This game is proof for how soft trophy hunters have become in recent times.

[ThatMuttGuy]

First of all, I am open to any and all constructive criticism. This is just my interpretation of the situation, and how I view it as a symptom of a larger cause.

 

We all know what this topic is about - the Infallible trophy. It's a tough, tough trophy to get, even if you do use the exploit to keep your streak going. Before this game even came out, there were topics with hundreds of complaints regarding that one trophy. I don't think it's a luck based trophy at all. In fact, I would go as far as to say it's all skill. Before you get your pitchfork out, hear me out. Every single game, team games included, take skill to win. Just because you're on the losing team doesn't mean you lost due to "RNG" as everyone likes to claim. In fact, if you play in a squad with people who know how to play, you will never lose a single game, outside of a bad team tail tag game.

 

I've seen many people claim they wouldn't play this game because of the trophies, or that they hate the devs for putting this trophy in the game. I have to say, shame on them for passing on such a fun game for such a shallow reason. It's even funnier as most of the people claiming they're skipping it don't even have near perfect completion rates (not that there's anything wrong with that, just look at mine lol). People just see a bit of challenge and cry about it, instead of taking the time to get good at a game until they can earn the trophy. 

 

This whole situation reminds me of Wolfenstein 2, with the petition to remove Mein Leben. I wish people weren't just so used to games handing them platinums all the time, and they would stand up to a challenge every once in a while. It's like we all forgot all the crazy requirements you had to do on a lot of PS3 games for a plat.

 

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on this. Hope you guys are enjoying Fall Guys as much as I am!

[Samasyxx]

tbh if you know what you're doing the infallible trophy isn't too hard to get

[MikeCheck--]

People on this site make me sick sometimes . . . skipping a fun game due to a hard trophy, or even worse, "NO PLAT NO PLAY." Like get over yourself. No one gives a damn about your 90% completion rate, enjoy the a game and play them for fun, like we grew up doing.

 

Trophies are fun and provide a challenge but don't kill yourself over it

Edited August 24, 2020 by MikeCheck--

[Kittet3]

Do we really need another topic discussing the infallible trophy? They all end up repeating the same stuff a hundred times. 

[BeautifulTorment]

3 minutes ago, Kittet3 said:

Do we really need another topic discussing the infallible trophy? They all end up repeating the same stuff a hundred times. 

This is the end of the thread. No more posts are allowed. Kittet wins the prize.

[Thrillhelm]

If anything the game is proof how much influence shills have now, and how sensitive fanboys become nowadays.

 

We can have the same talk when a developer trashes on trophy hunters again like Mediatonic did, but I highly doubt another studio would do that.

[REAPER4536]

8 minutes ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

First of all, I am open to any and all constructive criticism. This is just my interpretation of the situation, and how I view it as a symptom of a larger cause.

 

We all know what this topic is about - the Infallible trophy. It's a tough, tough trophy to get, even if you do use the exploit to keep your streak going. Before this game even came out, there were topics with hundreds of complaints regarding that one trophy. I don't think it's a luck based trophy at all. In fact, I would go as far as to say it's all skill. Before you get your pitchfork out, hear me out. Every single game, team games included, take skill to win. Just because you're on the losing team doesn't mean you lost due to "RNG" as everyone likes to claim. In fact, if you play in a squad with people who know how to play, you will never lose a single game, outside of a bad team tail tag game.

 

I've seen many people claim they wouldn't play this game because of the trophies, or that they hate the devs for putting this trophy in the game. I have to say, shame on them for passing on such a fun game for such a shallow reason. It's even funnier as most of the people claiming they're skipping it don't even have near perfect completion rates (not that there's anything wrong with that, just look at mine lol). People just see a bit of challenge and cry about it, instead of taking the time to get good at a game until they can earn the trophy. 

 

This whole situation reminds me of Wolfenstein 2, with the petition to remove Mein Leben. I wish people weren't just so used to games handing them platinums all the time, and they would stand up to a challenge every once in a while. It's like we all forgot all the crazy requirements you had to do on a lot of PS3 games for a plat.

 

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on this. Hope you guys are enjoying Fall Guys as much as I am!

 

Is it all luck? No! Is it skill only? No! In my opinion, you need to have luck in this game or better to say you need to avoid having bad luck.

