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Campus DLC - Education Nation Trophy, For For-Profit Education Trophy

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Hey,

 

just wondering if anybody else is having troubles getting the "Education Nation" - Trophy.

 

All other trophies I'm missing will come along it's way since I'm pretty sure this one will be the toughest.

 

If you have any oppinion or advice for me I would be glad to hear it.

 

 

The facts about my city:

1.)

- currently my city has between 110k and 120k pupulation

- I read that in theory 10% or 15% of the population should be eligible for University

- as result this would be about 10k to 12k students in my city at current

 

- but I only have around 5k split into all 3 different campuses

- I have three campuses, one of each type

- all campuses have level 4 at the moment

- I also have far more elementary and high schools built thoughout the city than I would actually need, just to make sure everybody gets the education they need

 

- city happiness is constantly above 90%

- land value is pretty much maxed out

- fire depts and all other service buildings are covering the entire city - don't think that matters for this problem - but just in case somebody wants to know

 

2.)

- I have a Collider Hadron (or whatever the name is) built

- you can on/off an option in the Hadron that disables the Hadron giving the people a high eduaction level - this option is disabled

- enabling the option at the Hadron results in all the campuses to go empty - I tested it

- this means the Hadron only educates people in low and medium education - which is also good, because I want my people to go to the campuses and not the Hadron for their high education

 

3.)

- I have no other standard University-buildings in my city, only campus sites

- traffic is always a problem but mostly the traffic "flows"

- public transport insn't built to perfection but it transports a big chunk of people - mostly by metro > bus

- my population generally won't go higher than 120k for the moment, don't really get what the problem is, but that's not the major problem at the moment

 

4.)

Policies:

- School's Out-Policy is diabled

- Education Boost is enabled

- Industry 4.0 is enabled

- Campus-Policies are all activeted except from the one that would reduce the campus income to 0

- each campus has a sports arena

 

 

Now the problem:

- student numbers are drasticaly and constantly sinking - I don't know why

- I've tried disabling the Hadron completely - no effect

 

Any oppinions or advice?

I'd be gratefull.
 

 

 

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I got the trophy, and for a long time had similar numbers to you. It was a long road to get to 15k. - i’m not an expert in the game, and can’t be sure all these things make a difference, but some of the things I did that you might try are:

 

Massively increase your residential areas, without adding any jobs. Ignore the bars telling you to build industrial/ commencial. It will fill up slowly regardless, especially if you have high land value. The Eden project will help with this. By the time I got it, my population was around 190000 IIRC.

 

Put your High schools and elementary schools inside the campus areas, so the the residential educated are all populated around them.

 

put good transport links from all over the city into the campusses. Metro especially, I found to  get high use. Each stop inside my campuses was at over 3000 daily passengers.

 

Put high entertainment unique buildings inside the campuses.

 

Improve traffic flow. You want it above 80% ideally. Remember to use roundabouts made of one way highway, and you want the same number of lanes as there are exits.

 

Free public transport.

 

Prefer bikes.

 

Educational Blimps.

 

Improve the Varsity teams. A high win rate attracts people, which attracts students.

 

Turn on free lunches on all campuses.

 

build the medical monument. Better Health = more students.

 

demolish the Hedron collider. (Don’t just switch it off)

 

Build lots of Libraries.

 

Make sure postal coverage is good.

 

demolish ALL dirty industry, and replace it with office. You don’t need any Yellow in your educational utopia. Office jobs only.

 

build leasure stuff. More tourists = more people moving in = more students.

 

Families like parks / playgrounds etc, not casinos / clubs etc.

 

 

Be patient! 

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Thanks for your thoughts mate!

 

The biggest improvement I could achieve in short time was replacing the yellow Industry Zones with the Office Zones.

 

Took only one ingame year to boost my population from 120k up to 135k.

 

It also reduces traffic in those areas since there are no trucks in office zones as it seems.

 

Parts of the other things you've written are already implemented in my city the same way.

 

This will be key to achieving this. Thanks!

 

Question:

- I don't really get it: what is the need for post offices and libraries - how do they improve my city, happiness only?

- (I have a few built throughout my city, but just very rarely)

- there is also a policy for mail delivery - changing mail into emails - the effect is reducing traffic only?

- will Business Zones be needed later on - since there will be no more yellow Industry Zones when I'm finished replacing everything? (no industry - nothing to deliver?)

