Infinity Ward asks people to think of developers in wake of Modern Warfare backlash

[Kishnabe]

Maybe Activision should think of the consumers and gambling addicts...oh wait.

[Upendo_Vitani]

2 hours ago, majob said:

Ah, here we go, the evils of capitalism, I wondered how long it would be until someone went there. A CEO of a gaming company didn't get their job because they like games, they received it because they know how to run a business, which the gaming industry is, a business. People do a job, people choose whether or not to pay for their services. There is no evil here unless the seller is maliciously harming you in some way.  

I did not say capitalism is evil. In fact I am an open supporter of capitalism. I simply stated what imagined the CEO or bigwig of Activision or EA looks like in my mind. You were too ready to see a post you disagreed with, so you made many assumptions reading mine. Try again friend. 

[VoidVictorious]

5 hours ago, panikooooos said:

The people without the input to control a lot of the aspects are the people no one knows about and no one cares about, or am I supposed to believe people who hate the new Cod are gonna send death threats to Susan from HR or the janitor at Activision ?? Now I'm not gonna go out of my way and insult Activision developers but I sure won't feel pity for them. Activision is known for its scummy franchise destroying money making schemes, they sure don't see you as a human being, they see you and me as dumb cattle, respect has to be earned, not demanded. 

Simply reading this thread shows how over the top gamers can be. You don’t have to respect people, but it is kind and just to treat people how you want to be treated. 

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by VoidVictorious

[Helyx]

33 minutes ago, VoidVictorious said:

treat people how you want to be treated.

 

This is why I talk shit to people.

[TheLakota]

5 hours ago, SKyZoX9 said:

 

If 100K people bought the mario at 1985, just trowing a blank dont know the numbers [...]

 

It is one of the bestselling games of all time, with more than 40 million physical copies.

 

You might want to use a different example. 

[steel6burgh]

6 hours ago, SKyZoX9 said:

 

It virtually does, sure 60$ of 1985 cost 150 of 2019, but we are drasticly more people to play and buy games than in 1985, that means we lower the price per consumer. so tbh its fairly ok that a game cost 70$. At the end the consumer wont think of himself paying less than in 1985 but paying 10$ more even tho its not it.

Sure more people buy the games today however Rockstar has invested 1/4 of a billion dollars in GTAV.   NES games could never touch that if you combined the top 100 games for the system.   

[Katt]

How is it that nobody has posted this meme yet?

just change the logo in it to ACTIVISION and it should be ok.

 

 

[majob]

8 hours ago, Upendo_Vitani said:

I did not say capitalism is evil. In fact I am an open supporter of capitalism. I simply stated what imagined the CEO or bigwig of Activision or EA looks like in my mind. You were too ready to see a post you disagreed with, so you made many assumptions reading mine. Try again friend. 

I apologize then but your mustache twirling projection was so blatantly wrong in so many respects that I couldn't help but presume.

[SKyZoX9]

6 hours ago, steel6burgh said:

Sure more people buy the games today however Rockstar has invested 1/4 of a billion dollars in GTAV.   NES games could never touch that if you combined the top 100 games for the system.   

 

Gta 5 entier online gameplay, wich is far more played than solo is enterely based on microtransaction, that also collapses costs.

7 hours ago, TheLakota said:

 

It is one of the bestselling games of all time, with more than 40 million physical copies.

 

You might want to use a different example. 

I saw i at the moment but i considered a year, mario of 1985 sold more ouvertime than instantly according to internet but yea it was just simulation not reality.

Also if you consider that GTA5 and minecraft sold each around 120 millions it is also not that much.

Edited October 1, 2019 by SKyZoX9

[AJ_Radio]

People are just NOW realizing this shit?

 

Not once in my over 30 years of life have I wished pity on any particular developer who works at Activision, has worked for Activision in the past, or works for a company that has Activision publish their games.

 

The REAL problem I think are the people at the top calling the shots. The developers are just guys who want to make worthwhile games, with a few here and there wanting to make a money grab.

