Run like the wind trophy

[bratMario]

32 minutes ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

 

This post totally reads like someone who is mentally grown up. For sure. 

This post totally reads like someone who is totally empty and has nothing to say. For sure. 

[Letenko]

1 hour ago, bratMario said:

I checked my game stats and I saw there that someone put bounty on me 5 times during my last month or so gameplay. 4 times I didn't even notice that but 5th time I did notice and survived whole day and got the Run Like the Wind trophy. I AM NOT A CHEATER and recommend everyone else just play the GTA V to get this ATTAINABLE trophy until there is still time. NOW I (mentally grew up and) do not care someone from CRT put this stupid flag on me. This is against common sense to HIDE anything (game) because of corrupted Leaderboard rules. Don't be fool, be free, be HAPPY, as I AM

 

 

 

Weren't you one of the people who asked Le_Marco for help in his discord? (feel free to correct me, of course) Would be againts common sense to be left on the leaderboard if you asked someone with a modified game to help you achieve something unachievable now, wouldn't it?!

 

I would genuinly like to ask why do you think the leaderboard rules are corrupted since they are the same to everyone and basically boil down to "do whatever, just don't use outside resources to alter the game".

[bratMario]

23 minutes ago, Letenko22 said:

Weren't you one of the people who asked Le_Marco for help in his discord? (feel free to correct me, of course) Would be againts common sense to be left on the leaderboard if you asked someone with a modified game to help you achieve something unachievable now, wouldn't it?!

 

I would genuinly like to ask why do you think the leaderboard rules are corrupted since they are the same to everyone and basically boil down to "do whatever, just don't use outside resources to alter the game".

No, I do not know the Le Marco guy. I was accused but it wasn't true. IMHO game servers also are outside resources too. Standalone game is dead without those. Modders fixed the problem right now enabling game feature so this is OK for me. 

Rules for Leaderboard are corrupted IMHO because of single questionable/flagged trophy removes all of them (whole profile) instead only contested one, but this isn't my problem anymore. 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by bratMario
I can't let outside resources (PSNProfiles Leaderboard rules) enslave me and decide which trophy I can get and game I can play or not. Let's be serious, let's be FREe

[JunkSkelington]

The "if I'm going down I'm going to try to take as many people with me" attitude is beyond scumbag.

[GrantVernonHart]

On 3/11/2021 at 11:40 PM, bratMario said:

I checked my game stats and I saw there that someone put bounty on me 5 times during my last month or so gameplay. 4 times I didn't even notice that but 5th time I did notice and survived whole day and got the Run Like the Wind trophy. I AM NOT A CHEATER and recommend everyone else just play the GTA V to get this ATTAINABLE trophy until there is still time. NOW I (mentally grew up and) do not care someone from CRT put this stupid flag on me. This is against common sense to HIDE anything (game) because of corrupted Leaderboard rules. Don't be fool, be free, be HAPPY, as I AM

 

 

 

I feel you bro, stay strong ?

[bratMario]

 

8 hours ago, GrantVernonHart said:

I feel you bro, stay strong

Thanks, but still there are a lot of peoples who are unfortunatelly toxic, they haven't any reasonable arguments, instead, they using sarcasm. I don't want to go down to their level, I'll stay beyond. 

[The Moose Knuckler]

On 11/3/2021 at 2:12 PM, bratMario said:

No, I do not know the Le Marco guy. I was accused but it wasn't true. IMHO game servers also are outside resources too. Standalone game is dead without those. Modders fixed the problem right now enabling game feature so this is OK for me. 

Rules for Leaderboard are corrupted IMHO because of single questionable/flagged trophy removes all of them (whole profile) instead only contested one, but this isn't my problem anymore. 

 

I feel ya man. I played online 5 years ago and when I decided to come back to the game early this year I noticed I still had a bounty from 2016 (last time I played the game). I only played in private lobbies as I do not want to deal with molders. The CRT team doesn't care. You are guilty no matter what. Even if you earned the trophy legit it doesn't matter to them.

