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(SPOILERS) Can we talk about how much this sucked now?

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I think they basically copy and pasted ff13's style of let the game play itself and had a crapy story as well but that is me, I only played the demo and I saw videos of the game and it looks bad because the dev of kh thought it would be good to do nothing but fan service up the ass for sephiroth randomly popping up everywhere and so on.

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Actually, i've seen good reviews for the remake FFVII. Even though there are mix reviews/reactions people say how disappointing FFVII remake is. In my own case, the graphics are absolute refresh and refined and music is awesome. Playability was also great as well, Visuals is pretty damn good too. Delivery brought the game with excellent results. It's only dumb people with shitty excuses that doesn't know how to play Final Fantasy VII Remake.

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11 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

I thought Remake implied they were re-making the story in any way they choose. It wasn’t a Remaster, where they take the original assets and tune them up. 

 

Your second point seems like a problem for their marketing team and less of a good reason not to enjoy the game you played. You’re holding unknowns against the known experience you just had. 

 

I agree with this, changing the story isn't a big deal at all. It's actually exciting to have a mysterious Nomura project around that isn't Kingdom Hearts for once. We don't know what's gonna happen and I think that's kinda cool since the game is gonna be episodic

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17 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

I thought Remake implied they were re-making the story in any way they choose. It wasn’t a Remaster, where they take the original assets and tune them up. 

 

Your second point seems like a problem for their marketing team and less of a good reason not to enjoy the game you played. You’re holding unknowns against the known experience you just had. 

while you might be right with the remake part but people mostly look at remake's like resident evil 1 remake, where they stop it being hamy and put in extra real plot to the game and so on while making the game look even better and keeping the plot mostly the same. A remaster to most is basically what something like say dead island done and so on. Also to add onto it people also want a remake to be like shadow of the colossus remake as that is the best kind to most.

 

Also to add onto this topic I think remaking it and renaming to something like say ff7 remade tale or something on them lines so people won't be so pissed at it. As I know where most are coming from or hell call it a reboot of ff7 or something so people can see it as another type of ff7 not a retelling.

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Square hasn't learned their lesson from FF13 unfortunately. 

While I only watched, and the shift from turn based rpg to the cookie cutter arpg is another argument, it's ominous they decided to go with  this episodic take,  just like they decided to shat out not one, but two sequels to the mediocre received FF13  at the time, they're repeating themselves now, and even worse, I can't image less than AT LEAST three parts, the fanbase will burn itself out quickly before the finishing line.

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1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

I thought Remake implied they were re-making the story in any way they choose. It wasn’t a Remaster, where they take the original assets and tune them up. 

 

FF7R wasn't the most anticipated game of all time because the fans were tired of what the story was and wanted it switched up. SE was cagey during the whole process, what remake meant, that it wasn't a complete game, that noone has any idea if and when it will ever be complete and for what systems. This wasn't a subversion of expectations, this was a proof of concept that cost $60 and directed by a man who clearly has an obsession with hooded figures. 

 

I personally dont care one way or the other because original FF7 will always exist and it's fun to see what gets switched up, but I can totally see why people could feel like they've been swerved.

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I actually LOVE what they did, they got me EXCITED to see what happens next. I wouldn't be feeling ANYTHING otherwise and the original game will always be there.

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I enjoyed these changes.

 

And if you aren't satisfied, there is always the original to play.

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We should all be reunited and hating on the fact we have many years to wait for the next part! I am sure that is something we can all agree on.

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It seems like most people either accepted or wanted the game to change which in itself is strange to me. To be clear, adding to the story is what was supposed to be good about this game. Changing the story is what concerns me. We are at 10% of the whole game and they have already deviated off course. It was going in the same flow until chapter 17 and 18. You take away the "Whispers", Sephiroth, and saving Biggs and Wedge then this is a Remaster not a Remake.

 

The ending to this first part basically sets the tone for them doing whatever they want from here on out. If your thought is that chapter 18 sucked, guess what? The future iterations of the game will go even harder in that direction. 10% of the game and Zack, Biggs, Wedge, and (probably) Jessie are alive. The "ghosts of fate" can no longer prevent the directors and producers from altering what the story is supposed to be. If people continue to enjoy it, great. I just see it falling apart and interest will eventually be lost on getting to the end of this story. The story and how it was told from the previous game is what kept it alive despite it being graphically atrocious. Already there are out of place spectacle battles, a convoluted plot device with fate, and some kind of multiverse. It does not bode well.

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20 minutes ago, Void said:

That first sentence sounds more like a re-Imagining than a remake.

 

I think most people wanted something akin to Shadow of the Colossus PS4 a shot for shot remake or a Director's Cut remake like Resident Evil 1. I still have yet to play FF7R so I cannot judge it, It is on the gamefly list so when it ships I will play it then.

