Popular Post MarcusPunisher Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 It's not much about changing the story, cause that's never gonna happen, but to show showcase in numbers how many people are displeased with the story. These writers always love to brag that the complain is just a "vocal minority" of people on the internet, when Game of Thrones with over 1.7 million signatures proved that it's not just vocal minority that was upset about season 8 of GoT. This petition isn't gonna change anything and if some people truly believe that, then that's stupid, but if people are signing it to send the message, I say go for it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post temp-864196488 Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 (Spoilers, though if you're here i assume you dont care) I personally loved the game (8/10 for me), but i really do get why people didn't like the game that much. But, i keep seeing reasonings that don't make any sense for why these people didn't like it. And this point most people bring up is Abby. So i just wanted to say a few things. People are fine with how Ellie's revenge story sets off, because of course they are Joel died, but when they play as Abby they completely shut out any idea of liking her. But heres the issue. Below is a list of the reasonings and what the characters do. If you can tell me Abby's revenge make no sense, but Ellie's does, and the actions Abby makes are bad, and Ellie's aren't, you are just plain wrong, take a look. Abby's reason for revenge and actions: - Joel murdered all the Firefly's save a few which is the group Abby was a part of, almost like her family. - Joel ruined any possibility of there ever being a cure by saving Ellie and also killing the one doctor left who could have found such a cure. - That doctor also happened to be Abby's father, so Joel killed her father - Abby kills Joel and lets Ellie and Tommy live, because they have no reason to die, Abby is the literal reason them two lived - The only other person Abby kills is Jesse, but this is after everything Ellie has done. -Abby rescues the two scar children, and connects with her humanity again. -Abby has protected Lev for about the Year and a Half minimum by the Santa Barbara bit, so she obviously cares for him like her own son. -Abby refuses to fight Ellie and is forced into it Ellie's reasons for Revenge and Actions: - Abby kills Joel (her father figure).... thats it, that is literally it - Ellie murders all Abby's friends, even beating Nora with a pipe, reanacting exactly what Abby did to Joel, she could have even been worse then Abby, but we don't kniw as both scenes don't show it all - Ellie puts a knife to a childs throat just to antagonise Abby. Both characters are awful people and thats the point, but there is no way you can tell me Abby is worse then Ellie, at the bare minimum, they are just as bad as eachother. (Which you know is the point of the game) You either like Abby, or you don't but using the excuse of she killed Joel so she's bad is dumb... especially when you compare the two, Ellie is much worse in this game then Abby ever is... and if you think Abby is badly written then Ellie is just as badly written. I don't care if you don't like the game, but placing the entire blame on Abby is stupid, when there are things that are actually bad about the game... these being things like the pacing is bad, the structuring of the different scenes is bad, especially when ot comes to the flashbacks, these are the things that ruin the story, not Abby, and not any of the other characters. Though Jesse was meh ? Also the ending, the point isn't oh Ellie had a change of heart. It specifically cuts to Joel of his deck, the exact scene in the epilogue where they talk about forgiveness. This tells the player that Ellie realised that she couldn't forgive Joel even afyer 2 years, so how could Abby forgive Joel afyer all that he did. And thats the basic reason, there are so many pieces to her decision, and because of that, her decision to leave Abby alive made the most sense. And done. 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Livingstone7728 Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 After getting over Joel dying it was a good experience... finishing the first half of the game had me rooting for Ellie, but the 2nd half had me sympathizing with Abby.... so when the showdown in the theater happened it was hard to wish harm on either one of them... I think Ellie coming to a realization that killing Abby won't bring Joel back was good... not to mention the epilogue where her need for vengeance cost her everything she loved. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZeromusF4 Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Just finished it mins ago so I can look now at all the spoilers. That guitar thing at the end... really made the story. Very well executed. Bravo Naught Dog Edited June 26, 2020 by ZeromusF4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefourfoldroot Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) Can we get the last season of Buffy and Dark Angel changed while we’re at it! Look guys, sometimes, especially with endings, you can get big disappointments. Especially if there’s a big tonal change. Over so many years story tellers change, musical artists change, Etc, it’s impossible for things to remain consistent unless written all at once and released periodically like Life is Strange. Disappointment is almost inevitable. Edited June 26, 2020 by thefourfoldroot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepEyes7 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Livingstone7728 said: After getting over Joel dying it was a good experience... finishing the first half of the game had me rooting for Ellie, but the 2nd half had me sympathizing with Abby.... so when the showdown in the theater happened it was hard to wish harm on either one of them... I think Ellie coming to a realization that killing Abby won't bring Joel back was good... not to mention the epilogue where her need for vengeance cost her everything she loved. And for Abby, sparing Ellie was what let her live... Because if she had finished her revenge Abby/Lev should have died on that pillar... 1 minute ago, thefourfoldroot said: Can we get the last season of Buffy and Dark Angel changed while we’re at it! And the ending of Dexter please! Edited June 26, 2020 by DeepEyes7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirye22 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Kittet3 said: Has anything ever actually been changed based on a change.org petition? To quote/paraphrase the internethistorian "A change.org petition was started, and that went nowhere" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomataEighty9 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 These people, crying and whining, because a game they like, takes the story in another direction, than they would have wanted, is so god damn childish and retarded... Spoiled whiners.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsentry Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Carol said: And this is everything Naughty Dog needs to say. People are just behaving in such a childish and pathetic way...! "Love and respect the fans immensely..." The same director that said the many of the fans of the first game are not going to like this game? In any case, if people don't like the petition...then don't sign it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post majob Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said: These people, crying and whining, because a game they like, takes the story in another direction, than they would have wanted, is so god damn childish and retarded... Spoiled whiners.. People are clearly wrong for having an opinion these days. Heaven forbid someone not like something and voice their thoughts on the matter 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake-TheGreat97 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I think that there is nothing wrong about being critical of the game's story and wishing that things played out differently. However, trying to force people to redo the story that they wanted to tell just reeks of entitlement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TomataEighty9 Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, majob said: People are clearly wrong for having an opinion these days. Heaven forbid someone not like something and voice their thoughts on the matter No. People are wrong for reviewbombing a game and bitching like 3 year olds, because they think they OWN the rights to the story.... Grow up.... Just don't buy the game, or at least play it before you bitch... Some idiots are reviewbombing the game, without having even played it. Spoiled brats... 