanatic said:

The funny thing is that the people who stack those sorts of games more than likely don’t care what anyone else thinks about their profile.

 

Why do they stack these games then? ?

[AuroraHistoire]

If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing nobody.

 

The Ribbon System is a idea to please the rarity obsessive crowd and discourage playing "zero effort games" for quick platinums. Ribbons are not for players who play "easy" & "zero effort" games to gain leaderboard rank. Those players get to be a the top of the mandatory leaderboard (to my knowledge you can't be a site member and not be ranked on the leaderboard unless you're flagged for cheating). Ribbons do nothing to stop you continuing to play easy games for quick rank. Just ignoring them and tell the people who harass you because of your trophy practices to duck off, in a polite manner.

 

No matter what rarity percentage the effort ribbon, some game that are considered easy will slip through and a few harder titles will not earn you a ribbon. 30% is the lowest value the effort ribbon could be set that still allows the majority of games to net you a ribbon. I don't believe anyone will verbally crucify you if your platinum count and effort ribbon count are not the same.

 

The users who where too busy earning "EZ plats" to read these ribbon discussions will be shocked to see a bunch of ribbons on their profile someday. I think it would quite upsetting to that demographic. I'm already imaging quite a few topics complaining about the new feature.

 

Ribbons are great idea that should be implemented. The effort is a bit controversial but the other 3 have been received very well, as far as i can tell.

[Gibbo_0113]

Just implement the rarity leader board

[thefourfoldroot]

On 02/08/2019 at 8:55 PM, Shadiochao said:

I'd still quite like for this to become a PSNProfiles achievement type system, with more ribbons for a wider variety of things. Something that acknowledges different styles of trophy hunters - much like trophy lists do - rather than just single-mindedly targeting people who play easier games.

 

I mean I don't like seeing profiles that are just full of quick and easy games, but I don't think there's a need to create an entire system just to punish that one behaviour, when you could instead use the same system to reward different behaviours. There are many different types of trophy hunters, and with this specialised system all you're doing is picking out one group and saying to them "We don't like your type around here".

It's just a neat way of showing your stats and illustrating the type of trophy hunter you are, as well as giving a push to perhaps play in a different way if you wish. I don't see that a discriminatory. I for example will have a terrible completion count and several easy plats not showing. That's fine. And I might enjoy going for a completion ribbon because I like pushing numbers up for others to see even in my very modest way.

Bottom line is that more information does not create or show discrimination. People may use it to imply others go for easy trophies or whatever but that's what etiquette rules are for 

[djb5f]

This is no more shaming than showing completion %, trophy level, # of trophies, # of Plats, rarity %, etc., etc.

 

Highly comical thread though by the few that think implementing this is the end of the world.

[TheLakota]

10 hours ago, djb5f said:

Highly comical thread though by the few that think implementing this is the end of the world.

 

@NekoRave stared off into the distance, eyes glazed over as if fixated on some distant target.

 

Brow furrowing, @TheLakota stared quizzically at his compatriot for several moments before asking uncertainly in a hoarse whisper, "What do you see?"

 

@NekoRave remained silent however, stooped over the chipped, battle-scarred remains of his trusted warsword, gaze slitted, lips pursed in silent thought. A gritty breeze whipped about the tattered ribbons of his dustcloak, each piece fluttering in the breeze as if a grit-stained extension of his own windswept mane. The silence alarmed @TheLakota, leading him to wonder what horrors might lay before them. And to think, it was mere weeks ago they'd barely survived the last battle; @ProfBambam55 himself had fallen to the horde, his logic and reason no match for their sheer might, indomitable will be damned.

 

@TheLakota's thoughts drifted off momentarily to that fateful day, his mind's eye fixating upon @ProfBambam55's look of shock as @BlindMango's broadsword swept cleanly through his neck before disappearing amidst an arterial spray of oxygen-rich claret -- the Great Bam was dead before he ever hit the ground, his lifeless husk kicking up a billowing cloud of dust in one last act of pitiable defiance.

