Is there any reason why a developer wont include a platinum in their game?

[mriaborat9]

theres a few games with just a 100% trophy list but no platinum that deserve a platinum (cough cough re4)

any speculation why a developer wouldn't include one?

Edited December 20, 2019 by mriaborat9
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[Sergen]

Considering this failed kickstarter has a reward tier specifically for adding a platinum trophy to the trophy list if it were to get one, I'm guessing companies that release non-AAA games have to pay extra for their trophy list to have a platinum. Aside from that, if it isn't an extra cost to add a platinum then they put in the bare minimum number of trophies without adjusting point values because they're too lazy to come up with enough trophies to make a platinum out of the list. It's always disappointing to see a game that obviously had enough content for a platinum not get a platinum and it normally makes me decide to only buy said game if it becomes really cheap in a sale. 

[Shadiochao]

I think it's probably because they don't understand the trophy system well enough. It's changed over the years, and most limits that were in place have since been lifted, but there's still a lot of confusion around it.

 

Companies like Sega still doesn't give its digital-only games platinums. Probably because in the PS3 days, smaller games weren't actually allowed to have them and they haven't updated their guidelines for trophies since then.

 

Capcom's excuse for Mega Man Collection 1 not getting a platinum is that it would've required more testing and not been able to meet the deadline, even though they wouldn't have needed to increase the amount of trophies if they just changed them all to gold. The trophy points and trophy tier system isn't particularly intuitive, so I can't blame them for not knowing they could have done that.

 

I can't remember who it was, but I saw an indie developer a few years ago who said they wished they had given their game a platinum, but they had already selected to give it a smaller scale list because they didn't know much about the process, or something similar to that.

[Milktastrophe]

1 minute ago, Shadiochao said:

I can't remember who it was, but I saw an indie developer a few years ago who said they wished they had given their game a platinum, but they had already selected to give it a smaller scale list because they didn't know much about the process, or something similar to that.

 

I remember that. I thought it was the dev for Galak-Z, but I couldn't find it any search. The closest I found was someone claiming the dev for Galak-Z said that games with a platinum require an "extra certification." Which I suppose jives with Capcom's reasoning for not giving Mega Man Collection 1 a platinum that you mentioned.

[AJ_Radio]

I'm not exactly sure how you posted this topic in the Trophy Checklists forum, but it definitely deserves to be somewhere else.

 

On topic, I feel that most of anything can get a platinum trophy now. In the PS3 heydays you were lucky to get an indie game with a platinum. The vast majority of them were 100 percents, and since 315 trophy points is the maximum a base game 100 percent game can have, there wasn't a whole lot to work with.

 

Platinum trophies demanded a lot more from the players. Battlefield: Bad Company 1, Crysis 2, Grand Theft Auto IV, Prototype 1 and Far Cry 2 among other games were all difficult on top of being very time consuming. A good number of PS3 games required a great deal of online multiplayer. Getting 10,000 kills in Battlefield: Bad Company 1, or finishing a multiplayer match with 16 players in Far Cry 2 was something you really had to work for. Then there was stuff like Vanquish that had the challenges, very difficult for a lot of players.

 

Nowadays getting a platinum trophy in terms of point value and numbers isn't really considered an achievement anymore. Somebody can have 300 - 400+ platinum trophies, but if I see that most of their list consists of Ratalaika Game stacks and extremely easy games that can be done in 30 - 60 minutes, then they're just a trophy whore. It doesn't mean shit, and I feel the leaderboards for the most part are entirely worthless and pointless to try to compete for trophy numbers and points.

 

I value platinum trophies individually, by the games themselves, what the trophies demand of you and what they mean for the player. Super Meat Boy to me is worth more than 200 piece of shit platinum trophies that you can do in just 30 minutes. Everyone knows that game is very hard, and coming from experience it demands a lot of dedication and time to master all the levels without dying. When I finally got the platinum trophy after so long, it was immensely satisfying and rewarding. My efforts finally paid off.

 

AAA games, as formulaic as they have gotten, still demand that you finish the game and do cleanup. I valued my time with Marvel's Spider-Man as it had me beat the story and gain all the collectibles, which are what platinum trophies should demand from the players. Shit like the Ratalaika Games stacks with their shitty trophy lists only devalue the system, not adding anything of value.

