kramgod-trasa Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) It's very demotivating to continue trophy hunting when you've decided to hide games and have it affect your profile/leaderboard etc. Reason I and many others hides games is because we didn't enjoy them, and we wouldn't want to ever recommend those games to people on our friendlist who goes through our library or see our name as recommendation when they go through PS Store. Because they might not even be into trophy hunting and end up making a really poor purchase. But I don't think it's fair to wipe all the progress we've put into those games from psnprofiles, because it's still effort we've put in and shouldn't be erased from stats My idea is: instead of saying "x trophies hidden" and removing all progress/levels from our leaderboard/profile. - how about allowing us to have another section of all the games we have hidden? And this way allow us to keep all our levels/stats etc. When you visit a profile, you see it as normally, but for people who have hidden games, they have a second page you can watch with all their "hidden" games Sorry I'm pretty bad at explaining, hope it makes sense. And - it's also pretty frustrating when I see myself as lvl 26 with 98 plats on console, but 84 plats and lvl 24 on psnprofiles.. :-/ Edited August 23, 2020 by kramgod-trasa Added more 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorajet Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I've already suggested that some of us with hidden trophies (because of sync problems or just because we hated the game) hate to be labeled with the terrible blue H. But I think trying to separate the "hidden by choice" and "hidden by cheating" trophies opens a whole 'nother issue that would be hard to track on the site. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramgod-trasa Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lorajet said: I've already suggested that some of us with hidden trophies (because of sync problems or just because we hated the game) hate to be labeled with the terrible blue H. But I think trying to separate the "hidden by choice" and "hidden by cheating" trophies opens a whole 'nother issue that would be hard to track on the site. I don't see the issue? They have all the data, they know what we've hidden. All I am saying is that we should be able to 'unhide' those trophies on psnprofiles in a different section for everyone to view if they so want to. The issue is that our progress is being erased rather than the H Edited August 23, 2020 by kramgod-trasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StacFace92 Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, kramgod-trasa said: I don't see the issue? They have all the data, they know what we've hidden. All I am saying is that we should be able to 'unhide' those trophies on psnprofiles. The issue is that our progress is being erased rather than the H PSNProfiles doesn't get your hidden trophy data. It works out that a 'H' needs to be applied when comparing the number of trophies it can see on your profile vs the number of trophies PSN states you have. The only way your suggestion would work is if you synced your profile to PSNProfiles, then hid the trophies later, but they'd need to update PSNProfiles so it remembers what you previously had, which would likely be difficult to implement when not a lot of people would use it (normally, if someone is hiding trophies it's because they don't want them on their profile at all). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramgod-trasa Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 minute ago, StacFace92 said: PSNProfiles doesn't get your hidden trophy data. It works out that a 'H' needs to be applied when comparing the number of trophies it can see on your profile vs the number of trophies PSN states you have. The only way your suggestion would work is if you synced your profile to PSNProfiles, then hid the trophies later, but they'd need to update PSNProfiles so it remembers what you previously had, which would likely be difficult to implement when not a lot of people would use it (normally, if someone is hiding trophies it's because they don't want them on their profile at all). But do you think it's better that Console and psnprofiles is out of sync? I soon have 100 plats on console even though hidden, but 84 on Psnprofiles. I think it's terrible in the current way they've done. MANY people would agree with me that they don't mind showing it on Psnprofiles (because only trophy hunters visit there) but they want it hidden from casual players on console.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StacFace92 Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, kramgod-trasa said: But do you think it's better that Console and psnprofiles is out of sync? I soon have 100 plats on console even though hidden, but 84 on Psnprofiles. I think it's terrible in the current way they've done. MANY people would agree with me that they don't mind showing it on Psnprofiles (because only trophy hunters visit there) but they want it hidden from casual players on console.. I think if you're hiding trophies your level should go down on PSN as well so PSNP is the one that actually does it right. Though that might be because I don't get why you'd hide trophies unless it was because someone went on your account. I don't understand why someone would see a friend owns a game and take it as a recommendation, since it's pretty obvious you could buy a game and just not enjoy it. I'd maybe see it and ask the friend if they enjoyed the game, but would never jump straight to thinking of it as a recommendation. Also this site would never allow you to include hidden games in your stats, because otherwise you could easily cheat trophies and just hide the games to get a high platinum count. Your trophy lists need to be visible on the site to count so people can see if you cheated. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shxrpay Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, StacFace92 said: Also this site would never allow you to include hidden games in your stats, because otherwise you could easily cheat trophies and just hide the games to get a high platinum count. Your trophy lists need to be visible on the site to count so people can see if you cheated. People already easily cheat trophies and their profiles are still on here, they just aren't on the leaderboards. But I do agree with OP, that would be cool so you could hide games but still have them in a separate section to separate them from your other games. I personally think it is a good idea, but I don't think it would be easy to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StacFace92 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, shxrpay said: People already easily cheat trophies and their profiles are still on here, they just aren't on the leaderboards. But I do agree with OP, that would be cool so you could hide games but still have them in a separate section to separate them from your other games. I personally think it is a good idea, but I don't think it would be easy to implement. I know, but they can be removed from the leaderboards because people can see their lists so can report them. I was saying the site would never allow it because people could cheat lists and then hide them to keep them in their stats, without others being able to see the lists to detect this. Obviously there'll also be people who cheat well and so don't get detected but there's not much to do about that except wait for them to mess up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sly Ripper Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 We can only deduce that you have hidden trophies because PSN reports that you have X trophies but all of the trophies we can see add up to < X. Hidden != cheated 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) I guess the simple solution is to just go over to all the other gaming websites and report the cheated lists there too... Then all those hidden games on PSNP will also be hidden there and the world will synchronize...Problem Solved! Edited August 23, 2020 by PSXtreme_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzstrpc Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Everyone who the