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28 minutes ago, Calypox said:

Thanks for your thoughts mate!

 

The biggest improvement I could achieve in short time was replacing the yellow Industry Zones with the Office Zones.

 

Took only one ingame year to boost my population from 120k up to 135k.

 

It also reduces traffic in those areas since there are no trucks in office zones as it seems.

 

Parts of the other things you've written are already implemented in my city the same way.

 

This will be key to achieving this. Thanks!

 

Question:

- I don't really get it: what is the need for post offices and libraries - how do they improve my city, happiness only?

- (I have a few built throughout my city, but just very rarely)

- there is also a policy for mail delivery - changing mail into emails - the effect is reducing traffic only?

- will Business Zones be needed later on - since there will be no more yellow Industry Zones when I'm finished replacing everything? (no industry - nothing to deliver?)


no probs mate - on Post offices, it’s mostly about reducing traffic congestion ( which is clutch in a lot of things, especially how far a citizen will travel for thier job / purpose. that’s crucial for campuses, since you are trying to get huge numbers travelling from all over the city to one or two or three specific spots). Also - I can’t be sure it makes any difference, but in my city-mayor-brain, I figured that you need to get letters telling you you’ve been accepted to university, so... 😝

 

In terms of industry, I try very quickly to remove all dirty industry from my cities as a matter of course anyways - If i have any yellow, it’s always just a small seperate town for farming industry, and another for forrestry, each with their own cargo hub and a seperate rail network to bring the product to warehouses in the main city areas, where I build the unique factories. (Those can be useful to be located near your trade school).

 

The free wifi thing is minor bonus really - IMO it doesn’t reduce traffic by enough to justify the high cost, especially in a big city. You can achieve more with a good metro system and with proper road layout. Consider an underground highway system with underground roundabouts to access, that way you only need to worry about tunnelled on-ramps in terms pf spacing.

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Thanks for the quick reply!

 

Receiving letters for being accepted at University sounds good :)

 

Looking forward converting my city into one giant campus :P

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Hey mate,

 

I've now spent some time increasing the size of my city. Got up to 167k now - and holding it.

Thanks for your advice again!

 

Now the Problem:

- since 120k population the number of eligible students (always at 4300-4500) hasn't increase - it has stayed the same even my pop has grown by over 40k (according to the info tab)

- if I check my universities (I have 3) -  they each have around 2300-2500 students (total: about 7k)

 

Questions:

- I am kinda confused: how can I only have 4300-4500 eligible students but then having 2300 students per university?

- so does that mean eligible students isn't the same as actual students?

- and why could the number not be increasing?

 

Info:

- according to the info tab everbody in my city has at least access to the universities

- eligible for elementary school: 10k

- eligible for high school: 25k

 

Do you have any idea what's going on?

 

I'd be greatful for more feedback on this!

 

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Eligible students don’t generally move in - they grow up in the city. That means that the increased population has to ‘settle’ for a while, and start having children, who will move through the educational system.

 

you’ll probably see the eligible students for elementary school go up first, a few years after your influx of people, followed by highschool, then university, so I’d personally recommend just letting the population settle for a bit and concentrate on improving the city - road layout, new transport etc. for a while, in preparation for the eventual incrwade in uni students.

 

also, If you haven’t already, this is the time to turn on things like youth training for sports, lower ticket price for varsity games, free transport on game days etc, to encorage a lot of foot traffic around the campusses - if nothing else, that will highlight any weaknesses in your access routes and let you fix them before it truly hinders you

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Ok now I understand.

 

You're probably right. It will take time to increase.

 

Improving the road layout and so on will be the best to do while waiting. Good idea!

 

Thanks!

 

Edit:

I've achieved the trophy, finally.

 

Here is the solution that worked for me, maybe this helps whoever is missing the trophy too.

- I had to cheese it a little!