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NeilBefore_ZOD Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Charizarzar said: Reveal hidden contents I mean, I loved Joel. After getting over the initial shock of his death (I'd been spoiled already, but was still a shock to see it happen), I think it might have been the first time I've gotten teary eyed during a game, especially during the parts where Ellie was alone and I was missing hearing his voice. I still think that he was mostly justified for doing what he did and didn't deserve a death like that. But I think ND did do a great job of showing you how things aren't that simple, how the world is cruel, and that from other perspectives, Joel is totally the bad guy. It was frustrating that he got killed off so early on after such a long wait to play as him again, but I can see why they went in that direction. I can understand the issues some people have with the story, mainly pacing wise, but from looking at the comments most of these people aren't even trying to look at the bigger picture. Like being angry that she chose to let Abby go at the end- the point was that she realised it wouldn't change anything. "I have never personally played The Last of Us, or any other Naughty Dog games. But screw it, the story of the sequel DOES sound awful. As someone who writes and cares about good storytelling, you have my support for a better storyline as well. ND better make it worth their money, and no identity politics or narrative manipulation this time around!!" One of the more stupid comments on there. Just in the forums for this game on this site, I've noticed plenty of people who comment that this game is terrible and have zero record of playing either the first or second game on their profile. If someone plays the game all the way through, and still doesn't like it, I respect their opinion even if I don't agree. I just don't know why anyone would waste their time commenting on something they haven't played. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirye22 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, majob said: People are clearly wrong for having an opinion these days. Heaven forbid someone not like something and voice their thoughts on the matter It not that they have an opinion - everyone is entitled to one and in the age of the internet will find people that strongly agree and disagree with it. However, in this and many similar cases, people find themselves entitled to demand changes to years of work by another person/artist/vision. You can say "Oh I didn't like X or I won't buy Y" What boggles my mind are these ridiculous demands to change and bend whatever to your petty little wishes. Fine. You didn't like the game, feel free to share you didn't like it but charging devs and studios that spent years crafting this on social media esp. since it is incredibly well received, sold, and is objectively and excellent game mechanically... come on. What next? Petition to have 007 lose against the bad guy in the next movie? Redo the Avengers so Red Skull becomes Thor and dick-punches Thanos? Maverick in Top Gun 2 would't shoot down enough enemies so reshoot the entire thing or RHCP should redo their entire new album because person X didn't like it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livingstone7728 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, majob said: People are clearly wrong for having an opinion these days. Heaven forbid someone not like something and voice their thoughts on the matter Nobody said anything about not being allowed to dislike the game or the story... but to start a petition because you didn't like it is ridiculous... ? why don't these lazy stoner bums file a class action lawsuit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeepEyes7 Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, rotoninja said: "Love and respect the fans immensely..." The same director that said the many of the fans of the first game are not going to like this game? In any case, if people don't like the petition...then don't sign it. In any case, if people don't like the game...then don't play it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZombieDictator Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 They change it and the people asking will get monkey pawed. Change it to where Ellie is killed by Abby, or the two get together. Now I would love to see that. It would break the internet even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrs1nrs1 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 hours ago, reiner- said: First of all pressing on this link will reveal some major spoilers so if you haven't finished the game do not click on it. Hide contents https://www.change.org/p/sony-remake-the-storyline-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii Just came across a petition that people are signing to have tLoU2's story changed. Naughty Dog aren't going to change shit. you can not like the story, but it is absurd and ridiculously entitled to think that you can demand a whole new story because you didn't agree with this one. What a bunch of literal children. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsentry Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, DeepEyes7 said: In any case, if people don't like the game...then don't play it. No argument from me on this...novel idea isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said: No. People are wrong for reviewbombing a game and bitching like 3 year olds, because they think they OWN the rights to the story.... Grow up.... Just don't buy the game, or at least play it before you bitch... Some idiots are reviewbombing the game, without having even played it. Spoiled brats... I won't disagree over the review bombing but that wasn't in your initial post. You made it out that anyone who voiced their discontent was spoiled and childish and that reeks of hypocrisy considering your own attitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alaquia Posted June 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2020 "they killed our favourite character and FORCED us" ahahahahahahaha pathetic losers, nothing more 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakk55 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 But seriously tho, when has ever a demand to change the game's story actually worked. Few times demands were met, it was either BEFORE the game was made or due to gameplay issues. My feelings aside, this is just a new low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, nrs1nrs1 said: you can not like the story, but it is absurd and ridiculously entitled to think that you can demand a whole new story because you didn't agree with this one. What a bunch of literal children. It's not really entitlement when money is involved and stories have been changed or modified when criticism is high enough. Nothing childish about wanting to see if your protest will work at the very least. If you fail you can at least say you made the attempt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolidJD Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Need to get a grip. Laughable petition 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Valkirye22 said: Those artists placed their creation at the whims of the masses when they made it a product to be bought and consumed. "Years of artistic vision" is not a shield against criticism and demand for change if you expect someone's money out of the deal. This is about mutual exchange, you can have that if there's no feelings of mutuality. So no, I don't feel these people are on their high horse demanding a product to be changed. The only thing that can be construed as "entitled"is how they go about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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