Hogwarts Legacy Announced

[MAUSZX]

I have never been a fan of Harry Potter, never watch the movies or read the books, but if I was I would totally buy this game regardless of what the creator says.

I am all pro gay rights and I visit Chick Fil A every time I can.

JK is filthy rich, not buying this game won't affect her wallet at all since most of the revenue she creates is all about the licensing, sales gets her a super small percentage.

[Raidou Kuzunoha XIV]

No ethical consumption under capitalism - we're all complicit to some extent in humans and animals alike being treated poorly, whether it's the food we consume, the electronics we purchase, just how we go about our day to day lives with travelling, using the internet, etc. etc.

 

But I'm sure I don't need to point out there's a difference between things that are a necessity, and a video game, which no one needs. I'm not gonna say anyone who buys the game new (or digitally) is automatically a transphobe, just as I'm not gonna say anyone supports crunch if they bought Red Dead 2, or supports the war in Ukraine if they buy Atomic Heart - you're most likely buying those games because they look fun, which no one is gonna begrudge you for. But you're indirectly supporting it whether you want to or not, just like you're indirectly supporting slavery and other human rights violations with the food, clothing and electronics you buy. I know people generally don't like to hear that, we don't like to hear that things we choose to do or buy makes us "bad people" to some degree, but that's just the reality of it. It's not just a case of Rowling having some unsavoury views, she's actively supporting anti-trans organisations. She's one of those people that is "clever" about how she expresses her views, so to a lot of people, she may not seem transphobic, since nothing she says is "overtly" transphobic (AFAIK, dunno if she's gotten worse in recent years or not). There's plausible deniability, but it's plain as day to anyone who's seen this kind of rhetoric a million times.

 

The game is undoubtedly going to sell well so no one needs to worry about buying 5 copies to "own the libs" or whatever. And if it makes anyone feel any better about their purchase, Rowling is probably not going to go away any time soon whether or not this game even exists anyway. Just buy the game or don't, that's your own business, no point making any mental gymnastics or comparisons to justify your purchase - if you go down that route, it just becomes a game of "how many wrongs make a right?", which is pointless. Perhaps the better question you should be asking yourself is, why do you even feel the need to justify your purchase?

 

Also, my condolences to @Abby_TheLastofUs for likely another locked thread at some point, lol.

[MidnightDragon]

 

13 minutes ago, Raidou Kuzunoha XIV said:

Also, my condolences to @Abby_TheLastofUs for likely another locked thread at some point, lol.

We just can't have nice things!  

[Darling Baphomet]

24 minutes ago, Raidou Kuzunoha XIV said:

No ethical consumption under capitalism - we're all complicit to some extent in humans and animals alike being treated poorly, whether it's the food we consume, the electronics we purchase, just how we go about our day to day lives with travelling, using the internet, etc. etc.

 

Yeah, to some extent supporting most game companies could be considered immoral - between the sexual assault allegations at Activision Blizzard, rampant forced overtime, etc, there are no ethical corporations out there. I would note that there's a difference between buying a piece of media that's made by a company with problematic elements and buying a piece of media made by someone who is essentially a figurehead for bigotry, though. I'd imagine we'd see a similar (or greater, since it doesn't merely involve trans people) amount of backlash if we were speaking about a popular franchise helmed by, say, Alex Jones or Ben Shapiro.

 

43 minutes ago, Elvick_ said:

She wrote a book where a non-trans character dressed like a woman to harm women. That means she's a transphobe, because a non-trans character was a villain and "trans supporters" can't disassociate a man in a dress from someone who is trans, the sad irony.

 

Ah yes, the vocal transphobe who has repeatedly doxxed trans people and targeted them with mass harassment and wrote a book featuring a transphobic stereotype as a serial killer, under the name of the inventor of gay conversion therapy. An entirely apolitical act and has nothing to do with her personal beliefs whatsoever. Being unwilling to waste your time on people who spew the same bad faith arguments (that are almost as unoriginal as their jokes) ad nauseum is not the same as being unable to.

 

43 minutes ago, Elvick_ said:

They didn't even say anything about Disney filming parts of Mulan near internment camps where China is actually committing cultural genocide. Forceful sterilization, etc.

 

Neither do you. It's funny how the only time you people pretend to care about social issues is when you can use them to dismiss other social issues. And it's always problems in countries primarily populated by people of color, too. No mention, for instance, of the ongoing sterilization of indigenous people in Canada, which is a form of genocide.