 

I hate the term "re-imagining"

 

A remake is the same key points of the story with some minor changes.

 

A re-imagining is a remake that doesnt closely follow the source material.

 

In this case, supporting characters living instead of dying would be a minor change. It doesn't change the key points of the story.

Example of a re-imagining would be Aerith living and Tifa dying.  Those are 2 major characters, and said change would affect multiple parts of the storyline

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:( Yes, that's how this makes me feel. They can do whatever they want, but it's certainly nowhere near what I wanted. I will probably play it, eventually. Kinda gave up on Square a long time ago though. It's just not the stuff I fell in love with anymore.

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4 minutes ago, MMDE said:

:( Yes, that's how this makes me feel. They can do whatever they want, but it's certainly nowhere near what I wanted. I will probably play it, eventually. Kinda gave up on Square a long time ago though. It's just not the stuff I fell in love with anymore.

Hey M don't give up. Get back on Final Fantasy VII Remake and capture the platinum.

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12 hours ago, Bos10George said:

Soon they will have to release the next part and then they won't be able to call it just "FFVII Remake" with the exact box art from the original full game. There will be either a DLC expansion or a new game called FF7 Remake Part 2. The uninformed that thought this was the complete original aren't going to drop more money for the next 2+ installments. Those that never played the original and bought this thinking "hey, now I can play this game I heard so much about" will either not finish the game because they were never interested in the first place (only 50% have actually finished the game as per PSN trophy percentage currently) or they will actually finish it and wonder what the hell actually happened because the ending makes little sense.

This is what I was curious about, I played the OG years back and remember misplacing the discs and the frantic search among all my PS1 cases. I mean SE has been full-on nostalgia/remake(aster) business lately. To me this seems like little more than buying a couple of years with spread out full price sequels for what was a single game.

Count me in as "uninformed" in that regard but it feels EA-dy as feck.

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10 hours ago, Sword said:

I never played the original until after I played the remake (both to 100%). In my opinion both are distinctly great games in their own ways. I'm very happy the remake does not exactly follow beat-for-beat of the original, because that would mean it's a short, nostaligc game without taking any chance to expand/try new things/etc. If they tried to do a full modern remake of everything the original had in just one game.... Oh boy. We'd be jumping from area to area that takes 5 min to get through because there's just no room for any lingering. xD 

 

I think it's an unwillingness to accept change that holds many back, falling onto the "omgee Nomouraaaa lulz" train. I'm very happy I didn't go into this with nostalgic glasses because everything is new to me and I'm very happy to see what happens next EVEN AFTER playing the original to 100%. Plus NO ONE is 100% sure what the ending actually means yet. For all we know it could play PERFECTLY into their grand design for the remake and we just don't know it. I think the mystery is GOOD. Just like the original, the mystery of not knowing things was fun.

 

I feel as though the entire series needs to be completed before making any total judgements on it's totality of quality for this first entry. According to some articles they did, they made a promise to hit on all the major plot points that the fans know and love. But they also never promised it was going to be beat for beat the same. I think it's going to continue being that way for the entire series too. Change is hard and sometimes it can be good and sometimes not. In this instance I think it's a good thing because it's fresh for everybody. Now... how GOOD is that actually going to turn out to be when it's all said and done? Well... we need the whole picture to really get a sense of it all. 

 

So I'm neither fully fanboy of the remake nor completely against. It's more like I look at it like "Alright, that's the opening act. Let's see what act 2 brings." I'm going to buy the whole series regardless of how good or bad it really is in the end anyway. Kinda like with The Last of Us 2 peoples, I'll play it and judge for myself on if I personally enjoyed it or not. I don't use game reviews ever to judge my purchase decisions. Lol. 

 

I do hear what you're saying though and you are correct, there definitely ARE changes. If you're on the fence about it, maybe wait on the next one and watch a full playthough once Part 2 comes out or something. That way you don't waste your money on something you won't enjoy? I dunno. It just sucks that I see a lot of people not willing to give the entire series a shot, just because it's not a copy and paste of the original. 

 

I think nobody would have an issue with expanding the story, adding more stuff and fleshing things out, even including things that makes it line up better with some of the other games in the series.

 

The problem is the drastic changes. They're not small, they change everything. The original game even had some overlying theme, that'll just be gone now. The build-up of the main villain, gone.

 

I don't trust Motomu Toriyama, and now it's set up for all his bs. No thanks. No, really, I don't want any of it.

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For me I think they are not replacing the original game or trying to forget it exist but making a new game with what ifs scenario. 

 

And look at the bright side they put more thought on it than any other remakes.

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