TLOU 2 spoilers galore and also Ghost of Tsushima delayed

[AJ_Radio]

30 minutes ago, Vampirehunter145 said:

 

¿So entitled "jewish" gringo wants to make statements? Fair enough (as Mimir says in GOW 4). I was planning on buying this day one. Now i'm watching this with a respected "youtuber" and after that, i'll decide if i want to spend my well earned (at least) 40-60 dollars in the "vainilla" edition. I don't have a problem with minorities, homosexuals, trans, lesbians. I have a problem when they try to suddnely, without telling anyone, shove ideological crap into my throat, butchering things i appreciated earlier. I mention Star Wars as an example. Ask Rian Johnson what happened with Episode 8 after the crap-fest they stuffed there like in a "Cristhmas" turkey. It backfired, the director and the writers got a giant backlash, movie didn't get the waited economical profits and "bye bye" the proyect of doing an "inclusive trilogy parade where everyone will accept whatever the hell a group of 40-50 people wants to feed us". P.D: I'm christian, and no, U.S and european citizens, we are not a bunch of radical retarded jackasses trying to kill other people with pitchforks and torches. Ironically, this plot coming from the studio with a jew as his "creative" head. P.D: Don't try to reach me with the "conservative/chrstian" stuff with Far Cry 5 as an example as that is a whole different thing.

 

I have yet to see a single post where someone stated they had issues with minorities, homosexuals, transgenders and lesbians in regards to this game.

 

During the past few hours I have read a number of Neil's posts on social media. He is basically a temper tantrum, whiny little child who can't accept any voice of criticism. These are the kinds of people running Hollywood now. Naughty Dog is in fact in close proximity with Hollywood. A number of movies I've seen come out of Hollywood these past few years have basically tried to shove down a political agenda in some form or another, while trying to milk what they can out of Star Wars and the multitude of Marvel blockbuster films that all follow the same themes.

 

I don't associate Christians as radical retarded jackasses. It's the crazy nutball religious assholes who give Christians a bad reputation. Like that one guy in Florida who thought people were too weak minded and scared because of the C19 virus posing a significant threat. Of course it's a fucking threat, I'm still stuck at home working remotely.

 

The days of Jak and Daxter and Uncharted giving Naughty Dog a high reputation are over. As the old saying goes, "Shit rolls from top to bottom". If all these people at Naughty Dog or who were at Naughty Dog are disgusted, you just need to look at the top bracket. If a moron heads a company or project, shit isn't going to go well for the people under them.

 

8 minutes ago, PostalDudeRus said:

You guys should see spoilers to get idea about how shitty plot is. I know we talk kinda off context, but man, there are some deeply-wrong bullshit happens in game, as for me. I am not going to spend money for game of this quality. It looks outstanding in visuals design,but what happens in leaked plot are beyond stupid. I hate when companies making games to satisfy social propaganda needs and SJW auditory. I am not hating anyone, but games are not field to make political statements. Sad,sad and again sad. This is one of the reasons I wouldn't buy PS5, because games are cost a lot, but they keep making worst and worst game with every year. I grew up on games made in 90s - classic, complicated,fun, without hand-holding and replayble for many years. But nowdays? I'll pass.

 

This is why I don't enjoy AAA games as much anymore like I used to.

 

Graphics do not equate to quality. People can throw the book and debate with me all they want on that, but a game with only graphics going for it is a polished turd in my eyes.

 

I mean sure, the indie market has a lot of bad apples. But generally I find the good indies to have compelling gameplay. Something like Tetris Effect offers deep compelling gameplay, they took something from decades ago and redesigned it so it's fresh and exciting. Furthermore it doesn't hold your hand and offers possibly limitless replay value. That is more than what I can say for a lot of modern day AAA games. Especially considering how easy AAA games are now, the companies treat us like we've never been challenged or played games that require us to use our brains a little.

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Spaz

[TrophyChief]

Regardless of the controversy surrounding the leaks, narrative, and alleged political slant it takes, I plan on playing the game and earning the associated trophies. I will make up my own mind on  whether it will be a game I recommend playing and buying.

