Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted September 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, AJ_Radio said: Nintendo? When were they a serious competitor? The Nintendo 64 days? The Gamecube days? It's been so long since they really competed in the console race. They have really lagged behind it seems. Saying Nintendo is ‘lagging behind’ in the ‘console race’ is like seeing someone who happens to be walking past a track-and-field track while a marathon is in progress, and saying they are losing because the runners are in front of them. Nintendo is doing it’s own thing - it has not been in direct competition with Microsoft and Sony for decades. It doesn’t have to be. Sony and Microsoft are in competition for slices of the same audience. Nintendo has an audience all of it’s own. Yes, it happens to overlap some of the Sony/Microsoft audience sometimes, but not in a directly competitive way. Nintendo is the Pixar of Video Games. Yes, it helps when they get adults without kids to see their movies, but they will still do just fine - and often better than other entities - simply by serving thier own massive audience in isolation, and ignoring the fight entirely. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 This is old news to be honest and if there was going to be a backlash about it it would have happened already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, majob said: This is old news to be honest and if there was going to be a backlash about it it would have happened already. Just because it's old news, that doesn't make it any less shit. Besides, most of us only just found out this truth recently, so to us it's still new. I dare say many people still don't know about it. It's not like Sony are going to announce all the features they are taking away on their next system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alantor32 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 hours ago, AJ_Radio said: It's funny how the pendulum has swung the other way. Seems to be a see saw at this point between two corporate giants, Sony & Microsoft. Steam was never a proper competitor, it was always its own thing. Nintendo? When were they a serious competitor? The Nintendo 64 days? The Gamecube days? It's been so long since they really competed in the console race. They have really lagged behind it seems. Back to topic, I still think Sony is getting too far ahead of themselves. Their treatment of Japanese developers and them having to censor shit just to get their games released on Sony platforms is disgusting. The fact you cannot back up saves via USB on a PS5 is worrisome, because you must do it on PS Cloud and that is online only. For as long as I can remember I have always liked to keep physical backups whenever possible. If the service goes down, or if something goes haywire, then you can be fucked. The digital world is not looking so good. Technology is not infallible. I can't stress this enough. And it's utterly unbelievable how many people in this world today fail to realize that. One day your account may be banned, making that entire digital library of yours virtually inaccessible. Seeing auto popped trophy lists by transferring saves from PS4 to PS5 for a multitude of games doesn't bother me as much as what Sony has been doing. Never mind that the PS5 itself is selling for over $800 on Amazon. I've looked everywhere else I could think of. You're either paying an arm and a leg for the PS5, or you're just going to have to sit it out for a while, as I'm sure a majority of us trophy hunters are still doing. The Nintendo Switch would like a word with you about comptition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakk55 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 9 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Saying Nintendo is ‘lagging behind’ in the ‘console race’ is like seeing someone who happens to be walking past a track-and-field track while a marathon is in progress, and saying they are losing because the runners are in front of them. Nintendo is doing it’s own thing - it has not been in direct competition with Microsoft and Sony for decades. It doesn’t have to be. Sony and Microsoft are in competition for slices of the same audience. Nintendo has an audience all of it’s own. Yes, it happens to overlap some of the Sony/Microsoft audience sometimes, but not in a directly competitive way. Nintendo is the Pixar of Video Games. Yes, it helps when they get adults without kids to see their movies, but they will still do just fine - and often better than other entities - simply by serving thier own massive audience in isolation, and ignoring the fight entirely. Your post reminded me of this. You got a point, it seems that the companies bounce back and forth on quality and services while Nintendo is more than happy to mind its own business with its own customer base. It seems that Sony had forgotten why people chose the PS3/PS4 over their Microsoft counterparts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinhoN Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Sendai-Horatio said: I'm pretty sure there's no current USB support is because it's due to the fact that SSD drives can cause issues with non-SSD drives and USB sticks. If someone tries installing a game on a regular USB stick or hard drive like you could with the PS4 and then try to get it to run on the PS5 it would wreck the drive. The PS5 is configured to run only SSDs, so anything else would wind up being ruined if it's an external source. That doesn't make any sense having computer hardware knowledge on a more lower-level (lower meaning closer to the circuitry). No USB save support is simply to force people to pay for PS Plus subscription disguising as "ooooh we're trying to avoid cheaters". Now, running games from USB drive will never be available on PS5 not because "it wrecks the drive", it's simply a matter that games depending on fast loading from the standardized SSD would not run properly from a external HDD. If it was possible to try running we would see stuff breaking at the software level: missing textures, games freezing, ridiculously long loads (as most PS5 games uses more compressed data due to how quick it is to decompress in real time for example), some quickly-triggered events breaking the flow of the game (on games such as Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, even though some tech people claim it would be doable even in HDD era, but that's irrelevant to the point here). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDGES Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 so like xbox worked for almost a decade and switch works for 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Saying Nintendo is ‘lagging behind’ in the ‘console race’ is like seeing someone who happens to be walking past a track-and-field track while a marathon is in progress, and saying they are losing because the runners are in front of them. Nintendo is doing it’s own thing - it has not been in direct competition with Microsoft and Sony for decades. It doesn’t have to be. Sony and Microsoft are in competition for slices of the same audience. Nintendo has an audience all of it’s own. Yes, it happens to overlap some of the Sony/Microsoft audience sometimes, but not in a directly competitive way. Nintendo is the Pixar of Video Games. Yes, it helps when they get adults without kids to see their movies, but they will still do just fine - and often better than other entities - simply by serving thier own massive audience in isolation, and ignoring the fight entirely. Nintendo directly competed with the others in the console race. That's something we haven't seen since the GameCube days. Starting with the Wii back in 2006, Shigeru Miyamoto wanted his product to cater to a more casual audience, hence the motion control and sensor. Sony & Microsoft are basically the 'big boys who matured past the Pixar like quality', although Ratchet & Clank is an exception because that greatly appeals to kids and teens. The audience grew up. Nintendo appeals to children just like it did 20 - 30 years ago. Sony & Microsoft however, they're virtually unrecognizable now compared to what they were 20 years ago. Nintendo still has that appeal, but they lack a number of modern conveniences. They always dragged behind when it came to online gameplay, although they have improved considerably since the Wii days when you had to input a Wii friend code just to play with your buddies online, which was a royal pain in the ass. Nintendo has ignored the console race since the Wii days, and that's perhaps a good thing, considering all the political bullcrap and drama surrounding the gaming industry today. Edited September 5, 2021 by AJ_Radio adding some words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sendai-Horatio Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, AJ_Radio said: Nintendo directly competed with the others in the console race. That's something we haven't seen since the GameCube days. Starting with the Wii back in 2006, Shigeru Miyamoto wanted his product to cater to a more casual audience, hence the motion control and sensor. Sony & Microsoft are basically the 'big boys who matured past the Pixar like quality', although Ratchet & Clank is an exception because that greatly appeals to kids and teens. The audience grew up. Nintendo appeals to children just like it did 20 - 30 years ago. Sony & Microsoft however, they're virtually unrecognizable now compared to what they were 20 years ago. Nintendo still has that appeal, but they lack a number of modern conveniences. They always dragged behind when it came to online gameplay, although they have improved considerably since the Wii days when you had to input a Wii friend code just to play with your buddies online, which was a royal pain in the ass. Nintendo has ignored the console race since the Wii days, and that's perhaps a good thing, considering all the political bullcrap and drama surrounding the gaming industry today. Dude Nintendo has been directly competing since the NES days there never was a console generation they didn't compete in. They absolutely blundered with the wii-u, and the wii they just left it on auto pilot after launch. You're just having more people become aware of Nintendo's back catalog because they have not touched a Nintendo system in decades. People going "Nintendo never cared about graphics or machine power" are dead wrong, the N64 did 3d better than the PS1 and the Gamecube tried to capitalize on that but the library to the Gamecube was very weak and didn't have the software that matched up to the PS2. The Gamecube was when it was shown that first party titles couldn't carry them alone and the brand wasn't that strong among the general population. Gamecube hardware rotted on shelves even after steep discounts. The wii-u being a failure was directly tied to them relying on gimmicks and motion controls that ruined more games than they helped. Edited September 5, 2021 by Sendai-Horatio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 15 hours ago, enaysoft said: Just because it's old news, that doesn't make it any less shit. Besides, most of us only just found out this truth recently, so to us it's still new. I dare say many people still don't know about it. It's not like Sony are going to announce all the features they are taking away on their next system. This is honestly a case where ignorance after nearly a year just doesn't merit attention. This was news was released nearly at launch and considering the fever pitch around the console at the time the information was easy to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, majob said: This is honestly a case where ignorance after nearly a year just doesn't merit attention. This was news was released nearly at launch and considering the fever pitch around the console at the time the information was easy to get. Sorry about that mate. I must have been asleep when the other 7.6 billion people of the world were at fever pitch and reading the PS5 news. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Head Cthulhu Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 This is one on many reasons I have not purchased a Switch or a PS5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMErickson Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 22 hours ago, enaysoft said: Yeah this worries me about Vita too, and the fact that if I don't subscribe to PSPlus it or miss a month, I lose all my Vita saves, AND all my PS3 and Vita free games on PSPlus for 5 years. It feels like blackmail. "Nice subscription you got there, would be a shame if something happened to all your data, keep paying that protection money!" It does sound bad. Any chance there’s a grace period before you lose all your saves? Like, they are in the cloud for a certain amount of days once the subscription ends and you will have them all back if renew quickly? Considering it’s the only way to backup saves it seems wrong to just delete all saves the moment the Plus subscription ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, NMErickson said: It does sound bad. Any chance there’s a grace period before you lose all your saves? Like, they