Sony temp banning users who buy Plus Collection from Sellers

[Kishnabe]

https://www.gamerbraves.com/psn-accounts-are-getting-banned-for-borrowing-ps5-access/

 

https://gamingph.com/2020/11/sony-allegedly-banned-players-who-claim-ps-plus-collection-from-another-persons-ps5/amp/

 

 

 

I think you are safe if you got it from a friend/family who didn't help 10+ people.

 

If you bought off Ebay, you might be getting a 2 month temp ban.

 

The sellers are getting Perma Banned.

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Kishnabe

[sh4d0wzcs]

Thats fucked, but I understand why they went so hard. People shouldn't profit from what's sony is giving away for free to PS5 owners.

 

This can also be a bit worrisome for those that have multiple region accounts for different store trophy stacks as we could be next...

[Kishnabe]

21 minutes ago, sh4d0wzcs said:

Thats fucked, but I understand why they went so hard. People shouldn't profit from what's sony is giving away for free to PS5 owners.

 

This can also be a bit worrisome for those that have multiple region accounts for different store trophy stacks as we could be next...

 

Don't think they will come after Region Accounts. They can see that only one-two console ID per a platform is using it.

 

It would be a stupid move. Sony is getting money from region trophy stacks....would be against their best interests.

[Shadiochao]

31 minutes ago, Kishnabe said:

It would be a stupid move. Sony is getting money from region trophy stacks....would be against their best interests.

 

They might also be losing money from people buying stuff from a cheaper region, though.

[Shizo]

It's stupid, that they lock those games behind PS5 in the first place, when both PS4 and PS5 owners paying same amount for PS+.

 

I have PS5 and I wouldn't mind if PS4 users would have access to PS Plus Collection. Once again, bullshit and arrogant decision from Sony. Microsoft doesn't lock parts of Game Pass exclusively to Series X|S.

 

The bans just seem petty and overreaction.

[thefourfoldroot]

While creating a business out of it is distasteful, Sony only have themselves to blame. Hopefully Sony are doing it under the “not for commercial purposes” clause, and won’t, for example, ban a long time customer for letting his brother redeem said games.

[Cryogenicide_X]

8 hours ago, sh4d0wzcs said:

Thats fucked, but I understand why they went so hard. People shouldn't profit from what's sony is giving away for free to PS5 owners.

 

This can also be a bit worrisome for those that have multiple region accounts for different store trophy stacks as we could be next...

I made a thread about people with multiple region accounts as to whether you can be banned for it. If Sony goes after people who've done that then it looks like I was right. 

[danielc655]

I was doing reading into this and had no idea what the plus collection even was, considering the ps5 is that crap right now they have to give away free ps4 games but those who wanted them via buying are getting banned? 

 

Yeah nah that's total bullshit in all honesty.

[Maaden_Swe]

I dont get it, why buy it if you dont have a Ps5. When you do get a Ps5 you will get access to the games. This is not a temporary thing. They have even said they will add more games later on. 

[DarthRevan182]

7 hours ago, Shadiochao said:

 

They might also be losing money from people buying stuff from a cheaper region, though.

 

Maybe, but its stuff people probably wouldn't buy at full price.

[seblegamer]

7 minutes ago, Maaden_Swe said:

I dont get it, why buy it if you dont have a Ps5. When you do get a Ps5 you will get access to the games. This is not a temporary thing. They have even said they will add more games later on. 

 

When you add those games to your library from a PS5, you can download the games on your ps4, so those people probably just want to access all those games now on their ps4, instead of waiting months (years ?) before they will get their own ps5  

[GizMo_The_Great]

46 minutes ago, danielc655 said:

I was doing reading into this and had no idea what the plus collection even was, considering the ps5 is that crap right now they have to give away free ps4 games but those who wanted them via buying are getting banned? 

 

Yeah nah that's total bullshit in all honesty.

I’m not entirely sure where you got this idea that the PS5 is crap from. I’m very impressed with mine. Are you referencing the console itself, or the specific games currently available? 

 

Further to the idea that the PS+ collection is an incentive to buy PS5, I’d have to disagree somewhat. We are talking about 20 games, games that a lot of people have played.

 

I don’t think Sony have any delusions about how much this offer incentivises people to buy a new console. I think it’s just a nice little bonus, I highly doubt anyone is rushing to buy a PS5 just for this collection.

