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On 2/25/2021 at 5:20 PM, PalaceOfLove706 said:

Ok....so level 87, new wall.

 

What do I do with the Ranger (11k health) and Wing Diver (1700 health) coop? We used the WD's Monster S to help with transports, but still I got overrun in the end, need to know a good strategy to get through this. Thanks in advance,

Difficulty is Hardest

 

Don't wanna sound bad, but that was expected ?.

 

87, Massive Mobilization is the hardest mission in the whole game (see on list...).

 

The only one that can make it easier alone is AR. Strategy applies to all, there will just be slight differences for coop ranger with WD. I'll give the info for inferno, it will be equal but easier in hardest.

 

This mission has:

- walking fortress

- 5 large transports (starting from right to left in first line purple ants (red in hardest), spiders and gold ants (this transport is moving, only one), further back right gold ants and even further back center silver spiders (normal ones on hardest)

- 3 deroys, 2 medium 1 small (least of your problems)

- 4 hectors (only problematic when they come with yellow ants)

- a ton of flying vehicles

 

You can't use ANY guided weapons, explosives, missiles, Thunder Bows. Any weapon that has spread or long range that isn't a perfect sniper it's out of question.

The mission can only be solved if you deal with everything separately. If you mess with several transports or the walking fortress too soon, you're dead. Your biggest problem will be the yellow ants.

 

Weapons AR Solo:

- Epsilon Blast Railgun E (be careful the railgun is a piercing weapon it will go beyond the enemy until its range stops)

- dual ZEXR (or ZEXR + Electromagnetic Bunker GH / Absolute Bunker or Life Vendor ZD or Guard Post M3 if cooping solo in split screen with another class)

 

Weapons Ranger Solo:

- Lysander Z; actually the Hercules (a often neglected weapon) is probably better as it has 2500 damage, will kill FVs and spider in 1 shot, yellows in 2 and has better range and overall more TTFP (damage including shots, magazine size and reload) 

- AF-100 or Stringer J9 if you can kill all yellows with Lysander (be careful the J9 is a piercing weapon it will go beyond the enemy until its range stops)

 

Weapons WD Solo

- Monster-S

- Idunn-FF or Laser Lance sigma

 

Best strategy:

 

- at start have the AR or Ranger capture all NPCs

- snipe as many flying vehicles as possible. Not possible with AR solo of course. Best way is to look sideways, as most flying vehicles will make paths away from the main area and you can snipe them without creating a mess. In EDF if you hit a enemy, all other enemies within a certain range from that one will go to attack mode. So sniping flying vehicles in the middle of the map or close to big enemies will wake them. It's a PITA and will take a lot of time but will reduce your issues later a lot. Aim to wipe around 70% or more of them. Don't snipe FVs near the walking fortress...

- start with the right transport when you can. Transports should start to be hit right after they open so that they can preferably be brought down before they close. If they don't they'll spawn another wave of enemies until they're destroyed. Purple ants have a ton of armor, but they're easy to deal as they don't shoot anything. Staying along the map edge move back, dealing with them. A deroy will come too, kill it before the ants, NPCs will help with them.

- deal with the center transport that has normal spiders. It's probable good idea to deal with the shielded hectors before dealing with the transport.

- now the difficult parts. There's 2 transports with yellow ants. Near the right of the map towards the corner where the purple ants were, there's a open area of terrain reaching all the way to the left of the map. You should take advantage of this area to help killing the yellow ants. Bring down the yellow ants transport that is moving, the one on the left from your start position, when he's closer to you (these are important to bring down in one opening, or you'll have multiple waves of yellow ants to deal with). Try to kill as many yellow ants as possible as they come. A yellow ant can kill your NPCs or you in one attack (not with 10k armor though...) IMPORTANT EDIT I just remembered it's doubtful either the ranger or WD solo will be able to bring down transports in one opening (3xJ9 or 3xMonster-S is 54000 damage, transports in inferno have slightly more than that, so you're looking at 4 waves of yellows; I did it with ranger I never finished with WD as sniping FVs with Monster-S is a bore, and I do remember that even with ranger it was difficult as hell to do this mission, and I died a few times; NPCs can't handle inferno yellows, and they will wipeout your NPCs in a snap, and once all your NPCs are gone, you're next)

- to handle the next yellow ants transport go to the other side of the map. Rinse and repeat (in summary you want to be as far as possible from it so you have more time to kill gold ants from a distance and far from everything else)