 

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That's the first thing to say. The second thing is bad luck and bugs like when people grab the tail from a mile away (I know on their screen it maybe works). On fall mountain you spawn at the last row. On jump showdown you can get grabbed and on the tail grab final you maybe end up 1vs4 because the others play as team. I don't mind hard trophies but I mind bullshit trophies and 5 wins in a row is one of them. In the end it's all about luck. If you don't end up on perfect spawns in final, you have to hope that people fail. It's not about your skill, it's more about getting into the right games and then yes.... then you need some skill. I think ridiculous trophies shouldn't be in games. Wolfenstein is none of them. 

 

Wolfenstein is singleplayer and the randomness is pretty slim. Everyone has the same chances which make the trophy hard but fair. Fall Guys 5 wins has a lot to do with luck and randomness which I dislike. You can be Jesus but still don't get the trophy because of cheap methods of other players. You can have the greatest skill in all game modes but still don't get the trophy because of the bad luck with the game (bugs) or players and that second thing I dislike.

 

For me a trophy should be unlockable with skill and maybe a slim amount of luck and not let's see if you get lucky and play with bad players

[ShahinMiah]

This topic will end up like the others with people commenting if they got the trophy, how the got it, complain about the trophy and rant about how disgusting the actual requirement is

[HuntingFever]

I don't understand why some people get so upset about the games other people play or even why they choose not to play something - it's their decision and no-one else's so why get so pissy about it when their choice doesn't affect you in the slightest? Just learn to live and let live and be done with it.

[Bizurke2003]

The trophy is definitely more parts skill than luck but luck is 100% still a factor. If it wasn't for bad luck then I wouldn't have any luck at all! It's the last trophy I need and I've enjoyed going for it. I got the closest I've ever gotten last night with 4 in a row and being in the final on the next one.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Bizurke2003

[dannyswfc9]

Dosn't this happen with most hard plats. People either avoid it or play on a alt account. This trophy sucks ass and it is mostly luck based. Its behond me how people can think otherwise. Im not privilaged to have shit loads of friends that play this to help on the team games. Also the occasional disconnection dosn't help with this trophy. 

 

But all in all this game is frustrating at times, but highly addictive fun the rest

Edited August 21, 2020 by dannyswfc9

[GoldenShaka]

Well, trophies nowadays are very random achievements, some challenging, some absurd, some entertaining.

The only thing I can guess is that some people is annoyed because this is just some stupid little party game to include that kind of trophy.

The contrary would happen (and actually it has happened already) with people complaining with Soulslike games with easy trophy lists. 

[Azaan60]

I'm playing this game on my Alt account with friends and I'm having a blast. The game is really fun.

 

But at the same time I'm really glad I didn't add it to my main account lol. Having that trophy nagging at me at the back of my mind would completely ruin the game for me. Casually playing it on my alt is good enough for me.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Azaan60

[wardragon989]

IMO.

 

It's a bad trophy in an otherwise brillant set.

 

The trophy set allows the user to just enjoy the game heading for Level 40;

• You will naturally win X random number of games with your increase in skill
• You will collect enough coins for purchasing attire
• You will win an episode

Those are all achievable with your own skill set and can be done over games at your leisure.

 

Infallable has a too many factors (outside of what you can control) which can destroy the streak so easily;

• If you get a disconnect message it's gone
• If you run into a glitch (via server syncing or falling through Hexagon)
• Positioning on the field
• Bad teammates / Bad players
• The bump can send a perfect jump into a perfect failure.
• User error

You have to avoid all that in 1 episode. But there are 4 more after that.

 

In total you have to 'fight' 295 people.

 

I'm not a mathematician but those are some bad and not fun odds.

 

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I've spoken to many people they say the same thing. The list is fun as hell and gameplay additive, but that trophy is a bad trophy. If it was "Get back to Back wins in Episodes" or "Get Three Back to back Wins in Episodes" then that more do-able and fun. Not 5.

Edited August 21, 2020 by wardragon989
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[scemopagliaccioh]

Just because someone wanted the trophy removed, or changed, suddenly the entire trophy hunting community became a bunch of pansies? Come on now, you'll always find people wanting the easy way out, and it's  not like people should be forced to play  a game to conserve their "mark of honor" because some underpaid lad on twitter tried  to hype the game to the leet gamer, it's a battle royale, I personally don't like the genre, but if you really need the plat, just play the game, there's already exploits to make the earning of the trophy quite easy, like the quit thing.