 

As for the bans, I don’t think it’s completely fair to ban the people buying them. It’s really all down to an oversight by Sony.

 

What they should have done from the start is require you to enter your consoles serial number to redeem the collection. With one redemption per console. Or included the collection as a redeemable code within the PS5 box. They could also have made it so the games only remain playable while you have a PS5 console as an active primary on your account. Remove that primary console and the games lock up.
 

If they didn’t want people taking advantage, they shouldn’t have made it so easy to do so.

 

That being said, I do support some form of enforcement action against buyers and sellers. I think revoking the games for buyers, and a temp ban for sellers would be less harsh. Especially since there’s no warnings anywhere that you cannot share the collection. Sure you would think it is implied, and I’m assuming they likely did mention it somewhere in a long list of terms that nobody ever reads. But Sony are not stupid, they should have known that people would do this, and if they wanted to, they could have easily avoided it, or placed a clear warning not to share them.

 

The part that concerns me is, the more people take advantage, the more likely it is that Sony will change how licences work. With people buying and sharing accounts so much, Sony could simply choose to eventually lock games to a single account. No more region stacks, and no more sharing games between consoles. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by GizMo_The_Great

[colia100]

Personally i agree with Sony, and would go farther that they should even console ban the sellers and perma account ban the buyers

 

It is because of such practices that everybody gets punished in the end, making it so such good deals will be taken off the shelf because of a few rotten apples that can't adhere to the rules.

 

These are free games with apparently no time limit, so if you cant wait for a ps5, buy them on ps4, or stop making trouble for the rest of us. And then we all moan about why we never get free shit anymore.

 

Good riddance i say...

[arcanehornet_]

Never mind this, I’m surprised they haven’t removed gamesharing completely. 

[TazDevilz1986]

Oh damn that's dumb by Sony, because than Sony should ban users that doing trophies for people for money on their accounts (which i do from time to time, not lying about this) and sell games on accounts that are delisted. I was actually gonna ask a close friend on PSN claim those games on my account. I guess i will change my mind now.

[Sikutai]

1 hour ago, Cryogenicide_X said:

I made a thread about people with multiple region accounts as to whether you can be banned for it. If Sony goes after people who've done that then it looks like I was right. 

 

Of course they can ban these accounts. I always wrote they don't do it now, but they will in 5, 10 or 20 years.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Sikutai

[Sergen]

Until Sony can give every country in the world their own option to sign up for PSN or use a PSN store, they shouldn't ban people for using multi-region accounts. On top of that, when a game is only released in 1 region and not others they shouldn't be surprised that people will circumvent this and buy the game by creating another account for that region. South Africa is the only African country that can sign up for PSN, do they expect the other 53 countries in Africa to go without PSN because of their TOS? These articles specify how people are selling the opportunity to redeem the PS+ collection games, of course that is an offense that warrants a ban and I guess it'd be suspicious when the same console logs into other people's accounts countless times and the only thing they do is redeem the PS+ collection, your console logs are sent to Sony for them to review and this would definitely be a red flag to them if they pay attention to your activity. I can say that it'd probably liberate me to be banned from PSN, I'd gladly move on and play PC games and sell all my systems if Sony decides to ban me after my years of using their platforms. They've been extremely anti-consumer recently from removing PS3 and vita from the web store on PSN to requiring you to own a PS5 to claim things from PS+, a lot of people who wanted a PS5 didn't have the time to pre-order it when they kept being sold out in seconds and websites that had more stock were crashing due to the high volume of visitors.

[Evil_Joker88]

Reading the second article with an updated paragraph they say it's not because someone bought the ps+ collection many times but because there are 50 or more accounts on one console. I'm surprised it's that many i couldn't put more than 16 on my ps4. And it seems ok if you help a friend or two to get the collection, they talk about many more accounts being shared over the internet and some people really seem desperate to get those games even without a ps5 on their own so they pay someone and give away their login data?

[Sergen]

Just now, Evil_Joker88 said:

Reading the second article with an updated paragraph they say it's not because someone bought the ps+ collection many times but because there are 50 or more accounts on one console. I'm surprised it's that many i couldn't put more than 16 on my ps4. And it seems ok if you help a friend or two to get the collection, they talk about many more accounts being shared over the internet and some people really seem desperate to get those games even without a ps5 on their own so they pay someone and give away their login data?

