What’s the deal with this game?

[MohandGamer7]

I noticed that there’s only 1 platinum achiever on this game and everyone else has 9 trophies or less. So is this game hard? Long? Or both? I can’t find any posts or guides about it 

 

@Danny_Johansen help please ?

Edited May 21, 2021 by MohandGamer7

[Danny_Johansen]

The game may look straightforward at first but it is not. All your units have perma death so just randomly killing stuff will get your units killed. Win rates in this game are also very deceiving if you have ever watched a video. Most wins I have seen have very blessed luck and on the higher difficulties it won't happen since the luck is more in the enemies favour. And these win rates aren't given either. When you know what to do it is short and easy but when you don't it is very challenging since you just have to brute force it until you get lucky enough.

 

Difficulty

40 trophies are related to reaching a certain distant. In this game you need to walk 1000 meter to reach the boss and kill him. The first 1km is normal difficulty. Second km is hard, then very hard, nightmare and finally impossible. Not much is fundamentally different other than that the power of each units is increased.

These are the bonus power for all units on each difficulty. Not sure if it is intended but 1 unit can get double this power bonus. So an 0-6 enemy can end up being close to 200.

 

Power and Promotions

Every battle won will increase your power by 10 and when you won enough times the unit promotes and gets a big bonus. The weakest unit in your army is a soldier and it starts with 30 power. The first 2 won battles will give it 10 power and the 3rd will give 90 power. The knight is the second unit and that starts with 150 power. It will get +10 for 3 battles before getting the big bonus of 80 power on his 4th victory. Losing a single battle will kill your unit. The chance to promote is kind of small even on the normal difficulty. The change to win 3 battles with a soldier on the weakest enemy of 10 power is only 17,5%. The knight has much better odds to promote while defeating 4 weak enemies at 33,5%. You also rather have a 260 power golden knight over a 140 golden soldier.

 

Hero and Deva

King Suren can only control entire groups of units and that isn't always desirable. This is how the Hero and Deva shine because they can control a small group of units. The way you can assign units is by using the Hero or Deva on the left screen. By pressing X you will control everything around him by a 5-5 grid. The units will stay assigned to the Deva until they get assigned to a different Deva or the same Deva assigns new units.

 

Bosses

At the end of every 200 meter chunk there is a boss. By defeating a boss 2 things will happen. First the boss will become a friendly unit to aid you in battle. Boss units can have a varied usefulness with some just being another units while others have special properties like increasing other units power, creating units or turning enemies into your own.

 

The second is that the unit used will promote to the highest rank unit. This promotion is a 50-50 between shoguns and Deva. Any unit regardless of how strong or weak they are will promote and have their power set to this class.

 

When killing bosses you want to make use of the second part. Lets say that you attack it with golden knights, they have a power of 260 and this is the same as the first boss. On average you need 2 golden knights to kill it and both will be gone and replaced for 1 Shogun or Deva. This isn't a bad trade but any bonus power on the golden knight is lost when promoting to the new class so it can have initially lower power. A much better way to kill the boss is by attacking with many weak 30 power units. Knowing that they have a 14-15% chance to win, on average it takes 7 of these units.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Danny_Johansen

[Danny_Johansen]

Win rates

I have mentioned before that the win rates are very misleading. When you attack a 10 power unit with a 30 power unit you expect to win 75% of the battles but you don't. The real number for winning this is only roughly 54%.

 

I am not 100% if the way I calculate this is correct but it gave me results that are very close. So close that I was able to use it for my benefit. When you go into a battle both units get a random number added to their own power and the unit with the higher power after wins. This number I estimated to be randomly between 0-500 so unless someone dives in the code and find the exact numbers, this is the best I could do.

 

I put these numbers in a formula and made a graph and table out of it.

I made most of these kind of quick and for myself so everything is a little messy. To explain how it works is that x is the difference in power between the 2 units. The line shows the odds of winning for the higher units so if it has 200 power more it has an 82% win rate. 82% isn't high enough that you can just attack everything at random. It will lose roughly every 6 battles.

 

 

Conclusion

This game is 1 big probability calculation and I had a lot of fun breaking it.

 

 

If anyone has any question about it, just ask.