Oh, there's definitely rng in the equation, no matter your team, like majority of things in life.

And I seriously doubt the quit thing doesn't make MUCH easier the trophy, it just becomes a matter of perseverance until you find good teammates, it's like laddering on showdown, but you don't lose points when you lose, and can be technically  ghosted by others, nahhh.

[MrJAMBA]

I havent even played the game, and I dont plan too. I dont understand the hype. Looks like something my 4 year old niece would enjoy. 

 

But to say that there is no luck involved at all seems completely foolish to me.

[JPageMartin36]

I think the trophy should have been 2 in a row at most.

 

Must stress though, really not bothered either way. Some plats I get, others I just shrug my shoulders and move on. 

[dannyswfc9]

31 minutes ago, wardragon989 said:

Infallable has a too many factors (outside of what you can control) which can destroy the streak so easily;

• If you get a disconnect message it's gone
• If you run into a glitch (via server syncing or falling through Hexagon)
• Positioning on the field
• Bad teammates / Bad players
• The bump can send a perfect jump into a perfect failure.
• User error

This ^^^^^ in a absolute nutshell. Sumed up perfectly. I got stuck under the map earlier on hit parade. I would not have been happy if it was my 3rd/4th winning run. 

I also agree that this trophy should have been back to back wins. Still pretty hard but doable legit

14 minutes ago, MrJAMBA said:

I havent even played the game, and I dont plan too. I dont understand the hype. Looks like something my 4 year old niece would enjoy. 

 

But to say that there is no luck involved at all seems completely foolish to me.

I recommed you play it. You will be pleasently suprised dude. Dont let the colourful graphics fool you. Its not jyst a kids game. It wouldn't have been half as good offline tho

[kanzenchaos]

I don't think you're wrong, but ppl just act on impulse and write a rant right after failing at this trophy. I got really pissed when I lost a 4 streak once myself.

 

1 hour ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

In fact, if you play in a squad with people who know how to play, you will never lose a single game,

And that's the problem lol, I only have 1 friend (from the same region) who actually plays the game and he does it only once in a while.

 

2 hours ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

I've seen many people claim they wouldn't play this game because of the trophies, or that they hate the devs for putting this trophy in the game. I have to say, shame on them for passing on such a fun game for such a shallow reason. It's even funnier as most of the people claiming they're skipping it don't even have near perfect completion rates (not that there's anything wrong with that, just look at mine lol).

Completely agreed! When you skip a game because of trophies then you've completely lost the point of gaming, at this point it just becomes a chore.

 

Anyway I think I agreed with you 90%, just a bit different perspective on team games (since I play only solo), but I can see someone who plays in a squad having a different experience.

[royal642award]

With all due respect, I don’t play online only games period so my avoidance of this game really has nothing to do with trophies at all. 

 

I have really poor crap Internet and I prefer to play games offline simply because they work better for me.

 

I wouldn't know how hard this game really is at all to begin with as i have never played it (I never do and never will when i see its a game that requires internet to get any kind of gameplay out of it) and to be fair I do have my fair share of playing harder games. 

 

Killzone 2’s infamous valor grand cross trophy never stopped me from playing the game on my main account simply because i love the game that much.

[djb5f]

You absolutely have to have skill (and sound strategy) to win the crowns.  Luck alone will not get it done.
 

To win 5 in a row, you need skill, strategy, AND luck.  And most cheese it anyway by quitting game after game that they are going to fail.

 

There needs to be a luck component in these games or every game played would feel the same.  Based on following the optimal path, etc.  Honestly, it has already gotten stale even with the luck/RNG factor.  If anything, they should UP that to make games more unique.  As it is now, every round plays out the SAME!
 

These games are mindless with most following the same strategy over and over.  Think I will tire of it long before Level 40 unless they change up the existing courses and add new ones.  I just hit level 25 and am getting quite bored of the repetition.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by djb5f

[Sword]

With all due respect Mutt and some others in here, please remember that some trophy hunters and gamers play games for very different reasons than you. I think it's incredibly disrespectful to expect every other person to want to play the game for the same reasons you do, passing "shame" on them if they want to skip this one particular title due to a trophy that (for whatever reason the gamer may have) would make them not have fun/ruin their streak/whatever reason it might be.

