Why are so many people complaining about easy platinum games

[ScottishNub]

This is a legit question to the people who don't like these £4 sub 30 minute platinums.

I've seen countless fourms of people complaining and having a hissy fit over certain games and want playstation to do something about easy platinums and stacks. 

I don't understand why people complain as it doesn't affect the other platinums and the "value" and the trophy system.

So easy games have always been a thing but more prominent on the ps4 with the ratta games these games don't really devalue platinums as much as people think as if people only played "hard" games or long games they won't be impressive anymore just another easy game.

And even playstation exlusives are easy both spiderman games god of war 4 last of us 2 astro bot horizon zero dawn.

 And people don't complain about the playstation exlusives.

So why do these people have to constantly judge the games people play 

It seems dumb to and i just can't understand this.

 

So please explain this 

(Please don't fight each other in the reply section and hopefully this forum doesn't get locked)

[iGGTheEnd]

Because people complain about literally everything.

[Draps-1337]

It's certainly an interesting stand that people take on the topic. If I was to take a shot at why it might annoy some people, is that in order to participate and compete on the leaderboards in any capacity, you need to buy and play these games. They often suck or are very average and can be done in a very short amount of time <1 hour of which someone could complete 30 of them before another person completed Spiderman. Giving and inequality of points for time spent. (The same argument as people indicating it artificially inflates your Trophy Level)

 

I would also like to hear other people take on this.
For me, I think I would enjoy competing on the Leaderboard. But the time & money commitment required and starting hunting in the ps4 generation have put me at such a disadvantage in a cumulative scoring system this site uses.

[MidnightDragon]

Just play what you wanna play. Damn the leaderboards, I say. I know there will always be people higher up than me and others lower than me. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by MidnightDragon

[AusLeviathan]

50 minutes ago, ScottishNub said:

And even playstation exlusives are easy both spiderman games god of war 4 last of us 2 astro bot horizon zero dawn.

And people don't complain about the playstation exlusives.

I think you'll find that people do complain about easy Playstation exclusives, in particular the fact that you can get the platinum trophy in them by usually playing on the easiest difficulty, which means anyone can do it. I mean AAA games often include a story level difficulty where it's almost impossible to die.

 

Why complain about short and easy platinum trophies? For the same reason that people complain about the movement that society has taken to reward mediocrity. When I was a kid 15 years ago I came fourth place in a race and I got nothing, now you come tenth place and you'll get a ribbon. We're creating a world where no one is allowed to fail and if they do we tell them that's okay you still succeeded. The Incredibles said it best 'When everyone is special, no one will be", that's where we're heading.

 

Now for Playstation trophies it doesn't really matter that much, getting to the top of the leaderboard only means something to you and no one else really cares that you've done it. Where I draw the line is companies taking advantage of people by selling them the sort of games that used to be common as free flash games which effectively amounts to them selling people trophies. I have the same problem with the more mainstream pay to win ideas that game developers introduce.

[Reinachii-]

Because they make platinum trophies a participation award. I may be mistaken, but they also removed trophy rarity % from ps5?

 

It becomes

You have 500 plats!! Wowowowowow! ....But, all are "ezpz"

Vs. 

You only have 100 plats... pretty low...

...But all are hard/time consuming etc...

 

Even Sony exclusives are really easy recently. Good marketing!

They stick anything that may be difficult into DLC. That way everyone can get a plat and win! Yey

Edited December 1, 2020 by Reinachii-

[ladynadiad]

I think it really boils down to jealousy.  I definitely saw this with the advent of the achievement spam games on Steam.  A few years back on Steam there was a rise of games that would give 1000s of achievements in a matter of hours and would very much pad achievement counts.  A lot of people got mad about this and said it devalued achievements.  What they really meant was that the stat for achievement count doesn't mean as much.  What took many people years to earn could be earned in a single day due to these games.  I have just over 12k achievements earned on Steam.  3 achievement spam games can net that many achievements in less than a day.  What took me years to earn now seems like a low amount compared to many other people's profiles.

