TJ_Solo Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 hours ago, RandomWhorie said: That's not what I mean when I say that, but her ability to remorselessly kill people she had coffee with and woke up to every day until then. That indicates psychopathy. Funny, I would sooner give the level of "psychopath" to some here that demonstrate 0 empathy and 0 reasoning skills before assuming Abby doesn't feel regret for having to fight WLF members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDBoss173 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) On 29.6.2020 at 0:54 PM, reiner- said: At first I thought Abby was a piece of shit for what she did but I'm pretty sure most people would of done the same thing. Remember, Abby and her friends only went after Joel where as Ellie murdered everyone of Abbys friends. Even a pregnant lady and the worst one of all, ALICE. That poor fucking German Shepard got stabbed to death. Fuck You Ellie! Yeah most people would do the same thing ( kill joel) in her situation but most people would have done the same thing joel did in part 1 ( save the daughter) too. "Abby and her friends only went after Joel where as Ellie murdered everyone of Abbys friends" What a joke, they planned to catch an innocent jackson citizen and torture him to get information about joel. They were just lucky that joel was stupid enough to get in such a situation, so doing that wasnt necessary anymore. They "only went after joel" because he was the only culprit, he didnt have any help in the hospital. Abbys friend were part of joels murder and they helped her, they were accomplices. So killing them is understandable and Abby attacked tommy and jessy ( didnt kill one of her friends) too. That said most of those kills ( except nora) were self-defence. For example, Jordan was about to kill dina. There was a high chance that she wouldnt have killed mel and owen ( she even said she doesnt care about them), she just wanted abbys location. Owen tried to grab ellies weapon and was killed during the struggle. As a result ellie was attacked by mel and killed her in self defence, she didnt even know that she was pregnant. When she found out, she was shocked. Abby on the other hand knew that dina was pregnant and didnt give a shit. If not for levs interference she would have killed dina and ellie without a second thought, so dont give me the " she spared them" BS, she didnt spare them at her own will. Ellie didnt spare her at her own will either ( was influenced by joel). Killing the dog was a life or death situation, if she hadnt killed the dog, she would have been killed by the dog or the alarmed soldiers. I love dogs/animals but I would have killed him too. Ellie and abby are almost 1:1 the same, thats the whole point about this story. The only thing I can blame ellie for is the fact that she chose revenge and not family at the end of the game. Edited June 30, 2020 by GoDBoss173 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodyRutz Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) On 6/29/2020 at 11:42 AM, RandomWhorie said: Well, she betrayed and massacred her fellow gang members for trying to "save" two unknown people, who belonged to a rival gang. For me she has obvious mental problems. Did we play a different game or something? They did not belong to a rival gang. They were outcasted the moment they left their camp. Basically, during every encounter with them, Scars tried to kill both of them. Also, the WLF turned on Abby. She tried to explain herself to them first. You're putting it like she massacred them immediately. Talk about oversimplification for the sake of winning an argument. 18 hours ago, RandomWhorie said: That's not what I mean when I say that, but her ability to remorselessly kill people she had coffee with and woke up to every day until then. That indicates psychopathy. Yes, try to reason with somebody who would kill you just because of you saving two kids. Mind, this is the same person who like you said used to have a coffee with you and wake up with you every day. The same person who would order killing of Owen, one of their own, just because of him being fed up by all the killings and deserted. Your life is your priority when you're endangered. Especially in this post-apocalyptic setting where basically everybody needs to turn into psycho just to survive. I thought the game made it pretty clear how this world works. Edit: Just to clarify to prevent future arguments. In not in "team Ellie" nor "team Abby". But I do not like cherry-picking and oversimplification of things to suit somebody's agenda. At least make an effort to look at both sides of things. Edited June 30, 2020 by BloodyRutz 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-I-Chariot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, GoDBoss173 said: Yeah most people would do the same thing ( kill joel) in her situation No, I don't think most people would brutally bludgeon someone to death, especially if that person just saved their live moments ago. Even if there was some grudge between them. Or at least I hope most people wouldn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoDBoss173 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: No, I don't think most people would brutally bludgeon someone to death, especially if that person just saved their live moments ago. Even if there was some grudge between them. Or at least I hope most people wouldn't. I meant kill him and not torture him. I wouldnt torture him either, I would make it quick and shoot him in the head. However most people wouldnt forgive joel in abbys case. They wouldnt torture him but definitely kill him, especially in a world like the last of us where you can kill without going to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyRutz Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: No, I don't think most people would brutally bludgeon someone to death, especially if that person just saved their live moments ago. Even if there was some grudge between them. Or at least I hope most people wouldn't. I like how you turned killing Joel into brutally bludgeoning someone who saved your life to death, but you're referencing the killing of Abby's father using the wording some grudge at the same time. Edited June 30, 2020 by BloodyRutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-I-Chariot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, GoDBoss173 said: I meant kill him and not torture him. I wouldnt torture him either, I would make it quick and shoot him in the head. However most people wouldnt forgive joel in abbys case. They wouldnt torture him but definitely kill him, especially in a world like the last of us where you can kill without going to jail. Dunno, maybe you have a rather negative perception of people. Torturing or not, going out of your way and actively seeking to murder someone for revenge doesn't seem normal to me, especially if the death of her father was 5 year and she wasn't witness to it. I've watched an interesting documentary about the rwandan genocide. They showed what life was like afterwards and interviewed people on both sides. Tutsi and Hutu are living side by side and have mostly just sort of let it go. If everyone was taking revenge on each other there wouldn't be any people alive among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyRutz Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Silver-I-Chariot said: If everyone was taking revenge on each other there wouldn't be any people alive among them. And that was the whole point of this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-I-Chariot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, BloodyRutz said: And that was the whole point of this game. I agree with that. But regardless of that, the question was whether most people would do what she did in her situation and I believe it's unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Everyone are all noble heroes until they're in a zombie apocalypse, and every move could mean their death. But let's all rationalize how we'd always be calm and cool in other peoples places in situations we can't actually relate to. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyRutz Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: I agree with that. But regardless of that, the question was whether most people would do what she did in her situation and I believe it's unlikely. So, you can imagine forgiving somebody killing your father and move on? Not to mention being able to kill or harm somebody is vital for surviving in this post-apocalyptic world. I thought the game made that very clear by Abby deciding not to kill Ellie and Tommy in the same scene. Edited June 30, 2020 by BloodyRutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-I-Chariot Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, DaivRules said: Everyone are all noble heroes until they're in a zombie apocalypse, and every move could mean their death. But let's all rationalize how we'd always be calm and cool in other peoples places in situations we can't actually relate to. You are right, it's hard to relate to and obviously people would act differently. But hunting someone down to murder them for revenge is not self-defence and it doesn't really improve your survival chances. I mean, everyone is trying to survive, resources are scarce and people have enough problems as is. 2 minutes ago, BloodyRutz said: So, you can imagine forgiving somebody killing your father? Not to mention being able to kill or harm somebody is vital for surviving in this post-apocalyptic world. I thought game made that very clear. Just because I wouldn't kill someone doesn't mean I would forgive them. And again, they spent a lot of time and resources chasing a person who was not a threat to them. I don't see how that's vital for survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyRutz Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: You are right, it's hard to relate to and obviously people would act differently. But hunting someone down to murder them for revenge is not self-defence and it doesn't really improve your survival chances. I mean, everyone is trying to survive, resources are scarce and people have enough problems as is. All this is true but it does not mean the feelings just go away. People are driven mainly by feelings. 27 minutes ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: Just because I wouldn't kill someone doesn't mean I would forgive them. And again, they spent a lot of time and resources chasing a person who was not a threat to them. I don't see how that's vital for survival. I used bad wording. What I meant is that killing or harming somebody like this in this world setting is not something that only psychos would do and it's vital for surviving. Without forgiveness, it would eat you up from inside. As seen at the end of the game when Ellie decided to go after Abby. She did it for her sake not just because Tommy asked her to. This is my assumption based on her having constant PTSD incidents also described in her notebook. Basically to get over things you first need to find peace within yourself, which I think is what finally happened in the end when she decided to let Abby go. And I think without that she would never really be happy with Dina. But let's agree to disagree on these two points. All of this is individual, I guess. Edited June 30, 2020 by BloodyRutz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWinson Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: Dunno, maybe you have a rather negative perception of people. Torturing or not, going out of your way and actively seeking to murder someone for revenge doesn't seem normal to me, especially if the death of her father was 5 year and she wasn't witness to it. You're probably right that it wouldn't be considered normal if it was in a non-apocalyptic world, it would be illegal to murder someone just to get revenge, probably a good chance the murderer was sent to jail anyways which may satisfy some people, you're very unlikely to have killed someone before and you are very unlikely to have any sort of adequate training in guns or whatever. But this game is in an apocalyptic world, the law is not going to bother you if you murder someone, the murderer is not going to face any 'justice' unless someone becomes the law and brings it upon them, and finally you're very likely to have killed before so mentally being able to kill someone is not a problem. Her father death may be 5 years, but it's not like it wasn't on her mind everyday whilst she got buff and looked for any leads