 

I'm targeting the executives, the CEO and their marketing department because all that matters to them is money. Activision has a LOT of power at their disposal. Ever since they merged with Blizzard I feel they have suffered, with a rather high number of people getting laid off there back in February this year.

 

The developers, the writers, the voice actors and so forth are the OUT group. The CEOs, the executives, the guys who deal in finances are the IN group.

 

Look what happened to the Dead Space franchise. Look at the backlash that happened with Star Wars Battlefront 2.

 

I blame gamers to an extent because we have become progressively more self entitled and whiny over time. But I feel much of the blame should be targeting the people who are running the company. They're not the ones developing and making the games. They're the ones who look to seek a massive profit and investment.

 

Developers at this point in time make up only a small part of a company. A good portion of everybody who actively works at Activision do not have any part in developing the games.

 

Nowadays developers come and go. You could of worked at TellTale Games before it went out of business and now work in one of the many Ubisoft facilities. Nobody bothers to give them a little sympathy, and I think much of the hatred is misguided.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Spaz

[steel6burgh]

6 hours ago, SKyZoX9 said:

 

Gta 5 entier online gameplay, wich is far more played than solo is enterely based on microtransaction, that also collapses costs.

I saw i at the moment but i considered a year, mario of 1985 sold more ouvertime than instantly according to internet but yea it was just simulation not reality.

Also if you consider that GTA5 and minecraft sold each around 120 millions it is also not that much.

I never bought a single micro transaction playing GTAV and i'm betting the majority of people don't which amplifies my point in my first comment.  Micro transactions are fine by me as long as they don't create a competitive edge because the people that buy the micro transactions make my gaming experience less expensive.  90% of the games people bitch about having micro transactions they are solely cosmetic.  I don't see the problem.  I have no problem playing a game with a generic skin or clothing accessories, etc.

[Sydoki]

This is an unpopular opinion but I'm sorry, are cosmetics lootboxes still a problem for people...? Don't buy it if you don't want to, this ain't Battlefront II.
 

A 1-year exclusivity is a questionable move but people act like most players won't be just playing standard multiplayer modes. I'm not defending anyone who made those calls...but those "boycotes" are a joke.

[SKyZoX9]

14 minutes ago, steel6burgh said:

I never bought a single micro transaction playing GTAV and i'm betting the majority of people don't which amplifies my point in my first comment.  Micro transactions are fine by me as long as they don't create a competitive edge because the people that buy the micro transactions make my gaming experience less expensive.  90% of the games people bitch about having micro transactions they are solely cosmetic.  I don't see the problem.  I have no problem playing a game with a generic skin or clothing accessories, etc.

Micro transaction in GTA online are enterly gameplay linked, i 100% the game and i can garanty you that A LOT more people buy microtransaction because they just imbalanced the game with the flying vehicles, so the new comers feels triggered to buy it with actual real money.

Edited October 1, 2019 by SKyZoX9

[panikooooos]

12 minutes ago, steel6burgh said:

I never bought a single micro transaction playing GTAV and i'm betting the majority of people don't which amplifies my point in my first comment.  Micro transactions are fine by me as long as they don't create a competitive edge because the people that buy the micro transactions make my gaming experience less expensive.  90% of the games people bitch about having micro transactions they are solely cosmetic.  I don't see the problem.  I have no problem playing a game with a generic skin or clothing accessories, etc.

You don't see a problem with companies promoting gambling to teenagers?

[steel6burgh]

21 hours ago, panikooooos said:

You don't see a problem with companies promoting gambling to teenagers?

no not really.  Either you're going to gamble or not.  We are born with our own minds and free will, if we let advertising dictate our life decisions we're a lost cause anyways so they might as well gamble.  People that are overly influenced by advertising are weak minded. 

[Fish613]

It does make things worse because it is probably so satisfying to the people complaining.... knowing that Infinity Ward is seeing their comments/posts. Now the gamers are just going to go harder with their comments.

 

It's not so bad though, because game developers get so greedy, it's good they read the hate directed toward them.

[starcrunch061]

42 minutes ago, steel6burgh said:

no not really.  Either you're going to gamble or not.  We are born with our own minds and free will, if we let advertising dictate our life decisions we're a lost cause anyways so they might as well gamble.  People that are overly influenced by advertising are weak minded. 