[The_Jigsaw_Cult]

On 26/09/2021 at 5:05 PM, Denizcankaya97 said:

It wasn’t even an auto trophy popping. The modders just activated a game feature that players could use it for their advantage and use that opportunity to get a trophy. Bounty was removed back in 2017. But players can get that trophy nowadays because of a little modder help. But they must still do the requirement that trophy offers. And those funny modders forget the fact that modders could put modded bounties back in 2013. Back in the day I killed a player that had modded bounty and shared the reward with other players. 

 

https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/2093-grand-theft-auto-v/42-run-like-the-wind

Yeah it's a broken system mate. This trophy should be allowed same as the black ops 2 one. Can't help if a modder auto pops shit for you 

[Kikinovich]

Good morning an hi everybody.

 

This is my first post in psnprofiles and I have same problem as many of you.

I was playing GTA5 and received a message on the cell phone saying something as: "Unknown put a bounty on your head and a reward of 25000$". I kept playing and then the trophy popped up.

I'm not a hacker, even I'm not a trophy hunter (I have zero platinum), sometimes I join a session to get online trophies and just have fun.

I don't want to be considered a cheater. I just was playing to raise my level (I'm only 46 right now) and get this trophy unintentionally.

I don't understand why I should hide this game or trophy if I didn't do anything wrong.

 

Thank you so much friends and sorry for my English, it's not my mother tongue.

 

[HuntingFever]

26 minutes ago, Kikinovich said:

Good morning an hi everybody.

 

This is my first post in psnprofiles and I have same problem as many of you.

I was playing GTA5 and received a message on the cell phone saying something as: "Unknown put a bounty on your head and a reward of 25000$". I kept playing and then the trophy popped up.

I'm not a hacker, even I'm not a trophy hunter (I have zero platinum), sometimes I join a session to get online trophies and just have fun.

I don't want to be considered a cheater. I just was playing to raise my level (I'm only 46 right now) and get this trophy unintentionally.

I don't understand why I should hide this game or trophy if I didn't do anything wrong.

 

Thank you so much friends and sorry for my English, it's not my mother tongue.

 

It's because that trophy is impossible to earn legit and can only be obtained in hacked lobbies with help from hackers, thus it isn't wanted on the leaderboards. To avoid being flagged and have to go through the dispute process, it's best to just hide the list and write off the game.

[The-Man-In-Black]

On 9/26/2021 at 3:27 PM, B1rvine said:

 

 

First, I'll begin by saying that I earned the RLTW trophy after the bounty system had been removed.  Once i heard that the PS3 online was going to be shut down, I started attempting to clean up other online trophies from GTAV that I simply never got around to, ended up randomly dropped in a hacked lobby, and got a bounty put on me.   This had already been discussed before.  My position on this has been made clear multiple times, and was the same long, long before I had any skin in the game.   Check my post history.   My position is and will continue to be that no player should be penalized in any way for situations like this where trophies can pop through no fault of their own, or any deliberate actions taken by them.   But this site, for reasons that continue to elude me, believes that the best course of action is to act as if everybody affected was a deliberate cheater.   Take whatever actions you want against me; I would first have my account deactivated on this site and leave before I start hiding trophies or accepting being flagged as a cheater for something I had absolutely nothing to do with.   My trophies -- Including RLTW -- have all been earned 100% legitimately.  The fact that a completely different person took completely different actions that I had nothing to do with does not invalidate the fact that I met 100% of the requirements for earning the trophy in a completely legitimate manner.

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The staff ultimately voted that the preservation of games, and the continued ability to play games, even by using outside tools, was the most important thing in a gaming community. 

 

The logic here is completely backwards.  By taking action against those who earned RLTW and similar trophies in the handful of other games where this is even a possibility means that you are effectively telling members of this community "You cannot play this game.  Playing this game normally will run the risk of being removed from the leaderboards and flagged as a deliberate cheater".   You are actively limiting which games players can play.  