- I had a constant number of 180k (175k - 185k) population

- 10k eligable for elementary school, 25k eligable for high school, 5k eliable for university (with 9-10k already being in university)

- I had 3 University campuses spread all over the city

- possible space for 60k students (I built university buildings as crazy - just to boost the attractivity)

NOW comes the crucial part

- I turned off ALL university buildings

- I let time pass for about 5 ingame years so the city could calm down

- after this time my city contained 50k eliable students for university (still 180k pop)

- I paused the game, and turned on all university buildings again

- the trophy instantly popped

- right after getting the Education Nation Trophy I still was missing the For For-Profit Edication! Trophy (the one with 5k students in a single universty while covering all costs with the tuition fees) - see side-notes for more info

 

Side-Notes

- fast forward doesn't work if your city gets too big

- while disabling all university buidlings make sure you have enough money, because you will lose lots of it. (I had 10 million as I shut down all buildings - by the time I turned all of them back on I had about 3 million left)

- due to the universites being turned off so long, you will have lost all prestige levels

- the prestige levels will shoot up from level 1 to 5 again as soon as the academic year passes (each university campus had about 30-50k costs)

- when the academic year passed the tuition fee income jumped up to over 100k per university campus

- as I switched on all university campus buildings my academic year was about 3/4 finished, so I would guess that you don't have to hold the 5k and income>outcome for the entire academic year since I had only six weeks left

- this trophy popped immidiatly after the academic year had passed (in this time the students where over 5k in each of my 3 universites)

- traffic in my city was around 70% (not good, I know)

- overall happiniess above 90%

- public transport: only metro and bus

 

Important

- if you have the Hedron Collider or whatever the name is -  tear it down!

- turing it off or disabling the unniversity education option in it will not help

- if it's in your city you will have less students in your university campuses

- I tried all three options: only tearing it down really helped!

 

Standard Policies

- Education Boost

- Free Public Transport

 

Campus Policies

- student health increase

- both sports-policies

I literally have no idea if the other campus policies effect the number of students because I tried turned all possible combinations and nothing changed except the expences going through the roof.

 

 

Hope I could help :)

 

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I FINALLY GOT IT.

 

Okay. I'm not sure what did it, but I tested out a bunch of things, including using old and new save files, building one campus versus multiple campuses, and toggling on and off various policies. On most attempts, I peaked at 9k students. My best attempt last night was 13.3k, but I just hit 19.5k, with only a slightly higher population. I'm just going to post exactly what I did that worked, and then I'll list some things that may or may not be useful for getting this trophy to pop.

 

This WORKED:

  1. Start a new city and get a high population (150k+) WITHOUT building a university. I was able to do it with a population of 168k. I failed continuously with a population below that. To do this, I just picked a map that had a lot of land and built my city in a boring grid pattern. Build schools (elementary and high school only), hospitals, and police/fire stations. Use lots of Japanese Gardens to raise land value and promote fast growth.
  2. "Paint" an area in your city for a university and put down the roads, water pipes, and electrical lines. I chose to build ONE university in a corner of my city. I had more success with this than building multiple universities or "painting" the entire town and putting university buildings on every block, etc.
  3. Go to Info Views > Education > University and make sure you have at least 50k people eligible for university. I was NOT able to do this at 30k (or even 40k), like others have reported.
  4. Enable the following policies: Educational Boost, Free Public Transport, Educational Blimps.
  5. Put down an administrative building (I chose the Liberal Arts school), School of Education (or School of Law/Police Academy), and then a bunch of study halls, dorms, and clubs until you reach around 20k capacity. I suggest you leave the game at max speed while you do this. Every attempt I tried where I paused the game, placed my buildings, and then unpaused gave much lower results. I even created a backup save before #4 and tried this multiple times. Pausing the game before building the university gave me on average a 1-2k lower peak in enrollment.

Other tips:

  • Using a current save seems to be a waste of time, If you've already built a generic university (the one included with the base game). Basically, you would have to destroy or turn all those off, and then wait for the graduate population to die off (which might also cause some zoning issues, as offices usually require highly educated workers).
  • Getting 15k+ enrollment with generic universities will NOT pop the trophy.
  • I don't think you need more than one university, it doesn't have to be in the center of town, and the type of university doesn't seem to matter. My zoning was about 70% offices, 20% high density commercial, and 10% industry. You might be better off with more industry, but offices seem to be the fastest growing. Residential was mostly high density. I don't know if proximity to the university matters, but I had better luck building it on the edge of town (away from people) than trying to build it over existing sectors (and destroying the buildings there in the process).
  • I thought maybe destroying offices/industry or raising their taxes would encourage people to enroll in universities. It didn't seem to make much of a difference.
  • I don't know how important postal coverage is. I had five or six post offices in town, but no policies towards them.
  • I don't know how useful Industry 4.0 is. I tried it a few times, but not at all on my successful attempt.

If I had more time, I'd keep playing around with it, but this is a hard game to figure out. I just wanted to post my results for anybody still having trouble.

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