New Platinum Trophy Value and Trophy Level Formula

[NathanielJohn]

Sony hasn't released the new trophy level formula or officially announced the new trophy point values, so I thought I'd start a thread with this information. None of this is official -- it's all reverse-engineered by looking at people's profiles.

 

New trophy point values:

• Bronze: 15
• Silver: 30
• Gold: 90
• Platinum: 300

 

The only difference above is that platinum trophies are now worth more (300 points instead of 180). The values of bronze, silver, and gold trophies did not change.

 

New trophy level calculation:

Once again, the trophy level calculation is not a smooth curve, but rather has cut-offs. Here is how it works:

• Levels 1 - 99: 60 points (4 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 100 - 199: 90 points (6 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 200 - 299: 450 points (30 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 300 - 399: 900 points (60 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 400 - 499: 1350 points (90 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 500 - 599: 1800 points (120 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 600 - 699: 2250 points (150 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 700 - 799: 2700 points (180 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 800 - 899: 3150 points (210 bronzes) per level up
• Levels 900 - 999: 3600 points (240 bronzes) per level up

 

Platinuming a single game gets you to level 23 now. It takes a total of 1631340 points to reach level 999, which equals roughly 1200 full games platinumed.

Edited October 8, 2020 by NathanielJohn

[Sly Ripper]

What profiles have you based this on?

[NathanielJohn]

31 minutes ago, Sly Ripper said:

What profiles have you based this on?

 

A linear level progression is dumb.

 

I agree that a linear level progression is dumb, and I can't imagine why they did it *again*. I've done my calculations so far based on about 50 random profiles between levels 1 and 100, and it's 100% consistent. I'm not sure about high levels yet -- still working on that. I'm working on between levels 100 and 200 now.

 

Edit: I'm done now, got it all figured out.

Edited October 8, 2020 by NathanielJohn

[Sly Ripper]

Just now, NathanielJohn said:

 

I agree that a linear level progression is dumb, and I can't imagine why they did it *again*. I've done my calculations so far based on about 50 random profiles between levels 1 and 100, and it's 100% consistent. I'm not sure about high levels yet -- still working on that. I'm working on between levels 100 and 200 now.

 

It makes sense to not adjust the other trophies as that'd affect game completion percentage. Platinum points are ignored for that but count towards levels.

[NathanielJohn]

Holy cow, the more I look at this new formula, the stupider it is. You know how before there was a big jump between level 12 and 13? Like it was super easy to get to level 12, but harder to progress past that? Well now it's the exact same thing at level 200, which is what level 12 becomes under this new system. This is just a scaled-up version of the same stupid formula they were using before.

 

So just like most people used to float forever in the level 12 - 20 range, now most people will float forever in the level 200 - 300 range. Nothing actually changed except numbers got bigger.

Edited October 8, 2020 by NathanielJohn

[Xylobe]

1 minute ago, NathanielJohn said:

So just like most people used to float forever in the level 12 - 20 range, now most people will float forever in the level 200 - 300 range. Nothing actually changed except numbers got bigger.

 

If nothing else, 200-300 is a wider range than 12-20, and more frequent level ups for casual players seemed like the main thing they were going for with this update in the first place.

[HusKy]

28 minutes ago, NathanielJohn said:

Platinum: 300

 

Great news for Ratalaika ?

[NathanielJohn]

OK, formula done. It becomes quite regular at level 200, so it was easy to figure out from there. As an example to illustrate it being correct, I have 1064 platinums, 6738 golds, 9884 silvers, and 18080 bronzes, for a total of

 

300*1064 + 90*6738 + 30*9884 + 15*18080 = 1493340 points

 

The first 60 * 99 = 5940 of those points got me to level 100.

The next 90 * 100 = 9000 of those points got me to level 200.

The next 450 * 100 = 45000 of those points got me to level 300.

The next 900 * 100 = 90000 of those points got me to level 400.

The next 1350 * 100 = 135000 of those points got me to level 500.

The next 1800 * 100 = 180000 of those points got me to level 600.

The next 2250 * 100 = 225000 of those points got me to level 700.

The next 2700 * 100 = 270000 of those points got me to level 800.

The next 3150 * 100 = 315000 of those points got me to level 900.

 

After all of that, I have 1493340 - 315000 - 270000 - 225000 - 180000 - 135000 - 90000 - 45000 - 9000 - 5940 = 218400 points left over. Since ever level after 900 requires 3600 points per level up, I should have 218400/3600 = 60.66 extra levels. And indeed, I'm at level 960 and 66%.

[scemopagliaccioh]

Very nice, thanks!

[MikeCheck--]

Well done. I don't mind the change. Didn't like having to spend a month or more playing games to level up. Felt too long. The grind will still be present. What is the big deal? 

[HusKy]

8 minutes ago, MikeCheck-- said:

What is the big deal? 

 

The new system didn't solve any of the previous issues. I suppose that's what most people dislike about it.

[AJ_Radio]

It's a pretty pointless update to be honest. At the end of the day I don't care how high my trophy level is.

 

The real value for me is enjoying the games I play and overcoming that challenge I set for myself. People will just aim for more platinums whilst ignoring the DLC and won't even consider non-platinum games.

[NathanielJohn]

32 minutes ago, MikeCheck-- said:

What is the big deal? 

It's not a "big deal", but it would have been nice if they took this opportunity to actually make it a smooth curve, rather than this cut-off nonsense again. They changed the system, but didn't actually fix anything in the process.