[xh117]

21 hours ago, rotoninja said:

 

I feel this happens a lot when a franchise/type of hobby (Star Wars, comics, etc.) reaches critical mass. When something niche suddenly becomes overly popular, it then becomes easy to market  and put on a path to maximize it profits; this comes at a cost unfortunately as sometimes decision makers cater to the lowest common denominator vs. the original fans, who supported the product in the first place. There's some initial spin by the page view news and the IGNs, but in the end nothing is left but piles of ash. Where is Star Wars now? How many comic book stores are closing these days? What is the current state of Battlefied? All good things come an end and enjoying ND's games were fun while they lasted...but the red flags started to appear when Druckmann decided to remove Doughnut Drake from UC4 to not offend overweight people.

 

Thank God for indie game developers. 

Drunkman talks about being inclusive then removes doughnut drake so fat people can't enjoy having a relatable character for once. Who even is the target audience for TLOU2? Not the fans or SJW who don't even buy games...really sad to see one of the best playstation developers go down this way. I didn't think TLOU1 was that amazing but it was at least a decent game.

[AJ_Radio]

1 minute ago, xh117 said:

Drunkman talks about being inclusive then removes doughnut drake so fat people can't enjoy having a relatable character for once. Who even is the target audience for TLOU2? Not the fans or SJW who don't even buy games...really sad to see one of the best playstation developers go down this way. I didn't think TLOU1 was that amazing but it was at least a decent game.

 

And this is after they ditch Uncharted.

[damon8r351]

2 hours ago, Spaz said:

 

I have yet to see a single post where someone stated they had issues with minorities, homosexuals, transgenders and lesbians in regards to this game.

 

During the past few hours I have read a number of Neil's posts on social media. He is basically a temper tantrum, whiny little child who can't accept any voice of criticism. These are the kinds of people running Hollywood now. Naughty Dog is in fact in close proximity with Hollywood. A number of movies I've seen come out of Hollywood these past few years have basically tried to shove down a political agenda in some form or another, while trying to milk what they can out of Star Wars and the multitude of Marvel blockbuster films that all follow the same themes.

 

I don't associate Christians as radical retarded jackasses. It's the crazy nutball religious assholes who give Christians a bad reputation. Like that one guy in Florida who thought people were too weak minded and scared because of the C19 virus posing a significant threat. Of course it's a fucking threat, I'm still stuck at home working remotely.

 

The days of Jak and Daxter and Uncharted giving Naughty Dog a high reputation are over. As the old saying goes, "Shit rolls from top to bottom". If all these people at Naughty Dog or who were at Naughty Dog are disgusted, you just need to look at the top bracket. If a moron heads a company or project, shit isn't going to go well for the people under them.

 

 

This is why I don't enjoy AAA games as much anymore like I used to.

 

Graphics do not equate to quality. People can throw the book and debate with me all they want on that, but a game with only graphics going for it is a polished turd in my eyes.

 

I mean sure, the indie market has a lot of bad apples. But generally I find the good indies to have compelling gameplay. Something like Tetris Effect offers deep compelling gameplay, they took something from decades ago and redesigned it so it's fresh and exciting. Furthermore it doesn't hold your hand and offers possibly limitless replay value. That is more than what I can say for a lot of modern day AAA games. Especially considering how easy AAA games are now, the companies treat us like we've never been challenged or played games that require us to use our brains a little.

 

 

You know, I'm starting to think maybe you misunderstood that opinion of mine you were calling "a breath of fresh air" in one of my statuses yesterday.

[Stardroid]

Edited because I can't be bothered. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Stardroid

[CryptoNorge]

I don’t like the sound of the plot with this game, I’m not prepared to see my two favourite characters Joel and Ellie get botched up in a meat grinder because some steroid tranny wants to play beat up on them.....?

[AJ_Radio]

EDIT

Edited April 30, 2020 by Spaz

[kerck11]

I'm not gonna spoil it for you guys but after the TLOU2 people lost their shit and refunded their preorders. Those leaks seems legit cause Naughty Dog reacted to it in a depressing way. I mean, 5 or 6+ years of work wasted just by a person that was not properly paid by them. I'd still play it despite of  what happens but anyway. 

What are you thoughts about this? 

 

[MarioMan200]

I am still going to play and platinum TLOU1 soon enough and most likely ignore the 2nd game, mainly it didn't held too much of my interest and after witnessing the recent leaks of the plot for the game being complete shit, in kinda glad I did.

[Stardroid]

1 hour ago, Spaz said:

Awesome. @Stardroid thinks he is this intellectual who feels the opinions of those who will buy the game or won't buy the game entirely based on the leak are a bunch of "simpletons" because their use of vocabulary is minimal.