 

While it's not nearly as bad on PSN since Sony has kept to a pretty strict upwards limit on the max XP a game can give, it's a similar principle.  Since easy plats mean someone can get another plat in less time, it means they can reach milestones that used to take years to get in a matter of weeks or months.  Go look at the plats in 2020 topic, the creator of that topic is just shy of 100 plats earned this year.  100 plats used to be a pretty major milestone that would take years to earn, now it's doable in a year.  I joined this site back in 2016 and had under 20 plats then.  Now I'm getting close to 200 plats and nearly half of all my plats were earned just this year.  I can definitely see why it could make some people who have been trophy hunting for far longer and have a similar number of plats and trophies would be upset and want to come up with some way to feel better about their profiles. 

 

The other thing that could play a part is low self-esteem.  People who have a low self-esteem tend to try and raise themselves by lowering others around them.  On a site like this, trying to judge people's trophy quality is one way to do this.  The idea here is to make others look bad so they look better to the people around them.  Sadly it very rarely helps, but it is indeed a defense mechanism that exists in many.  I can even think of a few users who very likely fall into this category, though I'm not going to name any names here.  If they don't already realize it, the chances of them admitting to it and doing anything about it are slim anyhow.

[Reinachii-]

22 minutes ago, ladynadiad said:

I think it really boils down to jealousy. 

 

You actually think this? 

You have more plats than me, and a higher %. But, i feel no jealousy...

Maybe I am in denial?

[LoveInHell]

I agree. You can’t compare easy plats like God of War 2018, The Last of Us, Astro Bot etc. to Ratalaika plats tho, lol. God of War etc. are easy plats yes but amazing games and it takes hours to complete it and you get a feel for the characters. Ratalaika games on the other hand can be completed in 30 minutes and it doesn’t require you to even complete the game sometimes, others like My Name is Mayo is just pressing x and thats it. But for people to make such a big deal out of it is funny to me now.

 

There are tons of interesting topics on here and people choose to discuss, have a whole internet war, on a forum post about easy plats. X’D I can’t help but laugh at these people, they obviously got nothing better to do.

 

I mean it was pretty recent a forumpost sky rocketed to almost 400 replies in 2 days cause of easy plats, thats insane.

[Slava]

IMO it's not jealosy. If I want to compare my profile with someone's profile full of trash plats with easy trophies, I just adjust it in my mind. If the plat count is the same, but all the games are ratalaika or whatever, I just think I'm better regardless of the leaderboard position, and that's it. My thing is that I like looking at other people's profiles for fun, to see what other trophy hunters play. But it becomes somewhat annoying when you're looking at a 300 plat profile and you're trying to figure out if this list is good. In 2016 you could say a 300 plat profile is good. Now you can't. I guess this comes down to laziness more than anything, because now you have to scroll through the list.

 

The main reason most people complain about trophies (which I do not share of course) IMO is this. Many people here would never spend money on trash games or 10 minute plats. And it bugs them when other people do. It hurts knowing other person could've spent the money differently, like buy one good game instead of 20 rata stacks. So they have to tell these people that they spend their money wrong. The funny part about this is that we've seen two cases recently where the person who starts this kind of topic has Mayo on their list. So you could say there is the personal regret that is added on top of what I described. Learning to not care about how other people spend their money solves this problem.

 

Edit: Ok, maybe not the main reason, but at least one of them.

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Alderriz

[ladynadiad]

2 hours ago, Reinachii- said:

 

You actually think this? 

You have more plats than me, and a higher %. But, i feel no jealousy...

Maybe I am in denial?