 

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of us are not Chinese, and no amount of westerners bitching about Chinese injustices is going to actually affect them. On the other hand, we do have the ability to improve things in the west. Which is why we focus on injustices in the west. You know, the place where western leftists reside. Because if you care about injustices, why the fuck would you start with those halfway across the world? Unless, you know, you don't actually care about those injustices, you just want some evil foreigners that you can scapegoat whenever those annoying wokies start talking about bigotry again.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Darling Baphomet

[Raidou Kuzunoha XIV]

5 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Yeah, to some extent supporting most game companies could be considered immoral - between the sexual assault allegations at Activision Blizzard, rampant forced overtime, etc, there are no ethical corporations out there. I would note that there's a difference between buying a piece of media that's made by a company with problematic elements and buying a piece of media made by someone who is essentially a figurehead for bigotry, though. I'd imagine we'd see a similar (or greater, since it doesn't merely involve trans people) amount of backlash if we were speaking about a popular franchise helmed by, say, Alex Jones or Ben Shapiro.

 

Absolutely - plenty of people bought Activision Blizzard games before the sexual assault allegations were made public, they had no way of knowing what they were indirectly supporting, and I imagine there's many other shady things going down with some companies we may never be privy to anyway. But with someone like Rowling, you know exactly who's receiving royalties on the game you're buying.

[Elvick_]

13 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Neither do you. It's funny how the only time you people pretend to care about social issues is when you can use them to dismiss other social issues. And it's always problems in countries primarily populated by people of color, too. No mention, for instance, of the ongoing sterilization of indigenous people in Canada, which is a form of genocide.

Lmao. I called Disney on that shit as it happened because it’s awful and Disney is awful. Kick rocks.

[Infected Elite]

16 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Yeah, to some extent supporting most game companies could be considered immoral 

100%

 

16 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

Neither do you. It's funny how the only time you people pretend to care about social issues is when you can use them to dismiss other social issues. And it's always problems in countries primarily populated by people of color, too. No mention, for instance, of the ongoing sterilization of indigenous people in Canada, which is a form of genocide.

 

Not all of us canadians are bad eh? But indigenous and color talks are ones i avoid. 

also you said "you people".... that is bad in 2023. ?

 

But yeah, Canada has its issues. We are far from perfect. 

 

[BlindMango]

It looks like millions will be enjoying the game when it launches, and thousands will not be playing any games and complaining about it on social media for like a week after its launch and then move on to the next thing. Truly a tale as old as time

 

Celebrities were better off before social media when people had this assumption that they were perfect people who could think or do no wrong, and their fans were better off as well because they could enjoy the worlds or characters they created and live their life with less stress

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by BlindMango

[Darling Baphomet]

4 minutes ago, Infected Elite said:

also you said "you people".... that is bad in 2023. 

 

Depends on which people you're talking about. In this case, I mean the "the evil SJWs are force feminizing me by talking about transphobia" crowd.
 

4 minutes ago, Infected Elite said:

But yeah, Canada has its issues. We are far from perfect.

 

Yeah, it sounds like it's better than the US overall, but nowhere near as progressive as some people make it sound, e.g. all the people who talk about moving to Canada as if it's the last bastion of civilization.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Darling Baphomet

[Infected Elite]

3 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Depends on which people you're talking about. In this case, I mean the "the evil SJWs are force feminizing me by talking about transphobia" crowd.
 

i just meant the term. Seems its joining the ranks of weirdos. Apparently thats bad to call people as of 2022. Just be you. You challenge opinions, thats something many dont do. Take/accept criticism as well as work with it to come to a compromised understanding of both parties thus neutralizing any further argument.

 

3 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Yeah, it sounds like it's better than the US overall, but nowhere near as progressive as some people make it sound, e.g. all the people who talk about moving to Canada as if it's the last bastion of civilization.

 

Ah i mean Canada.... has some flaws. Way too much free land, which is nice. Way too high cost of living right now, single room apartment in high end place like toronto or vancouver can go for 2400$-3000$.... then theres all the canadians vs whomever. Canada is racist and everything too, i think it just goes unseen because media doesnt really touch on it. 

 

I hear New Zealand is nice though. 

 

But back on topic, didn't a bunch of people get mad at Resident Evil 5 because most zombies were african american? Its as if people cant distinguish reality from art. Seems the same is true with Hogwarts. 

[Annoyingtiger888]

The way I see it is - if it was really that important to people, you'd think they'd be doing something more productive to help the cause than arguing with strangers on a forum or trying to create a cancel party on twitter *shrugs. It's strange to me that people think bitching about something on twitter will help, especially when twitter is filled with kpop fancams and people trying to cancel others just because they're bored on Wednesday.