 

Go join a forum somewhere where more like minded intellectuals can help reason with your stance on Naughty Dog. Because us regular folk with an average intelligence can't comprehend half of your drivel. Go join your corner of elitism, because we don't need to hear that crap.

You are exactly the kind of clown I referenced in my earlier post which I deleted to not have to deal with this crap. Not once did I claim what you are doing here and this coming from you. I don't think I've seen irony this thick this year. Thanks for that. I also don't understand what vocab has to do with anything. Not once, anywhere did I mention that, ever. 

 

But, I will spell it out for you since you have difficulties reaching my mountain high intellect. The simpletons are the people who think one dimensionally. Aka see a trans character and not explore further. Or see snippets of a story and think it tells everything. I hope this simplification helps you out, Spaz. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Stardroid

[Rias Gremory]

Though i'm not a huge fan to TLOU's but I seen this same shit before. Development Studios are selfish, greedy, snake-eating assholes who don't paid there employees enough after all the hard work they done just like Rockstar Games included. 

[damon8r351]

Yeah, sure, let's have another one of these fucking threads, why not?

 

EDIT: I'd like to state that this response of mine was originally part of a completely separate thread, and now it makes no sense here.

Edited April 30, 2020 by damon8r351

[mackenzie129]

So my response on another thread linking it here got merged.... 
I'm giving it the ole college try if I like it I like it if not well can always sell it 

Edited May 1, 2020 by mackenzie129

[AJ_Radio]

9 minutes ago, Stardroid said:

You are exactly the kind of clown I reference in my earlier post which I deleted to not have to deal with this crap. 

 

Difference is I didn't jump on the hate bandwagon or jump to conclusions like a lot of people who have stated they won't purchase The Last of Us Part II. I didn't have my money and prayers banked on this game as many long time The Last of Us fans did before the leak came out.

 

I'm sorry so many people lack the intelligence and the logic reasoning to look at this issue far deeper than just throwing blind hate around. The employees who left and those who are still at Naughty Dog must be feeling the pressure I'm sure. Other than that, I'm not defending Naughty Dog, because from where I'm standing they're a sign of the times. Politics getting shoved into games for no reason other than to state "Hey we did it, what are you going to do about it?"

Edited April 30, 2020 by Spaz

[Stardroid]

Just now, Spaz said:

 

Difference is I didn't jump on the hate bandwagon or jump to conclusions like a lot of people who have stated they won't purchase The Last of Us Part II. I didn't have my money and prayers banked on this game as many long time The Last of Us fans did before the leak came out.

 

I'm sorry so many people lack the intelligence and the logic reasoning to look at this issue far deeper than just throwing blind hate around. The employees who left and those who are still at Naughty Dog must be feeling the pressure I'm sure. Other than that, I'm not defending Naughty Dog, because from where I'm standing they're a sign of the times. Politics getting shoved into games for no reason other to state "Hey we did it, what are you going to do about it?"

Every post you make you just keep showing me more and more that I am right about you. And yes, it is true that it's unfortunate people don't have the reasoning skills to at least dig a little deeper. And what politics are you talking about here? You know the motivation of the developers? You know why they put in political things? I don't, I can't read their minds. Politics is on almost every game. It's just when it's something that people don't like, they get bent out of shape and start moaning about it. These people simply need to grow up and realise it's a video game. 

[AJ_Radio]

1 minute ago, Stardroid said:

Every post you make you just keep showing me more and more that I am right about you. And yes, it is true that it's unfortunate people don't have the reasoning skills to at least dig a little deeper. And what politics are you talking about here? You know the motivation of the developers? You know why they put in political things? I don't, I can't read their minds. Politics is on almost every game. It's just when it's something that people don't like, they get bent out of shape and start moaning about it. These people simply need to grow up and realise it's a video game. 

 

There's a stark difference between politics shoved into a game, and politics presented in such a fashion that was well laid out and acceptable.

 

Metal Gear Solid falls in the latter category. According to most, The Last of Us Part II falls in the former.

 

Yes, politics is in a lot of video games, with the exception of overly simple games that play in a Super Mario Bros esque fashion that don't really have a story. Metal Gear Solid instilled politics in it's stories for nearly two decades. I don't recall anybody complaining about it on a mass scale. Since you already done the Metal Gear Solid games, I'm sure you know this.

 

That's why I mentioned the pitch fork mentality earlier. People have this sense of passion, then when something changes to resemble a form they don't like, they complain en masse.