 

I'm not saying jealousy that so and so has more than they do.  What I'm saying is that it would be more like being upset that I have more plats and a better completion when I've only been actively trophy hunting for half the time you have and got my first trophy over a year after you.  At the time I joined PSNP and started more actively trophy hunting I had 13 plats and you had 68 plats.  The jealousy I speak of is more along the lines of "this person was able to get the same/more plats and trophies than I did in less time, that's not fair"

 

Maybe jealousy isn't quite the right word for it, but I can't really think of another way to describe the exact feeling where your accomplishments seem to feel lesser somehow because someone else got there in less time by taking the easy route.  It's something that can happen in many places in life because many things aren't fair and attach a similar weight to two things that are not equal.

[Arcesius]

I can think of a few reasons... some minor ones, such as: 

• Being tired of only seeing 2 games in the "New Trophy Lists" section because both games release with 6 stacks each which take up all the spots. 
• Being tired of the constant "trophy thoughts" and "video guide" spam threads for games that require absolutely no guide whatsoever, and for which the trophies are so straightforward that you have to wonder how people can actually have thoughts on them. 
• Browsing a profile searching for a specific game is kinda difficult, especially since the search function also seems not to work when the profile exceeds a couple of hundreds of games (not so unusual anymore). 
• The topics on these forums have changed, at least as far as I can tell. The focus these days seems to be much more on the "easy platinum" or "game-breaking exploit" side of things and less about "this game is amazing". Recent example? Hollow Knight... free on PS+.. yet the only thread that has had any activity is the "Invincibility Glitch" one. Nobody talking about how gorgeous the game is, about its amazing soundtrack.. nothing... only "how early can I use this exploit?". 
  That's indirectly a consequence of the easy games. Plats and rankings matter, not much else. 

and some major reasons that actually have quite the impact on this hobby:

• They changed the way the leaderboard is played. Newer trophy hunters join the game now that the influx of trophy whoring games is pretty constant, so they actively decide now that they wanna play the leaderboards well knowing what needs to be done to climb them. People that were fighting for high ranks a couple of years ago, were playing differently back then and now need to play these endless stacks to keep up what they started years ago. Their hobby, resp. their competition has changed. 
• The publishers are capitalizing on addiction. 

 

Personally, since I don't care about leaderboards, I don't really complain much about the easy games. I complain more about this topic being discussed over, and over, and over, and over again, to the point where I don't feel like being as active here as when I joined. But I can see how people that joined the leaderboard-game when it was different are pissed. 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Arcesius

[Reinachii-]

14 minutes ago, ladynadiad said:

 

I'm not saying jealousy that so and so has more than they do.  What I'm saying is that it would be more like being upset that I have more plats and a better completion when I've only been actively trophy hunting for half the time you have and got my first trophy over a year after you.  At the time I joined PSNP and started more actively trophy hunting I had 13 plats and you had 68 plats.  The jealousy I speak of is more along the lines of "this person was able to get the same/more plats and trophies than I did in less time, that's not fair"

 

 

It really depends on the person. We should be careful not to group all into one. 

Personally, I couldn't care if someone has more plats than me, or a higher % if the games they play took 0 skill or time. 

 

In the case of someone with a "better" acc than me (based solely on my own criteria) I look at what i am missing, and when I will start it. 

Always Quality over Quantity...

 

[ScottishNub]

11 hours ago, Draps-1337 said:

I would also like to hear other people take on this.
For me, I think I would enjoy competing on the Leaderboard. But the time & money commitment required and starting hunting in the ps4 generation have put me at such a disadvantage in a cumulative scoring system this site uses.

The leaderboards are fun but it honestly boils down to the biggest bank account and having the most time once you hit a certain spot. I would like if psnp had leaderboards like truetrophies splitting it into different categories and genres (puzzle rpg action adventure) these would make it more fun for the type of games people enjoy the most

[ScottishNub]

11 hours ago, AusLeviathan said:

Why complain about short and easy platinum trophies? For the same reason that people complain about the movement that society has taken to reward mediocrity. When I was a kid 15 years ago I came fourth place in a race and I got nothing, now you come tenth place and you'll get a ribbon. We're creating a world where no one is allowed to fail and if they do we tell them that's okay you still succeeded. The Incredibles said it best 'When everyone is special, no one will be", that's where we're heading.