 

What a bunch of stupid gobbledegook. 

 

Here's a newsflash: teenagers are weak-minded. There are numerous psychological studies to show that teenagers are far more impressionable than their adult counterparts, across race, ethnicity, and gender. They are absolutely "overly influenced" by advertising. Things like "free will" are learned concepts.

 

With this genius logic, let's just start selling alcohol to teenagers. After all, you're either going to be a drunk, or you're not. Drunks are just weak-minded, anyway.

[panikooooos]

2 hours ago, steel6burgh said:

no not really.  Either you're going to gamble or not.  We are born with our own minds and free will, if we let advertising dictate our life decisions we're a lost cause anyways so they might as well gamble.  People that are overly influenced by advertising are weak minded. 

Hehe, I like how you think, but considering how dumb and easily manipulated most people are and the fact that this targets little kids mostly (mobile apps) I do consider it kind of scummy preying on someone's addiction, especially when his mind hasn't fully developed yet, I like your style though ??

[Property_Damage]

wasnt gonna buy MW anyways

[steel6burgh]

3 hours ago, starcrunch061 said:

 

What a bunch of stupid gobbledegook. 

 

Here's a newsflash: teenagers are weak-minded. There are numerous psychological studies to show that teenagers are far more impressionable than their adult counterparts, across race, ethnicity, and gender. They are absolutely "overly influenced" by advertising. Things like "free will" are learned concepts.

 

With this genius logic, let's just start selling alcohol to teenagers. After all, you're either going to be a drunk, or you're not. Drunks are just weak-minded, anyway.

correct when a teenager myself i had no problem getting alcohol so they might as well just sold it to me.  We live in a society so scared of everything we can barley live.  Teenagers are stupid yes i agree but most of them grow up just as stupid.  If you really want to go after someone for influencing gambling to minors go after chunky cheese.  they have machines just like slot machines where you spin to win tickets.  I witnessed a child there hit the  500 ticket jackpot 1st spin and that is all he wanted to play and spent every dime on his chunky cheese card trying to hit that 500 ticket prize again.  i thought to myself.  what a stupid kid.  Probably grow up being stupid too.  Now is that chunky cheese's fault?

now is that a bunch of gobbledegook too?

like i care if some dumbass kid grows up to have a gambling problem anyway.

[djb5f]

People of all ages are bad with money management.  It is staggering how many people live paycheck to paycheck or carry over credit card balance month to month (with ridiculous interest rates).  Unfortunately, these same people are the ones to make impulsive purchases for loot boxes and such.

 

Those with self-discipline are typically the ones who have the disposable income to spend on loot boxes but are also the ones to understand that money is better spent elsewhere.

[AJ_Radio]

On 10/2/2019 at 1:44 PM, djb5f said:

People of all ages are bad with money management.  It is staggering how many people live paycheck to paycheck or carry over credit card balance month to month (with ridiculous interest rates).  Unfortunately, these same people are the ones to make impulsive purchases for loot boxes and such.

 

Those with self-discipline are typically the ones who have the disposable income to spend on loot boxes but are also the ones to understand that money is better spent elsewhere.

 

This is a pretty recent issue.

 

Gambling since it's inception has always attracted the undesirables and those who cannot manage their money. A friend of mine worked at a casino for a number of years and he would always hear about someone who just threw away their live savings or their bank account for gambling at a card table or slot machine. It's not good at all.

 

This is just another step for these companies to make money at the expensive of people who lack self-discipline and throw away their money on useless loot boxes. Mobile games you get on your iPhone or Android were the first games to really push forth this ideology. They made the games to where it becomes so inefficient and slow to progress the 'normal' way that it was better for people to just buy their way through to begin with. Then EA caught on and made the travesty that was Star Wars Battlefront 2 with it's forced microtransactions. They got so much backlash they were literally forced to change those microtransactions. 

 

Middle Earth: Shadow of War had lootboxes for a long while before they finally decided to patch them out. The last Need for Speed game also had some microtransactions if I recall.