 

The toll had been too much, too fierce, too great. Lives had been lost on both sides, admittedly, though @TheLakota grudgingly -- had to -- accept the notion they were simply outnumbered.

 

@NekoRave shifted his weight and cut away to stare aside @TheLakota, his dry, cracked lips finally parting. "It's here," he croaked out.

 

A sense of utter dread washing over him, @TheLakota could only muster a meek, "What?"

 

"Finality," @NekoRave responded, his stooped, worn figure still steadfast, resolute. "Oblivion..."

 

"I'm not long for this world," he loosed with a content sigh. "This body's done."

 

"No, that can't be," @TheLakota growled. "You're the best o--..."

 

He couldn't finish the sentence though, too choked up in the moment to admit the obvious: they were losing, and He was coming.

 

@NekoRave tightened his grip on the warsword, his makeshift cane, before straightening up to his full height, his broken teeth grinding against one another. "Storm's comin', best get ready."

 

@TheLakota stared confusedly at his old comrade. No rains had fallen in months to cleanse their wounds or wash away memories of fallen brothers and sisters. He opened his mouth to speak, certain his comrade's weariness had finally caught up to him.

 

In the distance, a low, steady rumble sounded in the heavens, a rumble so deep to sound as if it'd come from the bowels of Hell itself. Darkening clouds spiraled into existence, falling in on one another as if pulled towards a singularity: the One.

 

From the depths uncoiled whip-lake tendrils as if out of some Lovecraftian nightmare.

 

Lakota could only stare in silent horror as the tentacles unfurled for what seemed like miles, each end tipped with what appeared to be a mouth of razor-sharp incisors.

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tl;dr Perhaps we could dispense with this ridiculously hyperbolic language for just one day?

Edited August 5, 2019 by TheLakota
Formatting issue

[ProfBambam55]

22 minutes ago, TheLakota said:

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haha...sorry, I don't get it...but a good read nonetheless...

[Helyx]

31 minutes ago, TheLakota said:

tl;dr Perhaps we could dispense with this ridiculously hyperbolic language for just one day?

 

I see you found those brownies.

[PSXtreme_]

I'll only change my opinion if you include Ribbons of Shame in the time honored Japanese Tradition...

 

[BlackTorito]

13 hours ago, djb5f said:

This is no more shaming than showing completion %, trophy level, # of trophies, # of Plats, rarity %, etc., etc.

 

Highly comical thread though by the few that think implementing this is the end of the world.

We should change the site to shamingprofiles, open a new poll.

[Sinthoras_96]

I'm not really a fan of the option to not show the ribbons if they are implemented. 

[TheLakota]

41 minutes ago, Sinthoras_96 said:

I'm not really a fan of the option to not show the ribbons if they are implemented. 

 

Make it mandatory and I guarantee you'll have several members leave. I'll also be requesting a refund for my premium membership (don't @ me). 

[AffectatiousDonk]

22 hours ago, FilmFanatic said:

I figured it was at least somewhat obvious from my post that if this comes to fruition then of course I’m going to hide and ignore them. And as mentioned above the whole reason this came about is because a vocal minority don’t like that other people stack Rata and EZPZ games and now we are voting on a way to show that these ‘elitists’ have a ‘better’ profile because of some ribbons. The funny thing is that the people who stack those sorts of games more than likely don’t care what anyone else thinks about their profile. But hey, as long as they are optional then let those people stay on their high horses if it makes them feel better about themselves.

 

Not bad and from a New Zealander to boot. Keep up the good fight ?

[pinkrobot_pb]

19 hours ago, Gibbo_0113 said:

Just implement the rarity leader board

Exactly.

1. This proposed change would take some of the very limited development time away from the rarity leaderboard.
2. Most people who would like these ribbons are people who would like a rarity leaderboard even more. Because in all likelyhood they care about rare trophies already.
3. Most people who would not give a shit about the ribbons only care about the main leaderboard and hardly care about rare trophies (why else would you stack 95% and higher plats five times?). Trying to get them to 'change their ways' dangling some ribbons in front of them is likely pointless.