 

Canceling one game won't make any difference because that chick is loaded to the teeth with cash. She won't feel a bit of pain on the off chance this game was canceled or no one bought it. She probably wouldn't even notice as she bathes in her in-ground pool of cash. At the end of the day, some will buy the game and be transported to a world of magic they can only dream of. Others won't buy the game and will continue to be bitter towards those that did instead of doing something more productive with their ire. I have friends in the LGBTQ community who can't stand JK and don't support what she says, but they have no problem with Harry Potter because they can separate the art from the artist. 

 

Here's a news flash for you - human beings are generally trash. Everyone has done something shitty, you just don't know about it. You support thousands of games, companies, and artists who say and do shitty things and you're none the wiser. Or maybe you are but it's just not interesting enough for you to bitch about that. If we stopped consuming all media created by dipshit humans, we'd all be sitting in a white room rocking back and forth wondering why the fuck we're even still here. Being "woke" is fine, but don't try to push it onto others. That's why people aren't willing to back you.

 

Generally, when you try to force something on someone, they will do the opposite. You're only hurting your own cause.

 

That's the last I'll say on the subject, but the rest of you can continue on. Just wait for me to get my popcorn, yeah?

[Viper]

I don't agree with Rowlings views...but I also don't give much of a shit about her speaking her mind either. To me the game looks amazing, and I'm saying that as someone who's a very casual Harry Potter fan (I liked the movies, but never became a super fan), so I want to play it. I'm not pre-ordering it or anything, but something I'll get later. But point is, I think it looks good, I want to get it. Pretty simple. 

[Darling Baphomet]

35 minutes ago, Annoyingtiger888 said:

The way I see it is - if it was really that important to people, you'd think they'd be doing something more productive to help the cause than arguing with strangers on a forum or trying to create a cancel party on twitter *shrugs. It's strange to me that people think bitching about something on twitter will help, especially when twitter is filled with kpop fancams and people trying to cancel others just because they're bored on Wednesday.

 

And bitching about people on Twitter on a niche forum is somehow more productive?

 

See, that's kind of the thing with sharing your opinions. It doesn't have to be productive.

 

35 minutes ago, Annoyingtiger888 said:

Here's a news flash for you - human beings are generally trash. Everyone has done something shitty, you just don't know about it.

 

Okay, sure. But there is a world of difference between a guy who said some racist things five years ago and Ben Shapiro. JK Rowling isn't just some random person, she's a (well, former) billionaire who has dedicated her money and influence to attacking trans people. The billionaire who has turned herself into the CEO of TERFs is worth thousands of regular people who have just "done something shitty."

 

Also, shoutout to the classic "but I have gay friends!"

[BrandedBerserk]

1 hour ago, Darling Baphomet said:

Yeah, it sounds like it's better than the US overall, but nowhere near as progressive as some people make it sound, e.g. all the people who talk about moving to Canada as if it's the last bastion of civilization.

 

Now compare America or Canada to other countries around the world then come back and let us know just how bad you have it living comfortably In a country with limitless opportunities where you can actually afford to sit on the internet crying about your problems. 

[Darling Baphomet]

2 minutes ago, BrandedBerserk said:

Now compare America or Canada to other countries around the world then come back and let us know just how bad you have it living comfortably In a country with limitless opportunities where you can actually afford to sit on the internet crying about your problems. 

 

My god, it's like speaking to an early 2000s chatbot. Would you like to explain to the class exactly what you think the purported economic opportunities in the US & Canada have to do with addressing systemic injustices and outright genocide?

Edited January 20, 2023 by Darling Baphomet

[StraightVege]

Hmm, some interesting comments here. I think my views on boycotts have actually changed significantly. If by "they're pointless," one just means "they could be more efficacious," I can grant that. However, if my goals are simply to quantifiably reduce the amount of the thing in question being produced, while personally abstaining from something I deem unethical, it seems pretty clear that at least some boycotts satisfy those criteria. There's also nothing preventing me from doing it alongside other forms of activism.

 

At this point, the "no ethical consumption" phrase makes my eye start twitching, because so many left-leaning folks use it as a bad faith cop out (like the political streamer Vaush, and much of his fanbase). It seems clear to me that, if I have to choose between buying a sweater made with the hair of enslaved orphans, or a sweater made with synthetic fibers, it's morally preferable for me to purchase the latter, even if some exploitation was still involved somewhere in the process of its creation. Regarding "why not do something more productive than argue," how do you know they're not? People can engage in multiple things simultaneously.

 

As for the game, even if I didn't find the author's views detestable, it wouldn't interest me. I have a brother who really loves the books and films, and he tried mightily to get me into them, but it just never clicked for me, and I'm not exactly sure why. Evanna Lynch seems like a super cool lady, though.

[Boorish]

2 hours ago, TJ_Solo said:

Her tweet seems to have turned all of her work into something else though for some people, sad. 