 

I'm guessing the limit would still be 16, I've not tried that out yet, but after the account has been used on the PS5 you could delete the user that was associated with the account to make room for more accounts.

[GizMo_The_Great]

19 minutes ago, Sergen said:

Until Sony can give every country in the world their own option to sign up for PSN or use a PSN store, they shouldn't ban people for using multi-region accounts. On top of that, when a game is only released in 1 region and not others they shouldn't be surprised that people will circumvent this and buy the game by creating another account for that region. South Africa is the only African country that can sign up for PSN, do they expect the other 53 countries in Africa to go without PSN because of their TOS? These articles specify how people are selling the opportunity to redeem the PS+ collection games, of course that is an offense that warrants a ban and I guess it'd be suspicious when the same console logs into other people's accounts countless times and the only thing they do is redeem the PS+ collection, your console logs are sent to Sony for them to review and this would definitely be a red flag to them if they pay attention to your activity. I can say that it'd probably liberate me to be banned from PSN, I'd gladly move on and play PC games and sell all my systems if Sony decides to ban me after my years of using their platforms. They've been extremely anti-consumer recently from removing PS3 and vita from the web store on PSN to requiring you to own a PS5 to claim things from PS+, a lot of people who wanted a PS5 didn't have the time to pre-order it when they kept being sold out in seconds and websites that had more stock were crashing due to the high volume of visitors.

 

 

I wouldn’t expect Sony to have plans to stop account creation and use in different regions until they gave people the ability to change the region of their account. 
 

The world is a much smaller place these days, and people move to other countries often. You need the ability to be able to access different stores. My account is a UK account, but if I move to the USA, I would have to use a USA account to purchase dlc for any physical games I purchased. Same with purchasing any digital games since they don’t allow you to purchase games with a bank card from other regions.

 

So unless they want to prevent people from taking their accounts with them if they move country, I doubt anything will ever stop multi-region creation or sharing. Unless they finally add the ability to change your accounts region.

Edited November 27, 2020 by GizMo_The_Great

[ars]

7 minutes ago, GizMo_The_Great said:

I wouldn’t expect Sony to have plans to stop account creation and use in different regions until they gave people the ability to change the region of their account. 

 

That's not going to happen. Apart from software licensing and legislation changing between every country, being able to edit your credentials like birthdate and country of origin is a free pass for identity theft and credit fraud.

[Maaden_Swe]

1 hour ago, seblegamer said:

 

When you add those games to your library from a PS5, you can download the games on your ps4, so those people probably just want to access all those games now on their ps4, instead of waiting months (years ?) before they will get their own ps5  

 

Aaaah, make sense, thanks  

[Cleggworth]

Yeah if you read the article its not banning players for redeeming the ps plus collection without a PS5 in the hope of forcing people to buy a PS5. Sounds like its an automated process to stop hacking, what else is the system supposed to do when theres that many logins coming from the same machine?

[MRR---OFFICIAL]

Man I got Super worried until I saw the whole people are charging others to do this etc. I just had a friend of mine in the United States who luckily got his hands on a PS5 (lucky bastard ?) to Log In on my account (I'm in Australia) to redeem these games for me... To be fair as well at least half of these I already owned anyway from PS Plus over the Years and a few through purchase Digitally (and some Physically as well actually like Uncharted 4... Some even BOTH from PS Plus and Physically like The Last Guardian etc. etc.)

 

I agree with another comment (probably multiple) in here that say how it's BS we are paying the SAME AMOUNT for PS Plus yet we can't access these games as well, very unfair on Sony's part imo So I can't get these games unless I go pay some dude on Ebay like $1500+ for a PS5 huh Sony? Fuck you to the moon buddy ? ? 

[fenris-lima]

1 hour ago, Sikutai said:

 

Of course they can ban these accounts. I always wrote they don't do it now, but they will in 5, 10 or 20 years.

You are forgetting that people have the option to physically move between countries while there is no option to update the psn address. I used to live in the UK and moved to Brazil, I will not start a new acctg and loose all my trophies just because I moved, but I needed a BR account to buy new games. This is also very common in Europe since most countries allow freedom of movement and even the stores being in the same region, they have different rules and currency, like Germany banned games and UK GBP.