are in the cloud for a certain amount of days once the subscription ends and you will have them all back if renew quickly? Considering it’s the only way to backup saves it seems wrong to just delete all saves the moment the Plus subscription ends. Yes, there seems to be an infinite grace period, barring the recent snafu of people mysteriously losing access to their previous plus titles and then just as mysteriously gaining them back. People have unsubscribed from Plus and up to years later resubscribed and had access to their plus titles and saves again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMErickson Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, DaivRules said: Yes, there seems to be an infinite grace period, barring the recent snafu of people mysteriously losing access to their previous plus titles and then just as mysteriously gaining them back. People have unsubscribed from Plus and up to years later resubscribed and had access to their plus titles and saves again. That’s somewhat reassuring. Would hate to forget to renew for a day or two then lose the saves (I’m just concerned for the saves, not the Plus titles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I’m still putting this issue in my assumed de-prioritization while they build out this new OS from scratch and still have quite a few stability issues before these minor issues. No one at Sony has made any public comment yet about why this hasn’t been implemented on PS5, regardless of the claims made in this thread as to excuses why it’s not a feature so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 5 hours ago, enaysoft said: Sorry about that mate. I must have been asleep when the other 7.6 billion people of the world were at fever pitch and reading the PS5 news. You're still looking for an excuse for ignorance and it doesn't work that way. You don't have to obsess over something in order to be informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 15 hours ago, majob said: You're still looking for an excuse for ignorance and it doesn't work that way. You don't have to obsess over something in order to be informed. Ignorance is when people are discussing a legitimate issue and then someone jumps in for no reason saying it's somehow not a problem, because it's old news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, Sendai-Horatio said: Dude Nintendo has been directly competing since the NES days there never was a console generation they didn't compete in. They absolutely blundered with the wii-u, and the wii they just left it on auto pilot after launch. You're just having more people become aware of Nintendo's back catalog because they have not touched a Nintendo system in decades. People going "Nintendo never cared about graphics or machine power" are dead wrong, the N64 did 3d better than the PS1 and the Gamecube tried to capitalize on that but the library to the Gamecube was very weak and didn't have the software that matched up to the PS2. The Gamecube was when it was shown that first party titles couldn't carry them alone and the brand wasn't that strong among the general population. Gamecube hardware rotted on shelves even after steep discounts. The wii-u being a failure was directly tied to them relying on gimmicks and motion controls that ruined more games than they helped. Their approach is completely different in contrast to Sony and Microsoft. Both Sony and Microsoft focus on the modern 4K, 60 FPS blockbuster graphical vistas that they're so obsessed about, whereas Nintendo has always kept true to their roots. There are kids playing Mario now just like we played Mario back in the day. Sure, the Switch is underpowered and doesn't even have an achievement system implemented, but that is perhaps best for Nintendo. I don't want another Sony or Microsoft like competitor in the console race. The Wii wasn't bad at all, but it signaled a different direction in Nintendo's history. Older people may argue that the N64 was the start of the decline because Nintendo stuck with cartridges, which were incapable of providing FMV like the PS1. Capcom, Square Enix and Konami all jumped ship to PlayStation and benefited greatly. The Gamecube was vastly underpowered, which meant that Nintendo had to stick to their exclusives like the long running Mario Kart franchise and the Metroid franchise. I still remember the Gamecube, Super Smash Bros Melee was the LAST game in the Gamecube library to still be sold in retail stores, before the console went off the map for good. Nintendo's handheld market has kept them afloat all these years. If it wasn't for those handhelds, gaming history as we know it could very well be different. Nintendo knows they can't compete with Sony or Microsoft in terms of raw processing power. The last time they were able to compete on that front was the N64 days. That was a pretty long time ago. Edited September 6, 2021 by AJ_Radio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 You know how people say "Oh I'm gonna google it". Google are so huge now that google has become a word in the English language, for the concept of searching. that's how big they are. There's no denying Nintendo has fallen from grace. They're still a big hitter of course. In the 80s and 90s, parents used to say "Oh are you playing on Nintendo Jonny?" to refer to a game console. Back then playing games was heavily associated with Nintendo. To the extent where parents would call playing games as playing on Nintendo. Even if you were playing on Sega Genesis or something else, parents would refer it as the Nintendo. Before that, it was Atari. That's not the case now. Arguably Sony has more of a presence than Nintendo in the home, but of course that's likely because everyone originally knows Sony from TVs and Walkman so they had a bit of a head start as being a recognisable brand name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majob Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 19 hours ago, enaysoft said: Ignorance is when people are discussing a legitimate issue and then someone jumps in for no reason saying it's somehow not a problem, because it's old news. You're putting words in my mouth because I never claimed it wasn't a problem but that's subjective anyway because not everyone feels the same way you do on the issue. The point is that this is complaining about something that happened almost a year ago and if it were truly a sore point it would have been addressed by now considering how quickly internet outrage forms typically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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