Besides being a transphobe on Twitter, JKR has always shown signs of being an ignorant bigot in the HP books. Only to name a few problematic thing in the books: her depictions of Goblins echoing anti-semitic tropes about Jewish people which is indistinguishable from Nazi propaganda, Elfs actually like being slaves, cartoonishly naming characters of color, using fat-phobic language, and the wizard supremacy being the good kind of "racism".

[Infected Elite]

Just play the game. Who cares about the backstory. Remember, this is a gaming forum. Not a high school drama class.

[Darling Baphomet]

6 minutes ago, StraightVege said:

At this point, the "no ethical consumption" phrase makes my eye start twitching, because so many left-leaning folks use it as a bad faith cop out (like the political streamer Vaush, and much of his fanbase).

 

It definitely can be used as such, but I think there's a valid point to it in that a lot of people go overboard on promoting consumer activism to the point where they ignore everything else. E.g. there's a lot of people who seem to think that the solution to pollution is pestering individuals about using plastic straws. Which, yes, if people are aware that plastic straws are harmful and stop using them, that's good. But it's ultimately the corporations that choose to use plastic and who are responsible for the vast majority of pollution. Consumers just buy what's available. If you need something to drink your soda with, you're not going to wait 2-3 days for a metal straw to ship from Amazon, you're going to use what you have on hand.

 

That being said, backlash and encouraging people not to buy products is good. But focusing entirely on the individual is self-defeating, because it's always the target of the boycott that's the problem, not the consumer.

 

But yeah, I had mild interest in HP stuff before all this happened but now I have absolutely none. For all I care, the franchise can rot.

 

9 minutes ago, Boorish said:

Besides being a transphobe on Twitter, JKR has always shown signs of being an ignorant bigot in the HP books. Only to name a few problematic thing in the books: her depictions of Goblins echoing anti-semitic tropes about Jewish people which is indistinguishable from Nazi propaganda, Elfs actually like being slaves, cartoonishly naming characters of color, using fat-phobic language, and the wizard supremacy being the good kind of "racism".

 

Careful, being able to identify racist caricatures means you're racist, apparently.

[Zephrese]

2 hours ago, Raidou Kuzunoha XIV said:

Also, my condolences to @Abby_TheLastofUs for likely another locked thread at some point, lol.

 

It'd be nice if both sides could stop spewing out braindead takes nobody asked for and derailing everything in a massive online dick measuring competition, but yet here we are...

 

Personally think Rowling is a hack regardless of her personal views (and despite still liking Harry Potter), although I certainly don't agree with said views either.

That said, I'll likely give the game a chance depending on how it turns out (and maybe after a sale) despite being on the "Rowling is bad" side of the aisle.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Zephrese

[StraightVege]

@Darling Baphomet  I think we largely agree. I'm a fan of walking and chewing gum at the same time—people can make positive changes in their own lives, while continuing to hold corporations accountable.

[Boorish]

12 minutes ago, Zephrese said:

both sides could stop spewing out braindead takes nobody asked for and derailing everything in a massive online dick measuring competition

Very insightful take. Some might even call this enlightening, lying in the center.

[Infected Elite]

I'm not picking sides. But i am growing tired of everything turning into debates. Nothing against any opinions but seriously, just make an off topic thread and call it "Debates" and people can go there to let off steam or something.

 

If you can take all the energy spent spewing hate, and put it toward something positive for yourself or another being, this world will slowly become a better place.

 

Lets just call a ceasefire between anyone arguing or throwing their opinions at each other.

 

Game will be out in a few weeks, my biggest concern is how combat will feel. But it wont be long. Feb 7.

[Annoyingtiger888]

Getting back on topic, I'm wondering what house ya'll are gonna choose. From what I heard, there's no sorting in the game itself but you can link your wizarding world(?) profile to import your house, wand, etc. I was watching a video that showed off each house and while each one looks beautiful, I'm really intrigued by the fact that Slytherin is beneath the lake. It's weird because blue is my favorite color, but I don't feel right for Ravenclaw. I love honey badgers but I don't feel right for Hufflepuff, either.

 

I've always loved Slytherin and I have no idea why. Most of 'em of jerks but there's just something so beautiful about the snake emblem and the green/silver. Every test I take always puts me in Gryffindor, though lol I honestly have no idea which one I'm going to choose... do I stay true to my test and choose the brave lion or do I go with my heart and choose the ambitious snake? ?

[zulqarmessi]

13 minutes ago, Annoyingtiger888 said:

It's weird because blue is my favorite color, but I don't feel right for Ravenclaw. 

I am Ravenclaw via wizarding world ?