- a new group of NPCs will spawn once less than 40 enemies are in the map to the right of starting point; pick them there's a ranger with a awesome laser gun that will come in handy (and they will jump into the wrong place if you don't)

- now from the corner sides of the start lane handle deroys and hectors that are far from the fortress

- the last deroy is right by the fortress, when you attack it the fortress will wake

- fortress will walk to the left of your starting position, so be at the right of the map before attacking last deroy

- snipe from distance: the back cannon in the middle of the fortress, then the 4 lasers in the head, 2 on each side, plus the one on his ass (had forgotten this one, not present in EDF 2017 fortress) your NPCs will surely handle the FVs that the fortress spawns

- when this is done snipe the fortress door when it's open, fortress won't be able to piss you without the cannon and lasers (but will wipe your NPCs and you if it has them)

- kill last transport, even in inferno it's not difficult but remember silver spiders need a ton of shots to die

- pick crates, kill last few FVs

 

Using AR with 2xZEXR is easier since if you use them right they can wipe out all golds and silver spiders. But it's still risky and a single gold ant can wipe out your tank with 2 attacks (ants and spiders do enormous damage to tanks). But it's a pain while there's still a lot of FVs as you won't be able to snipe them and they will come whenever you shoot down transports, and they can make your life miserable once all NPCs are dead. You can also try to shoot FVs with railgun while not rebuilding ZEXRs, which has greater priority. NPCs are dumb and throw themselves in front of ZEXRs. FVs are the AR biggest issue if he doesn't have a web gun (Caesar Wire ZD or Skytrap Wire 16W) which are the best weapons to deal with FVs except guided ones. Never stay in the same place for long FVs love that.

Also sniping the mech lasers with the railgun isn't easy from far. But hopefully with 2 tanks (75 shots) you'll be able to. And more tanks can be farmed with the FVs the mech spawns.

 

There's other possible strategies (like killing the fortress first and using it as shield for next waves in multiplayer), but in all you must do things one at a time and to me this is the easiest way. Have notion of what easiest means, this is the worse one.

There's a huge increase in difficulty between hardest and inferno in this one, inferno gold ants are a royal PITA in this mission. FVs are a lot more dangerous.

 

As advance hint for next sure bottleneck, in 88 for Ranger, Lysander and Reverse Shooter-X, and WD, Mirage 15WR and Idunn-FF or Thunder Bow 30 (XD is usually a bad idea, more 5% energy cost for a miserable improvement in damage). Ranger will handle everything big, WD small. WD should be far from mess, in safe place using Mirage, and returning to help with big stuff when small ones are wiped out. Move away from shields in 2nd phase. Back where you start is the best place all along.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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Finally cleared mission 87 it on hardest with all characters. Ended up just doing it with the Ranger basically solo while having the other characters just idle.

 

I had to take a different strategy, basically hung out on the 'left' safezone first, took out left golden ant transport right away, killed oncoming waves, dealt with air dudes as long as I could, and then just picked off remaining transports one at a time, strategically and dealt with waves as they came. It was very very very hard, but I did it.

 

May have to incorporate more of what you said for inferno though with spiders upgrading and purple ants, but I'm gonna attempt it soon and see. Ranger now has 28k health which helps a lot if I get overrun.

 

Looks like we're gonna clear hardest though with everyone, I'll be in touch with Inferno as need be for help from you.

 

Thanks again!

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man, been grinding out the last Wing Diver weapon but Gungnir just wont drop. Been switching between several different missions but nothing....It's my last weapon for her as well. Already have Rule of God for Air Raider. 

 

Also thanks for the thread! Been super helpful and inspired me to get back into EDF 4.1

 

 

Edit: Did a second serious try at Massive mobilization and beat it solo Wing Diver using Monster-s and Idunn-FF. Had a near death experience near the end after dealing with the fortress then the silver spiders decided they wanted to play with me and my AI. Was surrounded by 4 of them and I shouldn't have lived but did and cleared it. Now to do it 3 more times split screen lol. 

 

 

And I have obtained the Gungnir after over a week of farming! onward to the Fencer!

 

another update: Fencer inferno weapons obtained, now to obtain the Ranger's inferno weapons and continue running on hard!

 

 

yet another update: I've gotten all but one inferno weapon for the Ranger.
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Okay time to run through hardest with wingdiver! Almost done with hardest run with Wingdiver

 

 

Edit again: Dunno if it's a glitch or not but I beat hardest with Wingdiver in split screen and the trophy didn't pop but popped after I cleared a level on hardest so heads up if you clear all levels in split screen and don't get a trophy just clear solo and it should unlock. 