 

You even used "even by using outside tools".  WTF?  So "using outside tools" to keep an entire game running is OK, but "using outside tools" to restore limited functionality to the game isn't?   The leaps of logic that are needed to come to this conclusion are absolutely astounding, and you are basically hand-picking which games it's OK to cheat on and which games aren't.   You're literally saying "using outside tools is OK, but we're going to flag you for cheating because someone else used the same 'outside tools' that we just said were OK because maintaining functionality is that important." 

 

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There's strict rules in place though for private servers, mainly that the servers need to be open source, so that any person is able to play the games at any time, without the reliance on someone else. By requiring open source options, this also prevents gatekeeping, and ensures that the requirements of the trophy are unchanged.

 

RLTW's trophy requirements are and always have been unchanged:

 

* another player places a bounty on you.

* Survive with that bounty on your head for one in-game day.  

 

That's it.  The fact that another player "used outside tools", to use your own words, to place that bounty should be completely irrelevant to the player earning the trophy.   Even when the bounty system was legitimately available on the PS3, why should the player have cared how or why the other player put a bounty on them in the first place?   Even now, since you yourself said that outside tools are acceptable to maintain functionality that the developers themselves have shut down so long as trophy requirements are unchanged, why should it matter whether or not the other player is using CFW?  

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Grand Theft Auto's "Run Like the Wind" cannot be equally obtained, since it requires "luck" that a hacker places a bounty on you (i.e some players will just never get a bounty on them, as common as it might be that it happens). Furthermore, there's other advantages not native to the original code, such as being able to earn billions through the bounties, making other trophies easier, etc.

 

Do you really want to discuss the hundreds if not thousands of luck-based trophies that are scattered across countless games these days?   There are countless trophies that, through no fault of their own, some players will simply never earn because they are unlucky.   With that said, the chances of playing the game normally for even a moderate period of time and *not* coming across a hacked lobby are exceedingly low.  The hackers are so prevalent that legitimate lobbies are almost nonexistent at this point, and virtually every lobby either is an entirely hacked lobby or at least has one hacker in it.  Saying that some players "will just never get a bounty on them" is just laughable when you look at the reality of the state of GTA's lobbies on the PS3.   

But to get back to GTA.  I have played the PS4 version of GTA on and off for years.  Never once have I had a single player send a mugger after me so I can earn "Full Refund".   Check my trophy history.   Should everybody who has earned "Full Refund" be flagged as a potential cheater since some players simply aren't lucky enough to get a mugger sent after them?  

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Once December finally ends this nightmare for the CRT, we'll go through these.

The "nightmare" is self-inflicted.  Had Sly just decided to whitelist RLTW and similar trophies that are in this situation, the nightmare you are complaining about would never have existed in the first place.  You can't just decide that you're going to continue to punish God knows how many players, many of which did not actively attempt to cheat in their attempts to earn the trophy, then go and complain about how difficult it is to enforce all those punishments.  Sorry if I don't feel sorry for any of you.  

 

Would whitelisting the trophy mean that some actual cheaters "get away with it'?  Yup.  But in this specific case, you're effectively punishing more otherwise legitimate players than actual cheaters, as evidenced by the fact that casual players continue to earn this trophy on a daily basis as they just go about playing the game for a while before it closes down for good.  

 

"Preserving the integrity of the leaderboards" is a joke.  Absolutely nobody is strictly trying to pop RLTW to improve their positions on the leaderboards.  People who are cheating for that purpose are popping trophies across multiple games en masse.   It has been well known for years that people who continue to be at the top of the leaderboards have been using hacked trophies for years, along with blatant and widespread account sharing, both of which are against not only site rules but Sony's.   99% of the top of the leaderboards are crammed with people with disposable income buying mass amounts of cheap shovelware.  Cross-gen games have led to people being able to auto-pop entire trophy lists in seconds, along with being able to buy the same game across multiple regions.   To say that this is the issue that you guys are focusing on when there are so many other issues to be addressed not only shows that the priorities of Sly and the CRT are entirely out of whack, but also continues to baffle me that the path that you actively chose to take is the path that not only deliberately punishes innocent players while also having the audacity to complain about how difficult it is to do so while you're at it.  