 

I'm a completion hunter myself and I take my games pretty seriously to minimize the amount of room for loss of %. It's just how I play. By not playing Fall Guys, am I somehow some "softie" who never steps up to any challenge? Is all my progress somehow "worthless" because, as said before, "Your 90% completion does not matter?" 

 

Who made you people God over the trophy hunting community, dictating what is right and what is wrong for all of us hunters in this hobby? Just because you might not give a damn or perhaps think what someone else does is stupid does not mean that for the other person they could be seriously upset about something. 

 

Looking at the trophy list, it's undeniable that that one particular trophy is magnitudes harder than the other trophies in the game. Not only that but it seems like it was almost purposely designed that way. That may cause some feelings to be hurt and people to come out in droves for what otherwise is a pretty relaxing and chill platinum to earn, based on how I've seen progress being made for some people. Some people care a lot about their trophies while others don't. It just is what it is.

 

Now does this mean we all grab our pitchforks and go after the devs for purposely making this trophy? Nah. Just like Crypt, SMB, Wolfenstein, among many other games... some will rise to the challenge and some will not. Neither group is more holy than the other. 

 

You also have to understand that for some people, they may not have the skill to pull this particular trophy off while sitting on all the other trophies. Trying over and over and over again can be extremely frustrating and lead to burn out/mixed emotions. I can totally see where some of the anger and backlash may occur.

 

Anyway, I don't see what's so "funny" about mocking other people for what they love to do. Sure, some people can take it to the extremes... but it doesn't mean that everyone does. 

 

I for one am skipping this because I don't play multiplayer games at all as it is. Even if I did play multiplayer games I'd still skip it because of that one trophy. Think of me however you want, but if skipping one game somehow invalidates me in someone else's eyes then maybe you should take a look in the mirror first before you jump on other people for what they are doing with their lives.

 

Hopefully this helps give a different perspective. I respect all you guys but seriously I wish this would stop. People do stuff in different ways and like different things, they are all equal in my eyes. If we are going to start judging other people based on what games they will/will not play then we have a much bigger issue than one Fall Guys trophy. 

[Garrus_Lannister]

It’s a really stupid trophy because of the RNG, server issues, etc.  Trophy hunters are allowed to be unhappy about that.

 

I doubt I will get the plat because of this trophy.  That said, it’s a free game for most of us and I am not going to get bent out of shape on one trophy impacting my completion %....

[Helyx]

5 hours ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

I've seen many people claim they wouldn't play this game because of the trophies, or that they hate the devs for putting this trophy in the game. I have to say, shame on them for passing on such a fun game for such a shallow reason.

 

The main reason I haven't played Fall Guys is because of all the fucking drama it's causing between everyone. It's just a game, y'all.

[Fish613]

6 hours ago, ThatMuttGuy said:

 

 

It's a tough, tough trophy to get, even if you do use the exploit to keep your streak going.

Completely disagree with this. Anybody who considers themselves a trophy hunter can easily eventually get 5 wins.....even non-trophy hunters. And that's all it takes...just 5 wins. The cheat/exploit makes the trophy incredibly easy. Remember, you shouldn't think a trophy is hard just because it might take a long time (because it might take some people a while to get to 5 wins).

 

I'm sure the developers are going to patch the cheat eventually. And when they do, we're going to have players who are pre-patch platinum, and players who are post-patch platinum (post-patch Infallible trophy).  And all those players who are pre-patch will be assumed cheaters. I know that I already consider EVERYONE who has the platinum, a cheater at the game. Makes me feel kind of bad for the VERY FEW who actually got the trophy legit (because im sure there are 2 or 3).

 

The only issue i have with the trophy is the hypocrisy of the developers. The devs said they didn't want a stats page because they didn't want players stressing out over wins/loses and other stats..... and then they put Infallible Trophy in the game. How dumb is that......

 

Anyway, I have no issues with hard trophies (as proven by my account). My rarity average is 36% (or something like that). I do however, have issues with cheaters/exploiters who get trophies and act like they've accomplished something.......which there are a lot of people doing with this game.

 

To Anyone: Here's my advice. You want to "save face"? Avoid getting Infallible before the patch comes out. If you get it, we will all assume you cheated.