 

 

 

11/15 update: most of the way through Fencer on hard difficulty, after that I'll do Air Raider on hard followed by weapon clean up on the few weapons I don't yet have. Then Hardest pairings with ranger/Air Raider and Wing Diver/Fencer. I know I've done Wing Diver already on hardest, but pairing her with Fencer seems the best since he's slow AF and she's fast and deadly. 

 

11/17 Fencer cleared on Hard, Starting Air Raider on hard

 

11/18 Air Raider cleared on hard, getting last few weapons.

 

11/22 All fencer weapons obtained and cleared Massive Mobilization on Inferno with Air Raider/Ranger. Went double Lysander Z with ranger picking off flying machines and used double ZEXR-GUN with Epsilon Armored Blast Railgun E for Air Raider activating the guns when bugs got too close after blasting away dropships one by one with the Railgun.

 

11/24 ALL WEAPONS OBTAINED!!!!

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@cris3f Thank you very much for all your tips and strategies about obtaining high lv weapons. I had picked up several weapons with the Wing Diver and Ranger before i saw your postings. It took quite a while to get the high lv weapons for both. In comparison i played 3 times Pyramid of Light and 4 times Heaven's Army to get the Rule of God.

 

I played Pyramid of Light more than 60 hours to grind weapons for all classes and then i tried Golden Darkness from the dlc. I think it's waaaaaay easier. It's shorter and gives more creates. On average i got 5 weapons in PoL vs 20 in GD. 20 armor in PoL vs 70 in GD.

 

@Rick_Sanchez Was your Wing Diver on first or second controller? If it was on 2nd it won't unlock a trophy. Play any mission on the same difficulty with the Wing Diver on 1st controller to get the difficulty trophy :)

 

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On 12/8/2022 at 3:23 AM, Evil_Joker88 said:

@cris3f Thank you very much for all your tips and strategies about obtaining high lv weapons. I had picked up several weapons with the Wing Diver and Ranger before i saw your postings. It took quite a while to get the high lv weapons for both. In comparison i played 3 times Pyramid of Light and 4 times Heaven's Army to get the Rule of God.

 

I played Pyramid of Light more than 60 hours to grind weapons for all classes and then i tried Golden Darkness from the dlc. I think it's waaaaaay easier. It's shorter and gives more creates. On average i got 5 weapons in PoL vs 20 in GD. 20 armor in PoL vs 70 in GD.

 

@Rick_Sanchez Was your Wing Diver on first or second controller? If it was on 2nd it won't unlock a trophy. Play any mission on the same difficulty with the Wing Diver on 1st controller to get the difficulty trophy :)

 

it was my 1st controller iirc, honestly not 100% sure I remember which it was but I normally have it as controller 1

 

12/23/22: Air raider hardest complete, working on last few levels for Fencer, then most of the game for ranger. 

 

12/25/22: Fencer on hardest done, ranger is close to being done. Then it's inferno levels left for the real challenge. 

 

1/6: All classes complete in Inferno. Now to grind the last transport ship kills which I just did!

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The weapon list on that website @cris3f put a link in the first comment didn't work for me anymore and i couldn't find any other online so i created my own sheet on google and everyone can look at it. I've copied the list from the website @cris3f linked in the first post.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18-PGyK_p1jruxC7oXJU9eTxPTzKdNqQW8UuT4VEBv74/edit?usp=sharing

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very much appreciated, i've recently gone back to this game and was sad to see that old website that had a great checklist as well as specification on the mission numbers for the weapon in question, suddenly gone.

 

incidentally, why are not more ppl playing this awesome game? a lot of assumptions here but if we go by the average player picking Ranger + Normal difficulty and assuming they stick with a single class to clear all missions, then, only something like 2% of players actually cleared the campaign

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On 9/9/2023 at 4:15 PM, Evil_Joker88 said:

The weapon list on that website @cris3f put a link in the first comment didn't work for me anymore and i couldn't find any other online so i created my own sheet on google and everyone can look at it. I've copied the list from the website @cris3f linked in the first post.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18-PGyK_p1jruxC7oXJU9eTxPTzKdNqQW8UuT4VEBv74/edit?usp=sharing

 

The weapons site is likely down forever but still available on Wayback machine for now:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220705120105/http://weapon.edf.jpn.com/4-1/

 

EDF 5 list is missing but on EDF5 it wasn't that interesting because of the stars collection, which made the list confusing and why people likely stopped using it.