 

There was an infinitely easier way to handle all of this.  Your team actively chose not to take it.  
 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by DaivRules

[The Moose Knuckler]

1 hour ago, The-Man-In-Black said:

 

I fully agree with you on this. Hell, I got the trophy legit and still got flagged and they wont remove it. The leaderboards are a joke I feel as well. There are already a lot of top level people that have hacked or cheated their games but they keep them on the leaderboards. I can't tell you how many quick "rat" plats that people use to boost their numbers it is crazy. I stand with you and will not hide my game for something I did nothing wrong with.

Edited November 7, 2021 by DaivRules

[Letenko]

If only Rockstar kept the system accessible to everyone as intenteded... but I guess it's hard to sell Shark Cards when you can get unlimited money in literal seconds. I wish a whitelist was implemented since the trophy seems meaningless and very easy to obtain but it looks like most people affected claim not to care about the leaderboards anyway so there's at least that.

[DaivRules]

For so many people who say they don’t care about Slys leaderboards, they sure seem hell bent on making the case that their trophies, which required a modder to be able to obtain, should be on it, and that the rules against requiring modding tools to obtain trophies should be ignored because… they make illogical comparisons to other stuff they don’t like?

 

Doesnt matter really. None of the false equivalents brought up are going to change the core reason these trophies violate the leaderboard rule that trophies that can only result from modding tools will be flagged. None of the hand waving to ignore that aspect changes it. None of the whataboutism means anything.

 

This site isn’t limiting anything people play. People are limiting what they play themselves if they choose to worry about a list some site on the internet made that had some rules about being on their list.

 

The cries that Sly “needs” to do something (a whitelist) to accommodate these people’s desire to stay on his list because they want the list/rules to accommodate something they wanted seems a bit childish. I don’t fully empathize how many people have joined the site to be on the leaderboard without ever thinking that the leaderboard certainly must have some rules that govern who stays on and who gets kicked off. That’s just ignorant. And to the kick up a storm because people want something that the leaderboard has always aimed to exclude screams of entitlement. 
 

 

[VladFrezZ]

i wanted to go back this game (PS3 Edition) to finish some online trophies that i missed, but reading this forum am afraid i could get "Run like the Wind" by some hacker or somenthing and get a red flag here in psnp. 

not taking any chance

[Letenko]

1 minute ago, VladFrezZ said:

i wanted to go back this game (PS3 Edition) to finish some online trophies that i missed, but reading this forum am afraid i could get "Run like the Wind" by some hacker or somenthing and get a red flag here in psnp. 

not taking any chance

Despite what the others may tell you, you can play in an invite only session to get most of your stuff done with you friends. I have friends that I helped finish up heists and we were just fine, none of us got a bounty or a hacker even after we finished a heist, so it is still very much possible to enjoy the game and get the other trophies. 

[VladFrezZ]

1 minute ago, Letenko22 said:

Despite what the others may tell you, you can play in an invite only session to get most of your stuff done with you friends. I have friends that I helped finish up heists and we were just fine, none of us got a bounty or a hacker even after we finished a heist, so it is still very much possible to enjoy the game and get the other trophies. 

Yes! that may be what ill do

[The-Man-In-Black]

16 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

For so many people who say they don’t care about Slys leaderboards, they sure seem hell bent on making the case that their trophies, which required a modder to be able to obtain, should be on it, and that the rules against requiring modding tools to obtain trophies should be ignored because… they make illogical comparisons to other stuff they don’t like?

 

Doesnt matter really. None of the false equivalents brought up are going to change the core reason these trophies violate the leaderboard rule that trophies that can only result from modding tools will be flagged. None of the hand waving to ignore that aspect changes it. None of the whataboutism means anything.

 

This site isn’t limiting anything people play. People are limiting what they play themselves if they choose to worry about a list some site on the internet made that had some rules about being on their list.

