Trophy Tips & Small Guide

[JakJakAttacks]

Hey there,

 

Been a lurker for a long time on this site and thought I'd contribute something of my own. This game doesn't appear to have much a following, but if there's someone else out there like me who had to piece together a bunch of info for my plat, hopefully this helps them. To preface:

 

What this is:

A small guide to remove ambiguity about some of the more annoying trophies using first hand information relating to the PS4 version of this game with a focus on reducing the likelihood of a second full playthrough for cleanup. There will be SPOILERS in this, so proceed with caution if you care about that.

 

What this isn't:

A step by step guide from start to finish on how to achieve every trophy. There are plenty of guides out there from years past that do a much better job of guiding if that's what you're looking for.

 

As of the date of this writing, the game on the PS4 is unstable. It crashed on me during my playthrough at least a dozen times. There are some odd text glitches that, after an hour or two of play, cause letters to either disappear, or to appear all glitched out making things impossible to read. Simply quitting the game and launching it again fixed this, but annoying nonetheless; especially on such a text heavy game such as this. However, despite its glitchy-ness, none of the trophies glitched for me or refused to unlock after fulfilling the criteria for them.

 

Lets get to it. First, some resources:

Here's an excellent FAQ written years ago for the original game on the PC. Pretty much all of this is still applicable for the PS4 release. Following this will help you unlock most of the trophies in the game.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/187975-planescape-torment/faqs/7964

 

For an existing guide on trophies here's a Steam 100% that goes through each one in a little detail. This is helpful for some, not for others as I'll expound upon more:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=918250506

 

Now for a list of the more annoying trophies for this game to help fill in some of the ambiguity I experienced reading about them elsewhere.

 

Balance in All Things

Probably the most annoying of all the trophies in this game. You cannot, at any time in your playthrough, go from True Neutral to any other alignment; even if you shift back to True Neutral by the end. This means if you shift alignment during the playthrough you'll have to reload a previous save. You can reload as confirmed by me and not lock yourself out of this at the end of your playthrough, but this is something you'll have to keep a constant eye on as you talk to NPCs, complete quests, and make choices throughout the game. I'd heavily recommend making multiple save files throughout your playthrough. Especially before major events  such as before Ravel's Maze, before confronting Trias, etc.That being said, the game is pretty forgiving and not thrusting you too quickly one direction or the other after a few lies, or good deeds. But try to keep a mental note on good/lawful vs evil/chaotic as you run through the game. The guide above always calls out what choices and responses affect your alignment.

 

That being said, it might be beneficial to focus your playthrough towards certain alignment shifts. Once the trophy pops for good, lawful, evil, and chaotic, reload your save and stop performing acts that would push you over the edge. Not only does this help cut down on cleanup, but it helps you know where you are on the spectrum. So if you began focusing on chaotic, once the trophy pops reload your most recent save so you remain True Neutral, and then focus now on doing lawful acts. Same for good/evil. By the end you're likely to have most/all of the alignment trophies with the added benefit of the trophy unlocking as an indicator that you should reload the save and stop focusing on any particular alignment. Some guides recommended doing your initial playthrough in whatever fashion you want and speedrun a second playthrough as neutral, and you can certainly do that but I didn't want to play through the entire game again just for cleanup and when I got my plat, I didn't need to do that.

 

As a good rule of thumb, just get in the habit of checking your alignment often and you should have no problems.

 

N'joi Ts'Cai'Sotex

Going along with the above, you can only join this faction if you are Chaotic. So if you ever drift into Chaotic during your playthrough or followed my recommendation to focus it at some point, then make a trip to Barking-Wilder outside of Smoldering Corpse before reloading your last save to get back to True Neutral.

 

Enchained Blade / Kin-Stealer / Streaming Blade

The other most annoying trophies in this game. You can unlock these in a single playthrough, but you must be careful what you say or do while Dak'kon is around. What I did was kept him neural by NOT completing his unbroken circle or interacting with other Gith such as those in the Lower Ward. You can unlock other alignment shift opportunities by taking your severed arm to Fell the tattoo seller and having Dak'kon translate, but do not actually talk to Dak'kon about this yet. Save it for later. Depending on your playstyle and party size, Dak'kon could be close to level 10 by the time you're about to go to see Ravel. If not, you can grind out a little more XP in the Modron Cube. BEFORE going to see Ravel make save. If you need more XP for Dak'kon to reach level 10 there are some great opportunities to get tons of XP in the Ravel conversation/encounter and immediately after when getting the key pieces in the Curst. Kick everyone out of the party but Dak'kon.