 

The weapons list for 4.1 is also on the EDF jp wiki:

 

https://w.atwiki.jp/edf41/pages/39.html

 

Use a browser with translation capabilities (Chrome, Edge) and drop down the "Obtained weapon level (estimate)".

 

On 9/12/2023 at 5:03 PM, ifyucantbeatmeXD said:

very much appreciated, i've recently gone back to this game and was sad to see that old website that had a great checklist as well as specification on the mission numbers for the weapon in question, suddenly gone.

 

incidentally, why are not more ppl playing this awesome game? a lot of assumptions here but if we go by the average player picking Ranger + Normal difficulty and assuming they stick with a single class to clear all missions, then, only something like 2% of players actually cleared the campaign

 

EDF games are very long to complete even if you're good. You're looking at 250-300 hours offline (cheesing 2 classes split screen), almost 700-1000 online. The fame has a steep learning curve and overwhelmingly people play in brain-dead mode (just blow things and try to survive. This won't work in Inferno unless you have a ton of armor.

You need to dedicate 1k to 2k hours to get reasonable in the series. Very few people are willing to do that.

 

It's a real pity, because once you learn to really play the game and start to do it with constraints in armor and weapons, you start to use cleverly NPCs and you have knowledge of the missions you can develop strategies to solve the missions and then the game is REALY AWESOME. That's not going to change. People just stick to the brain dead version for lack of time, or interest. To me, there are very few games that are as well designed as Sandlot EDF games are.

 

Everyone just complains of the graphics quality and frame rates, when clearly they have no technical knowledge to see that it's impossible for any console to manage to cope with the sheer number of things the game is on too many occasions doing at the same time. And when they have a new generation console to use, they just put on steroids again the number of enemies, weapons and environment stuff to destroy and it's the same thing all over again. Sill remarkable how well EDF 6 runs on PS4 though, their greatest achievement in the game.

 

On 12/8/2022 at 9:23 AM, Evil_Joker88 said:

 

 

I played Pyramid of Light more than 60 hours to grind weapons for all classes and then i tried Golden Darkness from the dlc. I think it's waaaaaay easier. It's shorter and gives more creates. On average i got 5 weapons in PoL vs 20 in GD. 20 armor in PoL vs 70 in GD.

 

 

@Rick_Sanchez

 

 

I hate Golden Darkness. It's a PITA mission. It takes 20 minutes to get done, and the last wave is gold ants, which can one shot you at 10k armor. And will one shot any NPC they hit. The only advantage is that WD and Ranger can do it. And it's a cave mission, so dark all the way, and again the goldies part can be nasty.

But Air Raider can do Scorching and Heaven's Army in Inferno in way less than 10 minutes and the vast majority of crates will be concentrated in a small area. More weapons ones than in Golden Darkness. Can also do easily and quickly Battle to Death but crates will be very spread. All these 3 with 1k armor. Can you do Golden Darkness with 1k armor on Inferno in any class?

The only downside is that you have to split screen other classes on these missions, but it's pretty easy to do it, particularly on Scorching, I have a video showing and explaining how to do it (read video description).

My opinion anyway. To me, the best weapons farming missions are the quickest, easiest and more productive, and Scorching is by far the best in 4.1, yes including DLC missions.

 

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I just tried connecting a second controller to open a splitscreen co-op game. I got a warning that my game wouldn't be saved and I couldn't earn trophies. Was that added recently? Is it incorrect?

Thanks for the info by the way. I already got the Rule of God with under 300 armor on my Air Raider.

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On 9/9/2023 at 10:15 AM, Evil_Joker88 said:

The weapon list on that website @cris3f put a link in the first comment didn't work for me anymore and i couldn't find any other online so i created my own sheet on google and everyone can look at it. I've copied the list from the website @cris3f linked in the first post.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18-PGyK_p1jruxC7oXJU9eTxPTzKdNqQW8UuT4VEBv74/edit?usp=sharing

 

On 9/12/2023 at 11:03 AM, ifyucantbeatmeXD said:

very much appreciated, i've recently gone back to this game and was sad to see that old website that had a great checklist as well as specification on the mission numbers for the weapon in question, suddenly gone.

 

incidentally, why are not more ppl playing this awesome game? a lot of assumptions here but if we go by the average player picking Ranger + Normal difficulty and assuming they stick with a single class to clear all missions, then, only something like 2% of players actually cleared the campaign

Someone on the EDF discord made a new site

https://invadersfromplanet.space

You can select your EDF game from a drop down, select the soldier class and weapon group to check them off. You can even find what levels to grind them on for both offline and online options.

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