 

I made a PS3 vs PS4 discussion at PST.org regarding trophies. There's no standard anymore, anything can have a platinum and anything can't. A fair number of 100 percent games I've done probably should of deserved a platinum trophy. Mega Man 10 is a good example.

 

Just judging by platinum trophy count isn't good enough. Truthfully it's up to the developers whether they're going to add a platinum trophy or not, and if their game is going to be on Steam and Xbox One then they will have achievements, which most of the time are identical to the trophies.

 

Hopefully I made some sense.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Spaz

[Maahniac]

Yeah, I've never understood this. There are some piss easy games out there with a Platinum, and then there are games like Outlast, Resident Evil 4, as well as a game like Hawaii Shakedown which perhaps isn't difficult, but certainly has more meat on its bone than a bunch of games with an actual Platinum trophy.

 

Platinum hunting has lost a bit of its purpose for me, since they've become so easy to get, and there's a lot of Platinum stacking going on as well. I'm much more into achieving unearned trophies, and keeping a high completion rating, than Platinum trophies.

[DaivRules]

1 hour ago, Spaz said:

Truthfully it's up to the developers whether they're going to add a platinum trophy or not

 

I think that's the entire question that's being asked.

 

8 hours ago, mriaborat9 said:

any speculation why a developer wouldn't include one?

 

Aside from a comment here or there, there hasn't been a lot of developers willing to talk about trophies and none so far have been willing to leak the trophy guidelines that Sony has for developers. I'm guessing most developers know that trophies are a requirement, but spend more time on the game itself and throw them on afterward, but don't explore all their options.

[Metal]

As a no0b Trophy Hunter (new to PlayStation), I'm surprised to see a good few games that have a decent amount of challenge (or just a decent game overall), not have a Platinum Trophy. Just seems so silly when you see all these sub 1hr 1/10 difficulty games getting Platinums left and right. 

 

Little Nightmares

Resident Evil 4

Outlast

The new Hitman games

Trials Fusion... Etc... 

 

I don't get it man. All these games have the full 1,000g on Xbox. Rightly so, too. 

 

What irks me even more, like @Spaz has said above. Total amount of Platinums is almost irrelevant these days, add total Gamerscore to that too. Someone like me would never catch up to the guys high up on the Leaderboards because I'm not willing to buy games just for Trophies. Which is fine because I don't want to go for leaderboards anyways. I just enjoy going for the completions I want on the games I like. but then seriously why leave out a Platinum on a game that is fully deserving of it for no good reason? There should be more consistency.

 

What I'm really trying to say is: I don't care that crap games have easy Platinums. Each to their own and good for everyone who enjoys getting them. It's just bullshit that there's better games out there which are actually challenging that for some reason do not. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by FierceMetal

[EcoShifter]

Want to know this, too, as it bothers me. I absolutely love and am grateful for the fact that indie series like Shantae (thank you Wayforward. Now... just give me Shantae avatars), Unravel, etc, but very upset by the fact indie titles like Limbo, INSIDE, and Sonic Mania don't have platinum trophies. Companies like Housemarque (Dead Nation, Alienation, Resogun, Matterfall, etc) and EA (Unravel series, Fe, etc) have been consistent with implementing them, but companies like SEGA (Sonic Mania, and if fair, the last generation PSN Sonic games) and Playdead (Limbo, INSIDE) have yet to add platinum trophies in either a single of their indie titles or it's just too rare. Playdead in particular are already working on their next game, and iirc it's an even bigger budget and more ambitious than INSIDE, so I really expect and hope they add a platinum in that game.

Edited December 20, 2019 by EcoShifter

[starcrunch061]

8 hours ago, Sergen said:

Considering this failed kickstarter has a reward tier specifically for adding a platinum trophy to the trophy list if it were to get one, I'm guessing companies that release non-AAA games have to pay extra for their trophy list to have a platinum. Aside from that, if it isn't an extra cost to add a platinum then they put in the bare minimum number of trophies without adjusting point values because they're too lazy to come up with enough trophies to make a platinum out of the list. It's always disappointing to see a game that obviously had enough content for a platinum not get a platinum and it normally makes me decide to only buy said game if it becomes really cheap in a sale. 