 

For Enchained Blade, you should be able to unlock this by default by not completing the unbroken circle. You can, if you like, complete most of it, just don't finish it. Also, be careful about not talking to him too much about his history regarding you and him. Don't taunt him or release him from enslavement. If for some reason you drifted too far to one side or the other, then talk to him and talk to him in the direction you need to get him back neutral. During the Ravel encounter, when she asks about Dak'kon tell her that you don't know him well enough.

 

For Kin Stealer, before going to Ravel, talk to Dak'kon and tell him he's still a slave. Belittle him. go to the Lower Ward and instruct Dak'kon to kill the sick gith woman named An'azi brutally. Then talk to Yi'minn and antagonize Dak'kon during the conversation. Then go to Ravel. During the conversation she'll ask about him. Tell her you *hate* him. This should be enough to push him for Kin Stealer when you level him to 10.

 

For Streaming blade complete the unbroken circle (requires 18 INT). Talk to him about your history together and tell him he no longer serves you and vow to him. Go to Lower Ward and instruct him to kill An'azi mercifully. Then when talking to Ravel state the he is your friend. This should be enough to get it when leveling him.

 

I read that the Ravel conversation is enough to push him one way or the other, but I thought it best to save other opportunities for his alignment in case I had to push him more in one direction or the other. Following the steps above got it all for me without much backtracking to reload the save before Ravel.

 

All too Real

This one is interesting. In order to unlock this one you have to lie throughout the game to tell people your name is Adahn in order to make him appear in Smoldering Corpse, the opportunities for which are listed here: https://torment.fandom.com/wiki/Adahn

 

However, this is made pretty simple pretty early in the game. At the beginning of the game you can go to the third floor of the Mortuary and tell each Dustman that you're looking for Adahn. I think there are around 5 and each one counts. I think you need a certain amount of CHA to have the option to ask (I had 13). Then do the same thing for Soego in the main level of the Mortuary. Ask about Adahn at the Dustman Monument by talking to Death-of-Names. Finally have each of the 4 chanting Dustman at the monument to chant for Adahn. All of these count and I confirmed that by going to Smoldering Corpse from here causes Adahn to appear. If for some reason he doesn't just keep more opportunities in mind when continuing your playthrough. Careful with your alignment on each lie. You should be fine but just make sure none of these lies pushes you into Chaotic alignment.

 

Unity of Rings

When you return to Sigil, you'll be able to talk to Mebbeth about her final wish before her death. This is highly missable and there's a lot of misinformation floating around about it. You can't just talk to her.  You MUST have a seed that Ravel gave you during your conversation in order to complete the conditions for this trophy. Otherwise you'll have to reload the save before Ravel which would require quite a bit of backtracking.

 

The Named One

This one is highly missable in two major ways. One, you need to have 21 WIS by the end of the game to unlock the necessary journal entries to do this, and two, you need to have brought the Bronze Sphere with you. Missing either of these criteria would require either quite a bit of backtracking if not an entirely new playthrough.

 

To Every Question, An Answer

Similar to the above, but for this you'll need 24 WIS by the end of the game in order to have access to the dialogue options necessary for this.

 

...yourself in your full glory

For this trophy you must get 25 into a single attribute. This is fairly straightforward. The only reason I mention this is, you can miss this if you're not focusing on an attribute and also the attribute increasing opportunities in the game. Shorting yourself on would likely require a half+ playthrough to get it if you miss it on your first. Just something to keep in mind.

 

And there you have it! I hope this helps someone else out there. I found a lot of confusing, insufficient, and contradictory information out there for these so I thought I'd try to fill in some of the gaps. Again, this isn't a full walkthrough of each of the trophies. The guides above will help you get the others. Some of them I didn't talk about are pretty missable, but easy to get if you know about it.

 

Cheers!

