diskdocx Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, DividedByMankind said: Hope this is really true so we can get rid of the cheaters. Finally people have to do their games them selfs. And not cheat trophies! It's hilarious that you think this has anything to do with cheating. Sony doesn't care at all about trophy cheating. This is about Sony forcing more people to buy Plus if they want to back up their saves. And removing options to let them have any other method to do so. If anything, I would argue that this type of pay-walling of features encourages more people to use custom firmware options. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, diskdocx said: And removing options to let them have any other method to do so. But they haven't actually removed anything from the PS5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb5f Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I imagine it will be added in, sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post diskdocx Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, DaivRules said: But they haven't actually removed anything from the PS5. Semantics. You know what I mean. But fine, we can go with not enabling the previous functionality. I think the most logical expectation is that this will be patched in later. Otherwise Sony must have significant concerns about the console being vulnerable to an exploit. I assume the USB ports currently then are only for charging? It would be great if Sony did a better job communicating. So many perplexing decisions and the lack of transparency/engagement is very disappointing. I know a lot is being said about people whining, but if much of this had been presented to the community with a rationale and a forward plan presented, I think it would have been much better received. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FubarMind Posted November 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 11/7/2020 at 3:14 AM, TheUntold_Truth said: Perks For Playstation plus Online 2 free ps4 games, vita games, and now ps5 games Double discounts Extra room for saves playstation plus collection, and games will be added in the future. If your smart, this service is so benefital to a gamer!!!! When did gaming industry become this amount of shit show that putting Multiplayer, Cloud saves and "Discounts" behind a paywall is beneficial for gamers!? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav9834 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/heres-how-to-transfer-games-from-ps4-to-ps5/1100-6484130/ Can this be put to rest now There's multiple ways to transfer saves according to gamespot @Swotam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaRejectz Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 2020-11-06 at 9:09 AM, Swotam said: FYI, not the end of the world but something to be aware of if you like having more than one place to save scum. Looks like copying to USB isn’t an option for PS5 titles which means if you don’t subscribe to PS+ you can’t backup your saves outside of a full system backup. Obviously this introduces potential headaches for trophy hunters. This strikes me as more of a “get more people to pay for PS+“ decision that anything else. If Sony eliminates the unpaid options, then the paid option becomes the only choice and therefore more appealing? https://www.polygon.com/2020/11/6/21551875/ps5-save-data-backup-cloud-usb-storage Another reason I won't miss not getting a PS5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dav9834 said: https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/heres-how-to-transfer-games-from-ps4-to-ps5/1100-6484130/ Can this be put to rest now There's multiple ways to transfer saves according to gamespot @Swotam Your article is about PS4 saves. The thread topic is about backing up PS5 saves off the console via a means other than a Plus subscription. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dav9834 said: https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/heres-how-to-transfer-games-from-ps4-to-ps5/1100-6484130/ Can this be put to rest now There's multiple ways to transfer saves according to gamespot @Swotam No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav9834 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, DaivRules said: Your article is about PS4 saves. The thread topic is about backing up PS5 saves off the console via a means other than a Plus subscription. Ah ok, actually that puts me at ease at the moment. For some reason I remembered it being ps4 saves transfer to ps5 My bad, continue Though I do think this will be patched in day 1 if not within the first month. Hell no one knew about the ps5 remote play on ps4 and ps4 remote play on ps5. But I do think they should have sent out a tweet about the current situation for usb saves Edited November 10, 2020 by Dav9834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 9 hours ago, FubarMind said: When did gaming industry become this amount of shit show that putting Multiplayer, Cloud saves and "Discounts" behind a paywall is beneficial for gamers!? When massive billion dollar publishing companies and powerful corporations like Activision had a say in things. Sony and Microsoft are both on a race to the bottom, it seems. I guess my only real place for refuge anymore is casually playing games on Steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salarian00 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 If anything, they'll eventually just make it to where you can backup saves to the cloud for free. I have a feeling this was also done due to people using save editing programs and cheating their games. I'm not happy with cloud save though. I have been backing up my save data for years to a USB due to lost or corrupted save data. I liked having control of my hard earned work. I never trusted Cloud Storage. What if their servers go down or get lost?! I prefer backing them up and keeping them on my PC. I also make 2 backups in the event a drive dies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Salarian00 said: I have a feeling this was also done due to people using save editing programs and cheating their games. Why do you think this? Sony has given no indication about this direction in any of its history. Sony doesn’t take any action in any way toward cheating games using saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salarian00 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, DaivRules said: Why do you think this? Sony has given no indication about this direction in any of its history. Sony doesn’t take any action in any way toward cheating games using saves. When I go to other forums all I hear is people complaining about cheaters and save scumming. If you look at the recent Avengers game there are people that are way overpowered. So, somehow they are able to modify their game. For MK11, NRS made it to where all unlocked content has to have a server side authentication. They explained that it was due to people cheating/exploiting save data. So if you never connect to the internet or don't have access you can't earn anything in that game. So, I see that this may be 1 reason why Sony blocked PS5 save backup to USB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swotam Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 IMO it’s all about money. They’re a publicly traded company therefore their number one mission is to increase shareholder value by increasing revenue. If they