 

This seems the most believable scenario. 

 

8 minutes ago, EcoShifter said:

Want to know this, too, as it bothers me. I absolutely love and am grateful for the fact that indie series like Shantae (thank you Wayforward. Now... just give me Shantae avatars), Unravel, and soon Little Nightmares (assuming part 2 gets a platinum just like part 1)...

 

Little Nightmares doesn't have a platinum trophy, though.

Edited December 20, 2019 by starcrunch061

[Metal]

4 minutes ago, EcoShifter said:

Little Nightmares (assuming part 2 gets a platinum just like part 1),

 

Not sure if its just a typo but Little Nightmares doesn't have a Platinum. Planning on playing it very soon so looked it up earlier. Fantastic game. Thoroughly deserves one. Base game has 1,000g on Xbox. Pretty sure all Xbox one games have the standard 1,000g regardless of length or difficulty (may be a few outliers but not that I'm personally aware of). It seems things are more consistent with Gamerscore. Maybe because that system is more straightforward? Who knows. 

[diskdocx]

It can't be that expensive to make it a plat list. Rat games has like 6-8 stacks a week and those games are usually quite cheap, so they can't be paying a fortune for the priviledge of having a plat.

 

Hell, there have been games that have launched for a buck with a plat.

 

I say this is 99% laziness on the part of the developers. They don't want to bother testing more trophies.

 

Regarding the diminishing value of a plat, I'm not going to re-open that debate other than to say, there aren't enough EZPZ games to get anywhere near the top of leaderboards. I understand if someone only wants to play super long/super hard games, that they won't rank high on leaderboards - but then you are playing for the enjoyment you get out of those games. Too much whining that easy games exists cause you don't want to play them and don't want others to either.

 

Slightly OT, but one think I really have noted of late, there is a decided loss of the art and creativity of trophy images, especially in AAA games, and increasingly a lot of them are dropping to 20-30 trophy lists. The days of most AAA releases having ~50 trophies seems to have been abandoned.

[starcrunch061]

1 minute ago, diskdocx said:

It can't be that expensive to make it a plat list. Rat games has like 6-8 stacks a week and those games are usually quite cheap, so they can't be paying a fortune for the priviledge of having a plat.

 

Hell, there have been games that have launched for a buck with a plat.

 

I say this is 99% laziness on the part of the developers. They don't want to bother testing more trophies.

 

Yeah, but this doesn't make sense, either. After all, every game has to have trophies, and many of the 100% games have more than just three golds and a silver. For example, going back to Little Nightmares, they could just change the list to gold trophies, and make a plat game without testing a single new trophy.

[Cassylvania]

I'm more disappointed by the fact that I know some people won't play a game because it doesn't have a platinum trophy than the fact that some games that should have a platinum trophy don't. Resident Evil 4 is a good example of that.

 

I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm OK with Little Nightmares not having a plat. Yes, it has one ridiculously hard trophy, but it wasn't very long. If there was some kind of standard, I'd make the cutoff about where Little Nightmares is, where games with more content would have a platinum and those with less would not.

[Metal]

4 minutes ago, Cassylvania said:

I'm more disappointed by the fact that I know some people won't play a game because it doesn't have a platinum trophy than the fact that some games that should have a platinum trophy don't. Resident Evil 4 is a good example of that.

 

I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm OK with Little Nightmares not having a plat. Yes, it has one ridiculously hard trophy, but it wasn't very long. If there was some kind of standard, I'd make the cutoff about where Little Nightmares is, where games with more content would have a platinum and those with less would not.

 

To be fair, as much as I'd love Little Nightmares to have a Platinum, I do totally agree with you. I guess I only want it to have one because:

 

1) I love the game.

2) Sooo many other games have them and they really, really shouldn't. 

 

There are quite a few games I'll be completing that don't have a Platinum and that's fine. They're worth my time and money because they're good games. I would just like to see an improvement with consistency when it comes to Trophies in general. 

[ShadeSplit]

10 hours ago, Shadiochao said:

I think it's probably because they don't understand the trophy system well enough.

 

It's really that simple. Some developers just don't realize that they can mark "full game" regardless of the content in their game, nor do they realize they will get some extra sales with a platinum trophy.