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by JakJakAttacks

[MMDE]

On 1/25/2020 at 10:54 PM, JakJakAttacks said:

 

As of the date of this writing, the game on the PS4 is unstable. It crashed on me during my playthrough at least a dozen times. There are some odd text glitches that, after an hour or two of play, cause letters to either disappear, or to appear all glitched out making things impossible to read. Simply quitting the game and launching it again fixed this, but annoying nonetheless; especially on such a text heavy game such as this. However, despite its glitchy-ness, none of the trophies glitched for me or refused to unlock after fulfilling the criteria for them.

 

 

 

 Any updates? I wish this game worked properly, as it was a great game for PC back in the days.

[bikeman223]

Does anyone know if you could follow/adapt one of the existing Planescape: Torment Speedruns on YouTube for the True Neutral Playthrough? I saw mention in a Steam forum that the current speedruns don't do enough to shift alignment.

 

Edit: I ended up doing a quick playthrough following the main story and referring to the GameFAQ for alignment. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by bikeman223

[bikeman223]

Despite following this guide I ended up getting 'Kin-Stealer' instead of 'Enchained Blade'. The only thing I can think that happened is that Dak'kon's moral was lowered by me telling Ravel that my friends were 'tools nothing more' before saying 'I didn't know Dak'kon well enough'. Or his deaths throughout the playthough lowered his moral? Just something to keep in mind.

 

Edit: I did it again and the only thing that went differently was that I avoided the 'tools' line, the trophy then unlocked normally.

Edited April 14, 2021 by bikeman223

[GastNDorf]

Dak’kon sword isn’t that bad. Just take him in your party from the start and ignore him completely in any dialogue or interaction, also ignore any gith in the game because it probably influences him. Once he has enough xp to be level 10, save your game. Level him up, get the enchained blade. Reload for the kin stealer, just murdering the two giths (through dialogue) in Lower ward should be enough. Insist on the gruesome death for the sick one, for the other belittle Dak’kon in any occasion, then talk to her again and force Dak’kon to kill her, that alone has been enough to shift him in my game. For streaming blade just completing the circle should be enough. I suggest you do this before Ravel because yes, talking to her either way while Dak’kon is here will change his morale, since you have to answer questions about companions, and it may compromise your trophies one way or the other. Plus after Ravel you can’t come back to Sigil after a long while if you need more morale shifts.
if you need to grind xp for him, the best I found is killing black abishai in the streets, gives 7k xp per kill, for a couple seconds depending on your power. It won’t shift your alignment nor draw the Lady of Pain attention so feel free to abuse it. Best spot is in Northwest Hive, there’s an abishai always spawning under the eastern door, it can be hard to spot because he’s right through the door so use the cursor to reach it. Kill him, enter the central house, and go back outside for them to respawn. Cherry on top being the house is also an inn (free if you do the tenant’s quest) so sleep when you’re low on HP. Only issue leveling Dak’kon is he’s multiclass, so his own xp is divided by 2 and he needs level 10 in fighter for his blade to change. Also if you don’t know xp is divided per character so dismiss everyone but him. That means from the 7k his fighter class only receives 1/4th of the xp if you’re alone with him, in other words 1750 xp per kill…

 

I could achieve True Neutral in my first playthrough, doing also 95% of the side quests in the mean time I assume. If you play like me you will end up shifting in chaotic good, for chaotic I don’t have much of an advice for you besides trying to act as lawful as possible if you ever go there. For good though, it’s not too hard to balance, by killing a couple citizens here and there (not enough to bring attention from the lady of pain, no worries), the issue being it shifts you to chaotic too so you still have to watch out for this. There’s a great item though for the part where you can’t return to Sigil, it’s the malevolent book you get from Mantuok (wererat in Lothar’s basement). It gives you evil points each time you ask him for advice (limited to at least a dozen times I’d say), I’d keep these opportunities for that part especially since you may do a lot of good after you go back in Curst. You can also do his 3 sacrifices if you feel you need a bigger shift toward evil, mind though for the 2nd you need to be in Sigil (sell a companion to slavery, I chose Nordom), for the 3rd you have to punch a companion to death on your own but you can resurrect him right away, once you did the third you can’t talk to the book anymore though.