 

The cries that Sly “needs” to do something (a whitelist) to accommodate these people’s desire to stay on his list because they want the list/rules to accommodate something they wanted seems a bit childish. I don’t fully empathize how many people have joined the site to be on the leaderboard without ever thinking that the leaderboard certainly must have some rules that govern who stays on and who gets kicked off. That’s just ignorant. And to the kick up a storm because people want something that the leaderboard has always aimed to exclude screams of entitlement. 
 

 

Holy shit, does this entire statement take a baffling amount of willful ignorance to the circumstances surrounding the RLTW trophy (and similar ones in the same basket), along with a completely arrogant and willful tone-deaf approach to the opinions and concerns of your own members.   You clearly either don't fully understand the circumstances around the trophy, or simply don't care.  

And no, most of us probably don't give a flying shit about the leaderboards.  I'm ranked at about 12,000 or so globally.  Who the hell cares?  What is pissing people off is that this site is flagging them for cheating when they did absolutely nothing wrong, and the only remedy that they have available is to hide trophies, which not only negates legitimately earned trophies, but *still* gives off the impression that they cheated to others.   People don't like being even passively accused of something they didn't do.  They like it less when the only option being presented to them is an option that *still* makes it look like they did something they didn't do, and your "fuck off" attitude about the situation doesn't help anybody.  

I paid for a premium membership to the site quite a while back.  After seeing the attitude that this site seems to have towards its members with statements like this, I regret that decision now.  

[DaivRules]

56 minutes ago, The-Man-In-Black said:

What is pissing people off is that this site is flagging them for cheating when they did absolutely nothing wrong, and the only remedy that they have available is to hide trophies, which not only negates legitimately earned trophies, but *still* gives off the impression that they cheated to others.

So the only actual issue is that people don’t like hiding the trophies they earned without requiring a modder. 
 

I don’t give any concern at all to other people’s impressions, your other concern. That’s on them to not be so ignorant and has no impact on whether a profile has followed all the rules of the leaderboard. 
 

The games are flagged, not as cheated, but as violating leaderboard rules, which they are. People who can’t get past the distinction also are of no concern to me because they’re choosing to remain ignorant. 

The tool for addressing flags is and always has been the only tool built in to the console (barring deleting the profile before syncing), hiding the game. Because no matter how you look at it, a flagged trophy in a game means any platinum that follows a trophy that violates leaderboard rules also violates the rules.

 

In the case of RLTW, anyone can choose not to survive the time that a modder triggers with modding tools so they do not get flagged on the leaderboard.

 

Also, I’m not “the site.” I’m just one person posting in the forums. 

[SnowxSakura]

Going to be so nice once the servers are finally gone so it's not a problem anymore. Blops 2 should be next

[The-Man-In-Black]

11 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

So the only actual issue is that people don’t like hiding the trophies they earned without requiring a modder.
 

 

This is not what I said, nor is it close to what I said.   I said that people don't like being accused of doing things they did not do.  Please do not twist my words around in order to make your point.

 

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I don’t give any concern at all to other people’s impressions, your other concern. That’s on them to not be so ignorant and has no impact on whether a profile has followed all the rules of the leaderboard. 
 

 

I'll comment on this below.

 

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The games are flagged, not as cheated, but as violating leaderboard rules, which they are. People who can’t get past the distinction also are of no concern to me because they’re choosing to remain ignorant.

 

I'll comment on the arrogance below.  But tell me.  Which "leaderboard rules" did I or any other affected player violate?  What actions did *I* take that "violated leaderboard rules"?   The actions that cause RLTW to pop are the actions of a *completely different person*, and are often taken without the consent or knowledge of the affected player.  

I'm going to assume you're intelligent enough to understand why some people might get a little bit pissed off when you, by your own words, accused them of doing something they did not do.   And the fact that this has been stated in various ways by you, other moderators, members of CRT, and the owner of the site pretty clearly indicate that being OK with accusing players of cheating, or "violating leaderboard rules", or whatever semantics you want to use is site policy.  

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The tool for addressing flags is and always has been the only tool built in to the console (barring deleting the profile before syncing), hiding the game. Because no matter how you look at it, a flagged trophy in a game means any platinum that follows a trophy that violates leaderboard rules also violates the rules.