CRT forced to hide trophies should have a RED background on their H-icon. Everyone who hidden trophies by choice should have a GREEN background, until they're caught cheating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charxsetsuna Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, dzstrpc said: Everyone who the CRT forced to hide trophies should have a RED background on their H-icon. Everyone who hidden trophies by choice should have a GREEN background, until they're caught cheating. If the CRT or mods were being paid I would agree, but that's a lot of work load your asking people who I assume work for free to do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaivRules Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 So you want the points for the trophies, but you don’t want to show the trophies you want the points for? I think if you want the points recognized then you should show the trophies that earned those points. How would leaderboard positions based on points be verifiable if everyone were to just trust that the hidden trophies are the right point values? What other tracking system works this way that you can get credit for something but now have your work showing for others to verify? I’d like to see if something like this does exist to check out the pros and cons. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long-Ryde Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 The only reason I don't hide trophies, even if they were "mistakes" is because it messes around with overall stats, and its not worth it IMO. Generally it's only one or a couple games anyway, across 200+? No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phantochi Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 So, you are saying that there's 14 games that you got the platinum, but decided to hide because you didn't liked them? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittet3 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, dzstrpc said: Everyone who the CRT forced to hide trophies should have a RED background on their H-icon. Everyone who hidden trophies by choice should have a GREEN background, until they're caught cheating. What if I have both? Do I get a striped background? I think the current system is fair - if you don't want to show the game, then you don't get the stats for the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvA31G Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Guys I dont understand this hidden games = cheating thing The issue with people like me for example (and I have none hidden but all people I play with hide games for this reason) I'd like to hide some games because I played like, 30min on them, won about 1/2/3 trophies on them but hated the game and will never play it again. I'd prefer it didn't show up on my profile but still like the trophies count for leaderboards. Mind you I'm no hardcore completionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segimon Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I initially had hidden 9 trophies because there are 2 games I have with servers closed, but I decided to unhide them. I hope one day psnprofiles can do a workaround for unobtainables, perhaps give the option to not count unobtainables as part of the completion percentage. As for hiding games because you didn’t like them, that’s a bad excuse imo. There are about a dozen games in my profile that I have no intention of going back to, but it represents my history of gaming, so it stays public. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilpain97 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I see no point in hiding games as is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mako-heart Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 lol but your whole account is hidden? I have a bunch of (unfinished, pls no bully) games hidden, and I think the system is fine as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StacFace92 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, SiLvA31G said: Guys I dont understand this hidden games = cheating thing The issue with people like me for example (and I have none hidden but all people I play with hide games for this reason) I'd like to hide some games because I played like, 30min on them, won about 1/2/3 trophies on them but hated the game and will never play it again. I'd prefer it didn't show up on my profile but still like the trophies count for leaderboards. Mind you I'm no hardcore completionist. Hidden games doesn't equal cheating. But if the site allowed people to keep trophy points for games they had hidden then cheaters could very easily autopop a bunch of games and then immediately hide them. The lists wouldn't be visible for anyone to see and report it, but they would still get their leaderboard boost. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the leaderboards, the site places enough importance on them to have a Cheater Removal Team, so there's no way it would ever implement this. The other option you suggested of having the lists visible on here, but just hidden on PSN, wouldn't work as already explained. The site can't see what your hidden trophies are , it just works out how many you have by comparing the trophies it can see vs your trophy total on PSN. This also seems like a niche feature for the site to try and implement even if they could, because most people hide their trophies because they don't want anyone to see them (including here). You can see this from the many posts made over the years about wanting to delete some trophies entirely, vs this being the first thread I've ever seen wanting to hide trophies on PSN but still have them count here. Edited August 23, 2020 by StacFace92 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, mako-heart said: lol but your whole account is hidden? It's because it's an alt. profile so OP can not be outed for being a cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, SiLvA31G said: Guys I dont understand this hidden games = cheating thing The issue with people like me for example (and I have none hidden but all people I play with hide games for this reason) I'd like to hide some games because I played like, 30min on them, won about 1/2/3 trophies on them but hated the game and will never play it again. I'd prefer it didn't show up on my profile but still like the trophies count for leaderboards. Mind you I'm no hardcore completionist. I think Daiv makes a good point about this: 1 hour ago, DaivRules said: So you want the points for the trophies, but you don’t want to show the trophies you want the points for? I think if you want the points recognized then you should show the trophies that earned those points. How would leaderboard positions based on points be verifiable if everyone were to just trust that the hidden trophies are the right point values? What other tracking system works this way that you can get credit for something but now have your work showing for others to verify? I’d like to see if something like this does exist to check out the pros and cons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post B1rvine Posted August 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2020 I've made a case to push for Leaderboards requiring no hidden trophies before (with a few exceptions). It's 2020. When cheating, "Smart Cheaters" understand if they mess up, all they have to do is hide the game before PSNP "sees" it, thus giving themselves unlimited chances to cheat. It's a big loophole. A particular user on here that I'll call my 'nemesis', a serial cheater, just used CFW, but hid the game and now nothing can be done. There's another argument not related to cheating why hidden trophies shouldn't be allowed. Accurate stats. How would Crypt of the Necrodancer players feel, if suddenly every single player that hadn't completed the game, hid their list (for whatever reason) and suddenly the rarity became a 100% platinum? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mako-heart Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PSXtreme_ said: It's because it's an alt. profile so OP can not be outed for being a cheater. I was too dumb to consider that, ahha orz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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