 

The fact that countless people got so worked up over a leak in a video game is pathetic enough. What worries me the most is most of these people are long past high school and college. They should of reached the age of reason long ago. Yet they gather on the internet to act like children.

[Stardroid]

28 minutes ago, Spaz said:

 

Snip

Okay, so what do you know of this game and the politics implemented that is not well laid out? I guess we can agree on the latter of your post. 

I am just going to form my opinion using your post here just so we can put it out there, since I guess I should not have deleted my earlier post and I'll just go there. This is on two topics. 

 

The first is the political argument. Warning, there are slight spoilers ahead. Politics is something implemented in pretty much every work that has a human mind behind it. There will always be influences in a person that bleed into their work. This is not important to me in the slightest. Whether is a Russian invasion, nazism, an evil Christian organisation or whatever. What matters is that you implement a political given in such a way that it created an interesting arc which is believable and sucks you into the game. This video game is a work of fiction. I don't get bent out of shape when there is something I do not politically agree with because it's f i c t i o n. The simpletons I talk about are the ones who have apparently fused fiction with reality and get so upset by things that clash with their own world vision that they simply can't cope. I'm sorry, but those people are pathetic. You can spin me around as an elitist all you want. 

 

The second one is on the nature of Social Justice and darker undertones in the story. Why are people losing their minds over a trans character (is that even confirmed)? Again, simpletonian logic. They define a character only by one trait. Being black, being gay or being transexual. As any serious person who has ever written a book, created a game or whatever, they will tell you that in order to create convincing characters, you have to create them multidimensionally. So, they are not just trans, they are not just gay, they are not just evil. It is up to Naughty Dog to create these characters in interesting ways. It is simpletons who can't see past this and have the judgement hammer ready. Geoffrey from Gams of Thrones was a despicable person, but a very interesting and well played character. The Night King was a character with a lot of interesting things going on, but fell short because they didn't flesh him out enough so he was a terrible character over all. This is how you build a game or any work of fiction. 

 

More on the simpletonian logic of Social Justice. Ellie is gay as we know from the DLC. The simpletons will have you believe that Ellies sexuality is implemented superficially and not worth anything. Again, this is not true. The DLC handled Ellie her sexuality very well by building her relationship up gradually and not dealing in stereotypical tropes. Who knew that a lesbian character could have an interesting love story to tell? I for one was very shocked. It's the same with Abby. Who knows, if a muscular woman can have a very interesting story to tell. I don't know for sure, does anyone else? They don't, but it's the stupid people out there who have their  mind made up without knowing anything. The darker undertones of the story is very simple to me. I am interested in how a story is told to me, not the way I want a story to be told. A story is not good or bad based on what I like but on autonomous story telling. Am I going to say people are dumb for not liking a story because it doesn't go their way? No, it's reasonable to not like a direction of a narrative. But that does not mean the story is intrinsically bad. Which, is again another point people seem to gladly miss. 

 

There, now you know why I think there is so much stupidity floating around. Also, apologies to the moderators for the excessive use of the word simpleton. I'm just lost for words and I'll take that L if it's decided it deserves a warning point. I will actually now back out because there isn't anything else to say (after the third time, I know. If anyone wants to have a word with me, you are free to send me a private message. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Stardroid

[Lonemankane]

glad they are getting pushed back but I will have to say the leak for last of us 2 is just like a rehash of wolfenstein 2 or young blood, your better off being spoiled to save your money for something else like Ghosts of Tsushima as at the end of it if ND are going to please the sjws and all that crap your better off just leaving them I mean look at mirror's edge last game or as I stated before wolfenstein if devs want to please them people more then the fans your better off just leaving them no matter how good of dev they are.

 

Sure my thoughts might come off as either bad or just crapy but I feel I speak the truth as this kind of thing has gone on and on for too long and we the people who buy their games should stop and give nothing with our cash to show them we don't want this and want it like this and this. I mean I don't care for the last of us but if I was a fan I would wake up and say no I want it like this and this. but hey people would buy it due to how over hyped it is. it might turn into another no man's sky in terms of how it will bomb in sales.

[panikooooos]

Ummm so a full 1h and 30m 1080p (yes you read that correctly) of footage has been leaked, I'll just leave it here for anyone who wants to see ? (i guess it goes without showing, there are extreme spoilers in here especially after the 1h mark)

 

Spoiler

https://m.cda.pl/video/509538290?wersja=1080p

 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by panikooooos

[Deadsh0tdoubleG]

Unfortunately, I got spoiled and I thought I would share my thoughts about what's going on (without spoiling, of course).