to Joel's location. Edited June 30, 2020 by xWinson Added comma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmeefly Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) I saw the thread title and if I’m honest was going to come in here and tell all the whiners to quit their whining, but reading through I’m at peace with the fact multiple people have already said what I wanted to say, the game was a masterpiece, if your one of those people that ruined the entire game for yourself because you were too stupid to read all the spoilers and whining then that’s on you, you’re at fault, but for all of us that didn’t, the game was epic really, GOOD ON YOU to all who played the game spoiler free and enjoyed the game, may your life be long, and may your death be swift ? Edited July 3, 2020 by Shmeefly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-I-Chariot Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, Shmeefly said: if your one of those retards that ruined the entire game for yourself because you were too stupid to read all the spoilers and whining then that’s on you, your at fault First of all, "you're". Secondly, calling people names for not liking the game goes a bit far, doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cultodaostra Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 i thought the story was great. it doesn't always have to be rainbows and butterflies. hope naughty dog release another title asap 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaiyan3985 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 6/26/2020 at 3:32 PM, reiner- said: First of all pressing on this link will reveal some major spoilers so if you haven't finished the game do not click on it. Hide contents https://www.change.org/p/sony-remake-the-storyline-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii Just came across a petition that people are signing to have tLoU2's story changed. Naughty Dog aren't going to change shit. Well of course they aren't going to change shit but why are you touting about this being "bullshit?" People are pissed off and they have a right to be angry. Granted, this effort is futile but it's better than nothing. I personally donated $7 to the campaign. Not because I think it'll make a difference, but because I'm putting my money where my mouth is when I say that this game is an utter TRAVESTY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ_Solo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said: Well of course they aren't going to change shit but why are you touting about this being "bullshit?" People are pissed off and they have a right to be angry. Granted, this effort is futile but it's better than nothing. I personally donated $7 to the campaign. Not because I think it'll make a difference, but because I'm putting my money where my mouth is when I say that this game is an utter TRAVESTY. So people can be angry about TLOU but the guy that made the topic can't be angry at the petition attempt? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiner- Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said: Well of course they aren't going to change shit but why are you touting about this being "bullshit?" People are pissed off and they have a right to be angry. Granted, this effort is futile but it's better than nothing. I personally donated $7 to the campaign. Not because I think it'll make a difference, but because I'm putting my money where my mouth is when I say that this game is an utter TRAVESTY. I think this is bullshit because of how inconsiderate these people are. They are only thinking about themselves. How about the millions of people who did enjoy the game or the millions more who have yet to experience it. Yes people have the right to be angry and have a opinion but people have to learn that not everything in the world will appeal to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaiyan3985 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, TJ_Solo said: So people can be angry about TLOU but the guy that made the topic can't be angry at the petition attempt? Interesting. There's nothing to be angry about, LOL. I'm reasoning that you making this thread is pointless. 1 minute ago, reiner- said: I think this is bullshit because of how inconsiderate these people are. They are only thinking about themselves. How about the millions of people who did enjoy the game or the millions more who have yet to experience it. Yes people have the right to be angry and have a opinion but people have to learn that not everything in the world will appeal to them. Inconsiderate? We've waited seven years for a proper sequel to one of the greatest games of all time, a game that touched millions, and we find out they spat on the franchise and have done nothing but undermine the first game. If people want to petition to have the story changed, it's 100% justified. Just because a minority of people like it, doesn't mean the rest of us have to shut up and conform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveInHell Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, SuperSaiyan3985 said: There's nothing to be angry about, LOL. I'm reasoning that you making this thread is pointless. Inconsiderate? We've waited seven years for a proper sequel to one of the greatest games of all time, a game that touched millions, and we find out they spat on the franchise and have done nothing but undermine the first game. If people want to petition to have the story changed, it's 100% justified. Just because a minority of people like it, doesn't mean the rest of us have to shut up and conform. It will never happen. Move on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaiyan3985 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, LoveInHell said: It will never happen. Move on. Did I ever say it would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiner- Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, LoveInHell said: Move on. This is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSaiyan3985 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, reiner- said: This is the point. No. We will all make sure our voices are heard and that Naughty Dog realizes they fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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