 

You know what else would also work?

"While R* has taken away the ability to legitimately assign bounties in GTAV on the PS3, the current state of the game leaves open the possibility that legitimate players, through no fault of their own, can still have a bounty placed on them by a hacker.  Given this information, and the fact that the affected player still has to go through all the requirements to unlock the trophy, we have decided not to take actions against affected players at this time unless there is evidence that they have also obtained other trophies illegitimately.  This policy will also hold true for <insert any other trophy that falls under similar circumstances here.>  

This kind of policy would mean that the only thing people would have to do is.......nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  Players wouldn't have to do anything.  Mods wouldn't have to do anything.  The CRT wouldn't have to do anything.  But your site is choosing to actively take the infinitely more difficult road, pissing off your own members in the process, and then having the arrogance to complain that punishing innocent players is a "nightmare" for you, then coming back and defending it with even more tone-deaf statements. as if we should somehow feel sorry for you in all of this.  

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In the case of RLTW, anyone can choose not to survive the time that a modder triggers with modding tools so they do not get flagged on the leaderboard.

 

Go back and read the quote that I originally posted.  The one where one of the guys from CRT actively said that keeping games active is the most important thing, discussed the team's acceptance that sometimes this would take the use of "outside tools", and stressed the importance of the player meeting all trophy requirements.    
 

Now read your statement again.  In practice, this site's position is that no....players cannot play games they legally own, in a completely legitimate way, because in some cases doing so may get them flagged for cheating.  And here you go saying that the onus is on the player to go out of their way to *not* meet a trophy's requirements if they want to remain unflagged, go even further out of their way to delete trophy data, or just accept that they're going to be labelled as a cheater because fuck you that's why.    I'm going to assume you're smart enough to understand how stupid that sounds.  

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Also, I’m not “the site.” I’m just one person posting in the forums. 

 

You're a moderator.  You're speaking under a moderator account.  When you do so, just like every other site on the internet, you do so as a representative of the site.  What you say and how you treat others reflects on the site as a whole.  That's what comes with being a moderator.   If you don't want your words to be a reflection of the site as a whole, then either step down as a mod or at the very least speak from a non-mod account.  

And I'll say again, your tone-deaf attitude towards the entire situation reflects very poorly on the site as a whole.  Assuming you are smart enough to understand the entirety of everything surrounding RLTW, this can only lead to the conclusion that you, as a person and the site as a whole, simply do not care.  

Edited November 7, 2021 by The-Man-In-Black

[Feichti1992]

Oh man... does someone has some popcorn? I love reading this shit

[Ypsiruonu]

15 minutes ago, Feichti1992 said:

Oh man... does someone has some popcorn? I love reading this shit

Yeah, pretty funny laughing at people’s misfortunes when they don’t touch you, right? I’ll do you one better than popcorns, I’ll make you an active participant.

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/2093-grand-theft-auto-v/Feichti1992
 

How did you manage to get Run like the Wind in  October 2020 again?

[AJ_-_808]

@The-Man-In-Black it would be similar to being charged as an accessory to a crime.

 

Take the infamous bank robber scenario:

You know someone that robs a bank and gives you a bag of money. You keep the money knowing where it came from because technically "you didnt rob the bank and the bag of money could have existed before the robbery"

 

 

As for the cheater accusations, nobody sees the flag except the staff and recipient. People see the blue H and make their own assumptions.

 

 

All (most) of this over some junk leaderboards already ruined by auto pops and quick stacks.

 

If you must be on the leaderboard (not mandatory), then avoid that trophy. If you want that trophy for your own personal reasons, then f the leaderboard. You could always hide it, return to the leaderboard, then unhide it when you're over the leaderboard again

Edited November 7, 2021 by AJ_-_808

[Stevieboy]

3 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said:

As for the cheater accusations, nobody sees the flag except the staff and recipient. People see the blue H and make their own assumptions.

 

The mods don't even see those flags. Pretty sure as far as staff go, it's only the CRT members and Sly himself that can see them.