 

I do not have a issue with games being political, expressing certain opinions about groups of people etc. A game might make me think about things, but I do not expect any game ALONE to change my views about something. As in any form of art, games are, to an extent, the expression of their creator's/director's views/opinions/etc. In this instance, If Neil Druckman wants to say things through his games, it is his right and people need to chill out. No one is forced to buy his games, especially if you don't agree with his views.

 

However, I do have a problem for a sequel to do an 180 degree turn from the first game. With TLOU2, things are completely different (side note: I have yet to play Left Behind, so I don't if some of the leaks are being hinted there). What was a pretty much "apolitical" game, seems to have become a collection of x/y/z views. And, in order to accommodate these changes, the plot, character arcs (old and new), the game as a whole, have to be altered in such ways, that it makes no sense. Like, at all.

 

We have to wait for the final game to be released, in order to judge the plot properly. Although I highly doubt it, maybe these changes are being justified by the rest of the plot that hasn't leaked yet. Of course, justified doesn't mean people have to like it. Personally, I was going to preorder, but I cannot deny that I have serious second thoughts now.

[Baker]

June 19th. Can’t wait. I’m really excited to finally play it. TLOU is one of my favorite games I’ve played. I think this game is going to be really good. What does everybody else think?

[DividedByMankind]

2 minutes ago, BB-BakkerJ said:

June 19th. Can’t wait. I’m really excited to finally play it. TLOU is one of my favorite games I’ve played. I think this game is going to be really good. What does everybody else think?

I guess ill be bying it on offer( i never do this usually) especially to a game this big and one of my favourites of all time, this is just me this time? ill still have a blast with ghost of tushima!?

9 minutes ago, Deadsh0tdoubleG said:

Unfortunately, I got spoiled and I thought I would share my thoughts about what's going on (without spoiling, of course).

 

I do not have a issue with games being political, expressing certain opinions about groups of people etc. A game might make me think about things, but I do not expect any game ALONE to change my views about something. As in any form of art, games are, to an extent, the expression of their creator's/director's views/opinions/etc. In this instance, If Neil Druckman wants to say things through his games, it is his right and people need to chill out. No one is forced to buy his games, especially if you don't agree with his views.

 

However, I do have a problem for a sequel to do an 180 degree turn from the first game. With TLOU2, things are completely different (side note: I have yet to play Left Behind, so I don't if some of the leaks are being hinted there). What was a pretty much "apolitical" game, seems to have become a collection of x/y/z views. And, in order to accommodate these changes, the plot, character arcs (old and new), the game as a whole, have to be altered in such ways, that it makes no sense. Like, at all.

 

We have to wait for the final game to be released, in order to judge the plot properly. Although I highly doubt it, maybe these changes are being justified by the rest of the plot that hasn't leaked yet. Of course, justified doesn't mean people have to like it. Personally, I was going to preorder, but I cannot deny that I have serious second thoughts now.

Its not political that bothers me, it is joel, and love fest story ?

[Gommes_]

Oh man! Please leave out this political shit from games! Almost every field of our everyday life is poisoned with politics. I don't want to deal with it all the time but only when I want to. For example, I watch John Oliver because I want to be in that mindset at a specific time and I made the choice to see ridiculous and shocking stuff. Bringing that crap into a franchise which never dealt with it is just plain awful and stupid.

 

That's why certain episodes of TV shows stick out so much too. You as the audience made some sort of agreement with the production team that a specific world is portrayed. If that is not the case anymore people don't like it. Modern Family and New Girl had the same problem. They were never political, which is fine, cause people liked it for what it is. So when they were political for one episode people hated it.

 

This also works the other way around. Veep is always political or even a show like Broad City. If they change the tone and do not portray that anymore the fan base will riot. Easy as that.

 

Please developers and directors stick to your shit! And if you do have another vision, create a new product! Don't force your ideology on people who never cared for it to begin with, even though I think that the dose also plays a major role. Some parts here and there are fine I guess. Making it the main aspect suddenly only can go wrong. And to the people being okay with it, just imagine the opposite ideology being brought into your shows, movies and games.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Gommes_

[AJ_Radio]

18 minutes ago, Gommes_ said:

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Couldn't of said it better myself. I hate the fact our lives are being poisoned with politics. Especially considering the hobby I've stuck with for over 25 years is gradually being infested with it. One reason why I gravitate towards older games and indies.