[scemopagliaccioh]

I doubt it's a monetary problem, look at Ratalaika games for example, that Patreon guy that had a "platinum tier" is just a scumbag.

I also doubt it's about quality, again look at Rata or even Burly man  that managed to be part of the PS Plus collection.

It has to be a combination of laziness and ignorance, laziness to test the trophies or thinking of ways to implement them, ignorance because they think only quality games must have platinums.

[KondeBra]

Nowadays even DLCs have platinums, everything is possible now.

[grifteskymfning]

As someone who does not play games without a platinum, and I know that there are many others just like me, I've told various devs several times that they will loose revenue if they don't include one, especially if they're a indie company.

 

Speaking of which, is it possible to add a platinum trophy later, as in a free update?

[trucmucho]

47 minutes ago, Cassylvania said:

I'm more disappointed by the fact that I know some people won't play a game because it doesn't have a platinum trophy than the fact that some games that should have a platinum trophy don't. Resident Evil 4 is a good example of that.

Hello. I 100% agree with you, and on the other side I sometimes play a game the way you described it.

- If I really like the game, trophy list is not important for me. (currently playing Farmers Dynasty, trophy list is a complete joke, but I enjoy the "tutorial" side of the game).

- If I don't like one or more aspects of the game, but feel I can enjoy it anyway, a platinum trophy is very important for me, as once I made the platinum trophy, I will stop playing the game. This platinum trophy is the only thing I will keep in my memory for this game. (ex : Farming Simulator, once the next version is released, older ones are uninstalled). --> No platinum trophy (either no platinum implemented or not achievable as I'm not PS+) and the game has drawbacks in my mind ? --> No buy and not playing it.

I used two similar "Farming Simulators" examples, as they are close in term of gameplay to show you what it means for me.

[theSpirae]

It's probably due to a fact Trophies are not that popular and getting more trophies = more testing and companies might not want to bother doing so.

[ShadeSplit]

27 minutes ago, grifteskymfning said:

As someone who does not play games without a platinum, and I know that there are many others just like me, I've told various devs several times that they will loose revenue if they don't include one, especially if they're a indie company.

 

Speaking of which, is it possible to add a platinum trophy later, as in a free update?

 

Probably not. The developers once said they would look into adding a platinum trophy to the PS3 version of Plants vs Zombies, but it never happened.

[diskdocx]

2 hours ago, starcrunch061 said:

 

Yeah, but this doesn't make sense, either. After all, every game has to have trophies, and many of the 100% games have more than just three golds and a silver. For example, going back to Little Nightmares, they could just change the list to gold trophies, and make a plat game without testing a single new trophy.

I totally agree. Rat has perfected the 12 gold + plat list, so really there is no excuse not to just make the trophies all gold and add a plat. At this point, every game should just have a plat. Doesn't matter where you cut it off, there will always be a harder game so you will never reach a point where you could say all plats are of equal merit

1 hour ago, Cassylvania said:

I'm more disappointed by the fact that I know some people won't play a game because it doesn't have a platinum trophy than the fact that some games that should have a platinum trophy don't. Resident Evil 4 is a good example of that.

 

I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm OK with Little Nightmares not having a plat. Yes, it has one ridiculously hard trophy, but it wasn't very long. If there was some kind of standard, I'd make the cutoff about where Little Nightmares is, where games with more content would have a platinum and those with less would not.

I've never understood the no plat no buy philosophy. Have played some gems with great lists and no plats. 

 

That said, I wouldn't sink 50 hours into a no plat game, nor would I pay full retail price for a non-plat list.

[theSpirae]

 

 

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, grifteskymfning said:

As someone who does not play games without a platinum, and I know that there are many others just like me, I've told various devs several times that they will loose revenue if they don't include one, especially if they're a indie company.

 

Speaking of which, is it possible to add a platinum trophy later, as in a free update?

People often overestimate how many trophy hunters there are. It's really drop in the ocean.

[grifteskymfning]

16 minutes ago, ShadeSplit said:

 

Probably not. The developers once said they would look into adding a platinum trophy to the PS3 version of Plants vs Zombies, but it never happened.

 

The developers of Bit Dungeon Plus said they would patch in a plat for EU and JP stacks since the AS got a plat, but they also never did.