 

Edited May 22, 2021 by Danny_Johansen

[MohandGamer7]

On 2021-05-22 at 3:16 PM, Danny_Johansen said:

Win rates

I have mentioned before that the win rates are very misleading. When you attack a 10 power unit with a 30 power unit you expect to win 75% of the battles but you don't. The real number for winning this is only roughly 54%.

 

I am not 100% if the way I calculate this is correct but it gave me results that are very close. So close that I was able to use it for my benefit. When you go into a battle both units get a random number added to their own power and the unit with the higher power after wins. This number I estimated to be randomly between 0-500 so unless someone dives in the code and find the exact numbers, this is the best I could do.

 

I put these numbers in a formula and made a graph and table out of it.

I made most of these kind of quick and for myself so everything is a little messy. To explain how it works is that x is the difference in power between the 2 units. The line shows the odds of winning for the higher units so if it has 200 power more it has an 82% win rate. 82% isn't high enough that you can just attack everything at random. It will lose roughly every 6 battles.

 

 

Conclusion

This game is 1 big probability calculation and I had a lot of fun breaking it.

 

 

If anyone has any question about it, just ask.

 

 Wow this is an amazing explanation. Thank you very much for your explanation and your time. I’ll definitely check this game out and hopefully finish it. 
sorry for late reply but I didn’t get notified 

[Danny_Johansen]

This will be the final post. This strategy is used for earning the 9 misc trophies in the game. The way to earn this wasn't found out by me but by a Japanese player, KKprimitive.

 

The trophies are for having 5, 10....50 Pack-Llamy's appear. With the right set up this takes roughly 2-4 hours. To give a quick understanding on how this is done. First you take control of the humans in the background. You breed them like rabbits until you have a couple 100 of them and then you have them work the fields. When a field is fully worked on, a donkey will bring the grain to the silo's in the bottom right. When 4 or 5 boxes are collected it will sent out 1 Pack-Llama. Repeat this 50 times and you got all trophies. This has to be done in a single game because the progress doesn't save.

 

Getting started

The first thing you have to do is find an open spot without enemies and terrain so you have a good view of all the stuff on the background layer. Start the game like any other and escape from the prison. The spot I used for it is at a distance of 962 from the final boss. When you have found a nice spot, get rid of any roaming enemies with the Hero, do not use the King for this. Place the green bar that gives you control over either player 1 or 2 all the way to the right by pressing R1. You want it to be on the table with the pigeons. This prevents you from moving any normal units but still allows controlling the humans in the back.

 

Control all humans

Now is the time to explain how to control the humans. On the background you will see 4-5 humans spread out on the field. You have to wait until one of them is hit by a flying book. When they have a book above their head they can be controlled. Press up/down/left/right to make it walk in this direction. They will continue to walk in this direction until a new diraction is pressed. Moving them left and right will also rotate the action they will do but that isn't important for now. Just make sure to keep changing the direction every few second or you run the risk of humans despawning. When they stop walking, it means they are doing an action and you have to wait until they are done with it. Make sure to keep changing the direction when this happens or they will despawn. The way to take control over the other humans is by having the human with the book touch them. When taking control over all the humans it is important to keep them clumped together, so if 1 starts an actions and doesn't move you don't want the other to keep moving.

 

Breed them like rabbits

When bringing all of them together you noticed that a couple new had spawned. The way you get more is by bringing a male and a female together. There is a cooldown on how often they can create a new human so it is best to keep them all on top of each other so it is triggered as often as possible. Try to use only up and down so they stay better together. They will spread out at some point but try to avoid it for as long as possible. The amount of humans will start to skyrocket at point but aim for a minimum of 200 before spreading them out since it will heavily reduce new spawns. If it doesn't lag the game, you don't have enough.

 

Working the fields

When you have enough humans, it is time to make them work on the fields. By pressing left and right it is possible to cycle through a couple of actions that can be done. One of them is for plowing the fields. By changing the grafics to the "newer" version, it is easier to tell what they do. The humans will sometimes have a mind of their own and do something else. To set them right you want to quickly tap left and right so everyone is working the fields again. You can tell your doing it right when 2 or 4 dots appear on the background. It takes 3 cycles to create 1 box. These are 2 dots, 4 dots and finally a small animation. Do this until all misc trophies have popped.

 

 

[stealthlevel100]

Wonderful, thanks for the detailed explanation. This should also be in the guide section too in my opinion, because it is really helpful