Combine those 3 things and I just do not understand why we are even still talking about this.

 

I would much rather have a list of proposed changes and the chance to upvote some, all or none of them. And I am pretty sure the rarity leaderboard would end up a lot higher than these (sorry to say that as the only person who actually has them on his sig already) silly ribbons.

Edited August 5, 2019 by pinkrobot_pb

[Maxie_M0us3]

I love the concept, it shows the dedication and effort for completing games that require at least effort and time of earning trophies. If I count right now, under the 50% rarity, I should have 140 Ribbons of Effort and 44 Ribbons of Rarity.  As for Ribbons of Completion or Totality, cannot tell since I have a lot of them, there should be filters for no-platinum 100% lists and 100%/platinum lists with DLC.

 

@BlindMango I also love the OG Platinum trophy icon on the Ribbon of Rarity, I’d put it in there, but I’d see the current Platinum trophy icon on the Ribbon of Effort. Does it sound good to you?

 

Also, is it possible to customize so we display up to all 4 Ribbons on the profile top bar? I’d love it.

 

Also, should we set the Ribbon next to the Rank S or next to the Platinum / 100% mark on each game?

Edited August 5, 2019 by MaxieM0us3

[thefourfoldroot]

23 minutes ago, pinkrobot_pb said:

Exactly.

1. Most people who would like these ribbons are people who would like a rarity leaderboard even more. Because in all likelyhood they care about rare trophies already.
2. Most people who would not give a shit about the ribbons only care about the main leaderboard (why else would you stack 95% and higher plats five times?) and hardly care about rare trophies. Trying to get them to 'change their ways' dangling some ribbons in front of them is likely pointless.
3. This proposed change would take development time away from the rarity leaderboard.

Combine those 3 things and I just do not understand why we are even still talking about this.

 

I would much rather have a live list of proposed changes and the chance to upvote some, all or none of them. It takes the guesswork out of all of this and I am pretty sure the rarity leaderboard would end up a lot higher than these (sorry to say that as the only person who actually has them on his sig already) silly ribbons.

Personally I don't ultimately care about leaderboards and judging against other people (as I'd come in behind about 41000 other people anyway). But I do want an easier way to track my worthwhile trophies and 100 completion stats "at a glance" without needing to go to my profile, sort them then count. It's a quality of life improvement and I don't see a problem with it. But, hey, I'm not bothered by what other people think of me. If others are then It looks like they'll have the chance to hide it. Win/win. And to those who say it sends the wrong message that these "games" that are barely concealed platinum purchases are less worthy -they are! I don't know anybody who would deny that. And I have This is Mayo plat twice over and two Sound Shapes autopops so I'm not claiming moral superiority in any way. But as you said, people who do care about the leaderboard don't care about rarity, so nobody is getting hurt.

Sony devalued platinums and this is purely a way of reinstating a similar model, it's not replacing the points system people who don't care about rarity work towards, and it's helpful for all those of us who don't judge ourselves against other people either way.

Edited August 5, 2019 by thefourfoldroot

[FilmFanatic]

41 minutes ago, thefourfoldroot said:

Personally I don't ultimately care about leaderboards and judging against other people (as I'd come in behind about 41000 other people anyway). But I do want an easier way to track my worthwhile trophies and 100 completion stats "at a glance" without needing to go to my profile, sort them then count. It's a quality of life improvement and I don't see a problem with it. But, hey, I'm not bothered by what other people think of me. If others are then It looks like they'll have the chance to hide it. Win/win. And to those who say it sends the wrong message that these "games" that are barely concealed platinum purchases are less worthy -they are! I don't know anybody who would deny that. And I have This is Mayo plat twice over and two Sound Shapes autopops so I'm not claiming moral superiority in any way. But as you said, people who do care about the leaderboard don't care about rarity, so nobody is getting hurt.