 

Video games almost always use smooth curves for levelling, since otherwise it feels janky. Imagine a video game where it takes you 1 hour to reach level 2, 1.5 more hours to reach level 3, and then 7.5 hours to reach level 4. That's what both the old and the new trophy leveling system does. It's just weird and unnecessary to have such a jump.

 

It literally takes 5 times as many points to go from level 200 to 201, as it does to go from level 199 to 200. Why? Why not just smooth it out? Why not just fit a quadratic to the data, which would make the curve as a whole look roughly the same, but without the jankiness and without people getting stuck in "troughs" like the new 200-300 levelling range?

 

Edit: Here is what the levelling graph looks like under this new system:

 

 

The overall shape of it is fine, but why does it have to be piecewise linear like that? A sideways quadratic (i.e., a square root function) has the exact same qualitative behavior, but "feels" better because it doesn't have the corners like the big one at level 200.

Edited October 8, 2020 by NathanielJohn

[MMDE]

A bit above 1208 plats to cap the new level system... It's like they saw this meme and went with it:

 

Games without a platinum is now valued about 10% less towards your PSN level, same with any DLC you do, promoting (stacks of) fast and easy platinums.

 

Example:

250 100% used to be worth about 64 games with platinum, but is now only worth about 58 games with platinum.

Edited October 8, 2020 by MMDE

[NathanielJohn]

1 minute ago, MMDE said:

A bit above 1326 plats to cap the new level system...

 

1326 is based on using the old platinum trophy value of 180 points. A "standard" full trophy list used to have 1230 points, but now has 1350 due to the platinum point change. 1631340/1350 = 1208.4 full platinums.

[MMDE]

1 minute ago, NathanielJohn said:

 

1326 is based on using the old platinum trophy value of 180 points. A "standard" full trophy list used to have 1230 points, but now has 1350 due to the platinum point change. 1631340/1350 = 1208.4 full platinums.

 

Urgh, I thought I had used 1350. >_< Fixed though.

[Lordidude]

So level 999 equals roughly previous level 175.

 

Very interesting. They definitely raised the net level by a lot.

[djb5f]

Since no change in value of bronze, silver, or gold trophies, that means no change in the calculation of completion % on this site.  That metric always interested me more than trophy level.

Unless they start to add platinums to the calculation (those are currently excluded here).

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by djb5f

[closertim]

39 minutes ago, NathanielJohn said:

OK, formula done. It becomes quite regular at level 200, so it was easy to figure out from there. As an example to illustrate it being correct, I have 1064 platinums, 6738 golds, 9884 silvers, and 18080 bronzes, for a total of

 

300*1064 + 90*6738 + 30*9884 + 15*18080 = 1493340 points

 

The first 60 * 99 = 5940 of those points got me to level 100.

The next 90 * 100 = 9000 of those points got me to level 200.

The next 450 * 100 = 45000 of those points got me to level 300.

The next 900 * 100 = 90000 of those points got me to level 400.

The next 1350 * 100 = 135000 of those points got me to level 500.

The next 1800 * 100 = 180000 of those points got me to level 600.

The next 2250 * 100 = 225000 of those points got me to level 700.

The next 2700 * 100 = 270000 of those points got me to level 800.

The next 3150 * 100 = 315000 of those points got me to level 900.

 

After all of that, I have 1493340 - 315000 - 270000 - 225000 - 180000 - 135000 - 90000 - 45000 - 9000 - 5940 = 218400 points left over. Since ever level after 900 requires 3600 points per level up, I should have 218400/3600 = 60.66 extra levels. And indeed, I'm at level 960 and 66%.

Get this man a beer

[adhfighter]

I think new system is trash I feel as if it's a direct insult to the gamers that have put in the work to be a high trophy level and now we will still be capped out on levels seems completely pointless to raise trophy levels  nobody should be capped out instantly on new system everyone should be able to level up more 

[Squirlruler]

Not a fan, still think it is fucking retarded.

[MMDE]

29 minutes ago, Squirlruler said:

Not a fan, still think it is fucking retarded.

 

Hehe, some may dismiss our problems with this as just being against change or something, but at least for me it's not about raising everyone's level that is the issue, it's more how it doesn't fix anything, just boost existing issues. Many people still cap the PSN level, games without a platinum and DLC trophies are worth even less, while fast and easy platinums are rewarded even more.

 

I'm looking forward to the trophy progress change, but the platinum being worth more or not making it so people don't already max out the level cap were just bad changes. I don't care if everyone has higher level or not, whatever, but then at least make it so the cap is 9999 instead.

Edited October 8, 2020 by MMDE

[stupot00]

I was so close to level 100, now I'm at level 792. 

 

Time to grind to 1000

[WaddysWDS]

The real problem in this change is that none of the problems that previously existed are really solved, there are people who are still at the limit of the level, in fact most of the tops still have the official maximum level ... that is to say  was this change made to fix that problem?  or just to have heavier numbers and get attention?

Edited October 8, 2020 by WaddysWDS

[FawltyPowers]

What an absolutely pointless change (except for the EZPZ trophy hunters), thankfully they haven't messed with the trophy value of Gold, Silver and Bronze so completion remains intact.

 

Either change the level cap or change the structure completely.

 

EDIT: Sorry, the main reason I'm here is to thank @NathanielJohn for providing the new figures. Thank you.

 

FURTHER EDIT: Updated my spreadsheets, now at level 414 as per PSN

Edited October 8, 2020 by FawltyPowers