limit the ability to backup save data and make this a “feature” of PS+ it will likely drive an increase in subscription numbers and revenue at the end of the day as there will inevitably be players who didn’t subscribe previously who will throw in the towel and pay. They did the same sort of thing with PS4 when PS+ became mandatory if you wanted to play online, and I expect they’ll continue to put console functionality behind the PS+ paywall going forward. I wouldn’t be surprised to see stuff like external drive support and other currently missing features become PS+ “exclusive” as services revenue is much more lucrative than hardware revenue. A customer will pay once to get a PS5, but if you can get them to pay for PS+ for years then that’s all gravy as the cost to provide these services is minimal compared to how much revenue they generate. I honestly don’t think Sony gives a crap about people fiddling around with game saves to get trophies or anything of that sort, beyond any activities that might compromise the console itself, and I don’t think that has anything to do with this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salarian00 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Swotam said: IMO it’s all about money. They’re a publicly traded company therefore their number one mission is to increase shareholder value by increasing revenue. If they limit the ability to backup save data and make this a “feature” of PS+ it will likely drive an increase in subscription numbers and revenue at the end of the day as there will inevitably be players who didn’t subscribe previously who will throw in the towel and pay. They did the same sort of thing with PS4 when PS+ became mandatory if you wanted to play online, and I expect they’ll continue to put console functionality behind the PS+ paywall going forward. I wouldn’t be surprised to see stuff like external drive support and other currently missing features become PS+ “exclusive” as services revenue is much more lucrative than hardware revenue. A customer will pay once to get a PS5, but if you can get them to pay for PS+ for years then that’s all gravy as the cost to provide these services is minimal compared to how much revenue they generate. I honestly don’t think Sony gives a crap about people fiddling around with game saves to get trophies or anything of that sort, beyond any activities that might compromise the console itself, and I don’t think that has anything to do with this change. I guess that makes sense. It just sucks that I can't backup my save data on my own terms. Maybe one day it'll change if there is enough backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Swotam said: If they limit the ability to backup save data and make this a “feature” of PS+ it will likely drive an increase in subscription numbers Will it though? This is going to be the thing that gets people who have gone through all of PS3 and PS4's history without Plus to throw in the towel and finally fork over that $5/mo? Save backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally-Vincent--- Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, DaivRules said: Will it though? This is going to be the thing that gets people who have gone through all of PS3 and PS4's history without Plus to throw in the towel and finally fork over that $5/mo? Save backup? It worked when they made online paid - that for buying the next console generation. Upgrade from PS3 to PS4 and pay more for the same. Went pretty well. Many gamers obviously pay for everything: DLC, game stacks, Microtransactions. They even say they get games "for free" when they rent them with their monthly subscription. Having said that, I doubt that this is SONY's intention, but who knows - should PSPlus numbers increase for save back-ups, it just might become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rally-Vincent--- said: It worked when they made online paid - that for buying the next console generation. Upgrade from PS3 to PS4 and pay more for the same. Went pretty well. Many gamers obviously pay for everything: DLC, game stacks, Microtransactions. They even say they get games "for free" when they rent them with their monthly subscription. But in that sense, paying to play online was a paywall to actually experience everything in the game. Exporting saves? Hardly equivalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally-Vincent--- Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, DaivRules said: But in that sense, paying to play online was a paywall to actually experience everything in the game. Exporting saves? Hardly equivalent. Equivalency depends on how you choose your parameters. A free feature of a former console isn't a feature of the new console anymore, unless you pay money for it. Sounds pretty equivalent practice to me, even if the subject is admittedly different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrago Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) This sucks, I've been locked away from PS+ features for years as my original account is from Spain, which I made back in the day when I lived there, now I live in the Americas, and buying anything from the Spain PS Store is a pain in the ass (and way more expensive), thus I use an American account to subscribe to PS+ in order to play online, but never was able to use the backup function on my main account, now this?? geez... thanks SONY gfys Edited November 10, 2020 by Fabrago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1138147 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) meh. the only thing i hate is people, so i can adapt. if you hate the modern gaming .stop. problem solved Edited November 10, 2020 by M1138147 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, M1138147 said: meh. the only thing i hate is people, so i can adapt. if you hate the modern gaming .stop. problem solved What does this have to do with people hating modern gaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1138147 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, Spaz said: What does this have to do with people hating modern gaming? if someone hate modern gaming and complaints about it and keep going back to the thing they hate it seems avoiding the solution such pointless negativity, whining and the likes are draining for me. I had depressions in the past so i cant bring myself to complain about something that bring me joy. no mater what. i just try stay positive but the sheer negativity in gaming is kind of depressing. so yeah one reason why i hate the community and i am fine with the rest. no offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, M1138147 said: if someone hate modern gaming and complaints about it and keep going back to the thing they hate it seems avoiding the solution such pointless negativity, whining and the likes are draining for me. I had depressions in the past so i cant bring myself to complain about something that bring me joy. no mater what. i just try stay positive but the sheer negativity in gaming is kind of depressing. so yeah one reason why i hate the community and i am fine with the rest. no offence. It’s nothing new. I’ve had to come to grips and accept it. While I don’t like much of what encompasses modern gaming today, I don’t think I can leave gaming altogether anytime soon, because I still enjoy gaming and going after trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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