Sony devalued platinums and this is purely a way of reinstating a similar model, it's not replacing the points system people who don't care about rarity work towards, and it's helpful for all those of us who don't judge ourselves against other people either way.

These 2 statements are how this whole thing came about. In the real world trophies have no worth or value whatsoever. As far as gamers and trophy hunters go, a trophies value is entirely subjective. Person A considers trophy X worthwhile whereas Person B doesn’t and vice versa. But the great thing about it is that a trophies worth is not a fact, it’s an opinion. This means that neither Person A or Person B is right or wrong when they give a trophy a value that the other disagrees with. However these ‘ribbons of effort’ are seeking to change that by putting a worth/value based on their rarity which is just stupid.

 

Also at no point has Sony devalued platinums. If anyone think they have then the problem lies with them because everyone gives a trophy it’s own worth not Sony. However with the advent of so many quick and easy plats the thing that has been devalued is a persons number of plats. It used to be that having 200 plats was impressive but these days you can’t say that without first checking to see if 150 of those plats are stacked EZPZ games.

 

I platinumed Steins;Gate earlier this year and it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played and probably will ever play but according to the effort ribbon that plat isn’t worth anything because it sits at 50.29%. And the same can be said of some of my other common plats like The Walking Dead S1/S2, The Wolf Among Us and Telltales Guardians Of The Galaxy. None of the plats are deemed ‘worthy’ of anything purely because they are considered easy (I won’t say quick because these days there are plenty of 5 minute plats which makes 7 - 9 hour Telltale games seem long) and therefore have a high plat rate. I of course completely disagree and say they are absolutely worthy plats, in my opinion. If someone else thinks otherwise then I’ll live and let live because I give my trophies value, not anyone else.

 

But as mentioned previously, as long as these ribbons being on my profile are optional then I don’t care about their existence.

[Gommes_]

7 minutes ago, FilmFanatic said:

I platinumed Steins;Gate earlier this year and it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played and probably will ever play but according to the effort ribbon that plat isn’t worth anything because it sits at 50.29%. And the same can be said of some of my other common plats like The Walking Dead S1/S2, The Wolf Among Us and Telltales Guardians Of The Galaxy. None of the plats are deemed ‘worthy’ of anything purely because they are considered easy (I won’t say quick because these days there are plenty of 5 minute plats which makes 7 - 9 hour Telltale games seem long) and therefore have a high plat rate. I of course completely disagree and say they are absolutely worthy plats, in my opinion. If someone else thinks otherwise then I’ll live and let live because I give my trophies value, not anyone else.

 

But as mentioned previously, as long as these ribbons being on my profile are optional then I don’t care about their existence.

 

Exactly this. The trophy mean something to yourself. So I wouldn't care if I get a "participation ribbon" for Steins Gate, cause that shit was awesome! But wouldn't this apply to all the games? You just feel discriminated if you let the ribbons affect you, right? So if if one is just playing "EZPZ games" why should that one be mad about this new system?

 

While I said that trophies mean something to the one who achieved them I also like that I can check out other profiles on this site or that so many people have trophy cards in their signature. Because of this I get motivated or inspired. The only difference the ribbons would make is that I can see at first glance what kind of hunter the player is. Nonetheless I clicked on the profile, cause some of the shown stats "impressed" me. I think it is weird that some say it can be used to shame them but at the same time they registered on this site, made their profile public, put a trophy card in their signatures etc.

[YTPerfectParadox]

I'm glad to see 50% is winning the cutoff vote. 75% feels to shame-focused to me and would make me feel like i couldn't play a game i genuinely enjoy for fear of looking like a whore. I mean some of my favourite games in this world are above my 75% line and I'd hate to see a scenario where I feel i shouldn't play them out of fear of looking like a cheesy player. I mean i AM a cheesy player, sure, and i've got no problem with that being displayed, but I'm definitely gonna second guess buying another rata game now and would hate for that second guessing to extend into games i actually really love.