 

11 hours ago, AusLeviathan said:

 

 

You bring up a good point about the everyone is a winner in athletic events 

Not sure if you remember this or heard about it when wonder woman was released and they obviously have to do marketing and they advertised it on a certain type of food protein bars obviously a out roar happened and had to change it by putting skinny chubby fat and obese women with the tag line anyone can be wonder woman like really.

I do admit the games i play and mostly got the platinum on are like take this when you're only 1/3 through the race 

But you do have "real" competition in alot of games and it doesn't take value away from said game 

[PalaceOfLove706]

Honestly, it’s all relative to the gamer’s experiences. I enjoy competing mildly on the leaderboards which as someone pointed out, means needing to play those games at least on occasion.

 

If you look at my profile though, it’s clear that I take on just as many hard games even if that means having no or little success. We complain about the Rata players but far fewer threads call out “completionists” who take less risk with their profile or play games on other profiles before doing it on their main account. And then they put others down for having a low completion rate.

 

Someone pointed out a psychological truth here: putting others down to raise themselves is something we’re all guilty of. This community is not going to ever come to an agreement over what is the most moral way to trophy hunt.

 

Let’s just look for the good in other people’s profiles and try to raise each other up rather than bring them down.

[AJ_Radio]

People don't mind a few easy games, we all got them.

 

However, since the surge of Ratalaika Games the platinum trophy count is essentially worthless. I don't care if you have 500 platinum trophies, what matters to me is the individual games and whether they have any meaning to you personally. It is so easy to stack games that I don't consider trophies in general to be any real accomplishment. You're no different than those who spent hundreds and thousands of dollars on shit games purely because of the trophy count.

 

People are going to be mad I said this, but there are a few companies who are basically banking on people here who care about the leaderboards. Ratalaika is one of them. Granted, some of the games I have seen look decent and if people want to buy some of them to relax, good. That's awesome, that's great. But when you specifically buy a bunch of stacks across multiple regions, are you playing for fun, or are you playing for the leaderboards? The latter is much more likely.

 

The leaderboards didn't mean much to begin with, but they are to me basically worthless.

 

There's a big difference between easy AAA games like Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales and Ghost of Tsushima that are completely worth the time and money...... and buying up a bunch of shit games that a small niche of people here on PSNP get simply because they can do them in less than a hour. Little Adventure on the Prairie, Orc Slayer, a majority of Ratalaika Games, all trash. Even My Name is Mayo 2, while it's amusing, is really just a game sold for the trophies.

 

There are so many good games out there that few people ever give the time and money towards. But a shit game comes out with a 90+ percent platinum trophy, the people here jump on that game and finish it in around 30 minutes because obviously their ranking means so much to them.

 

It's all numbers and percentages.

[DaivRules]

Because none of the complainers care about their experience with a game and can only think about their experience in the context of comparison to others. 

[Dreakon13]

First things first, people should only really care about their own personal entertainment and experience.  What other people do shouldn't concern them, unless they're directly effecting their game (ie. cheating in an online game).

 

That being said, too many intentionally easy games and easy trophies and easy platinum's does devalue the system (what little value it had).  It's a "trophy" system ffs, its main purpose is to show off and compare to others.  Especially for the people who put a lot of time and effort into theirs, I can understand the frustration of anything that might diminish what they've achieved in some way.

 

 

EDIT: Think of it like this, you win a marathon that you've trained all year for.  You beat everyone around you by miles... but for some reason, all those other people get trophies so big they can barely fit them in their cars, and you get a ribbon.  Yeah your ribbon says 1st place, if someone looks closely they'd know it's technically the more accomplished reward, a more humble person probably wouldn't care... but gamers aren't humble and it's eyebrow-raising at least that from a distance someone with 100 garbage plats might look better than someone with 15 really challenging ones.  It's not the "right" attitude to have I guess, but it's understandable.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Dreakon13

[DaivRules]

11 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said:

It's a "trophy" system ffs, its main purpose is to show off and compare to others.