 

The three classes to level 12 you can do that in a single game too, just accumulate enough xp to be level 12, save, level up, reload and just use another class. This may be struggle though, especially with mage since this class really sucks in this game and there’s not much of an advantage leveling several classes besides a couple of extra saving throws. One thing you could do though is stick with one class through the whole game, make sure it stays at level 11 at max (by not leveling to 12 or further, easy) until you reach the portal to the Fortress of Regret, then once you’re ready change to one of the class you haven’t used, make sure you don’t bring Ignus or Vailhor, quickly solve the puzzle in the first room (use every lever) then meet up with your incarnations, after having absorbed your good incarnation you should be able to use the bronze sphere, which gives you 2million xp alone, more than enough to level a class to 12. Once done, reload and repeat for the others.

 

Ok I can also give you an exploit to completely trivialize the game combat system, it’s an exploit that also exists in BG2, but in this game you need to respect some extra steps. This essentialy lets you have infinite money. You need a thief, you or Annah, to be able to steal from shops, and you need to get your pickpocket skill to 110 bare minimum. You can only go up to 100 through leveling, but there are ways to get over that cap once you reached it. There are a few permanent pickpocketting upgrades through observing other pockpockets (Fleece the only one I remember), training with Annah, a single use tattoo that gives a permanent upgrade etc… this works only for you though not Annah, alternatively you can also use several rat tail charms which stack, works for you or Annah.
 

Before I continue I must clear some asumptions. No, you can’t just sell an item you just stole from a shop, it will be permanently marked as stolen and unsellable. BUT, this rule doesn’t apply to stackable items, on the one condition that the first item of that stack was NOT stolen. This means you could buy one item and steal 98 others, the whole stack of 99 will be sellable. 
With that in mind, I’ll introduce you to Giscorl, a merchant in the Southwest Hive who has the lowest pickpocket resistance of 10, which means with a pickpocketting skill of 110, you have 100% chance to succeed. The only issue is Giscorl only sells crap, so you have to bring him some stuff. I’d suggest you bone charms (can buy infinitely from the merchant by Giscorl), cockroach charms (Mebbeth, only 3 max and replenish only 1 per day…), Heal scroll (Emoric if you’re Dustman, Lothar if you did his quest, only stacks to 5). Now just sell whatever you have, making sure you keep at least one in inventory, steal it back right away, sell it again… infinite money!

 

Now you’re telling yourself it won’t be much of a use in combat, but you’re wrong. You can now buy hundreds of heart charms and heal whenever since using items in this game is instant compared to BG or IwD where you have to use a turn per item. You’re basically immortal. You could also use charms but just sticking to healing has been enough for me (though at times stacking charms that make you 100% resistant to certain damage is handy).

In theory you could just steal the charms from other merchants, but the thing is they have way higher resistance. For some reason when I tried to stack rat tail charms I could only achieve 127 max, but the issue is I used almost every opportunity to overcap pickpocket before I was at 100 from leveling, so my base pickpocketting wasn’t much higher than 100. Still, 127 is enough to garantee stealing from Quint in the buried village, but he only has blood charms at most, though if you get hundreds of them it’s just as fine as heart charms now that I think of it… If somehow you can have a better pickpocket level see this list of shops: https://torment.fandom.com/wiki/Store_(PS:T) (Need 100+their steal failure to garantee stealing). Dver sells heart charms and would need 130 pickpocket for example.

Edited March 15, 2022 by GastNDorf

[WiktorM101]

On 2.09.2020 at 6:13 PM, MMDE said:

 Any updates? I wish this game worked properly, as it was a great game for PC back in the days.

It's fairy playable now with some minor bugs. Text bug is fully fixed for example.

 

Taking all beamdog remasters into consideration Neverwinter Nights is buggy as hell and Baldur's Gate SoD had some problems. Rest is fine.

[Brunkpryzak]

Adding to the bug notes...I just started playing this a few days ago and today the game started crashing every time I tried to save the game. The auto-save was working but any attempt to save manually caused a crash. This behavior persisted even on a fresh save file. It started after I got a free "rest" from asking Phineas T Lort about how he got to his current position at the Office of Vermin Control.

 

What fixed it for me was first deleting everything except the auto-save in the in-game menu. I was still seeing the crashing problem, so I then went to the PS5 save data menu and also deleted any leftover saves there; one particular save was somehow still in this folder despite having been deleted in-game. After that, things started working again.

 

Hopefully this helps somebody as I doubt it will ever get patched at this point. So far, I haven't seen any other issues besides the occasional crash when changing areas.