 

I always thought of the trophies I've earned (ever since earning my first trophies in t-ball) were for me to remind me of what I earned. I didn't think trophies were inherently to be shown off and compared to others. Now I'm questioning if I've had a very unique experience growing up in that I never showed off or compared my trophies with others.

[Dreakon13]

26 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

 

I always thought of the trophies I've earned (ever since earning my first trophies in t-ball) were for me to remind me of what I earned. I didn't think trophies were inherently to be shown off and compared to others. Now I'm questioning if I've had a very unique experience growing up in that I never showed off or compared my trophies with others.

 

I mean, in this case the built-in online "compare" features and showcases on your profile and various websites beg to differ... but everyone approaches things differently.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Dreakon13

[DaivRules]

Just now, Dreakon13 said:

 

I mean, in this case the built-in online "compare" features and showcases on your profile and various websites beg to differ... but everyone approaches things differently.

 

I get that Sony implemented a compare system, I was talking about trophies being inherently meant to be shown off and compared. I didn't realize you were only talking about PlayStation Trophies and not trophies as a thing in the real world.

[Dreakon13]

20 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

 

I get that Sony implemented a compare system, I was talking about trophies being inherently meant to be shown off and compared. I didn't realize you were only talking about PlayStation Trophies and not trophies as a thing in the real world.

 

See how being deceptively vague can cause people to put words in other peoples mouths?

 

It is mostly about Playstation Trophies, since we're here on PSNProfiles.  Though I do feel like trophies are inherently meant to be shown off, perhaps not compared unless delivered ceremoniously along with others.  Otherwise your t-ball coach could've just signed a napkin and left it in your gear bag to the same effect.

 

EDIT: Case in point, why would Sony think to add it, why would basically all trophy/achievement systems have the ability to compare and why would people use it... if that isn't something we inherently want to do with them?

Edited December 2, 2020 by Dreakon13

[Tecnal1]

Personally I never cared about people playing games to obtain easy platinum trophies. Anybody is entitled to achieve platinum trophies how they see fit themself, I'm not going to complain but when I view other peoples' profiles I will formulate an idea about the type of trophy hunter before me. 

I think there are different kind of trophy hunters so is understandable there will be people that care and people the not care at all (like me). Honestly, I think both view as legitimate however complain come mostly from people that want to climb the leaderboard (i'm not stating it in a bad way). In conclusion all is up how much weight you give to trophies and trophy hunting per se

[Rozalia1]

There has always been easy quick platiniums (though quick used to be 6 hours, now you get 30 min ones). What really annoys people I think is the sheer amount of stacks that these games have. It's not just easy quick platiniums either it should be said, even 200 hour platiniums get multiple regional platiniums.

 

However at the end of the day it is on Sony. Some games have numerous regional stacks while others don't. Some games give separate stacks to PS3/4/5/Vita while others give all a single stack. Then there is having a platinium or not. Recently played Death Come True which was a cool experience and it did not have a platinium... why? Sure it's like 1.5-2 hours, but there are games that take much less that have one. You even have cases like Cures of the Moon 1 having no platinum yet 2, a game with roughly the same level of content, does. There just appear to no longer be any rules at all (in the PS3/Vita era the idea put forward was full games would have platinums, shorter more bitesize stuff wouldn't, but that seems completely out of the window now). 

The chances of Sony actually merging stacks together and making it so that all future games have a single stack or at most only have multiple stacks if on multiple consoles is very slim, though them recently changing the trophy level system implies they care on some level however slight.

 

As for myself, I have a number of these easy platiniums. For the cheap price some of them can be nice diversions. Not all games need to be some 100 hour grand adventure of legend. I try to space them out now though so they don't clog up my list. I'm sure even those who do it would admit having loads of easy plats in a row is pretty ugly looking.