Finozzi1696 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Hi, I only played Asylum and City some months ago, I was surprised because I never liked anything to do with superheroes and I never played or watched anything to do with Batman, but the Arkham series were fantastic and I have to ask: is Origins worth it to fully enjoy the whole Arkham experience? I mean I know it's supposed to be a prequel and that it wasn't made by the original team so there must be some problems with the story or something, but does the game adds something to the whole Arkham story that is considered canon? I wanted to play it even when everyone said is bad but I don't own a PS3 anymore because I sold it and buyed a PS4, and I was disappointed when I found out that they were going to remaster the first 2 games for the PS4 but not Origins, maybe because Rocksteady doesn't see it as an official Arkham game? Do I have to at least watch someone else play the game on YouTube or do I stick only with the ones made by Rocksteady? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Stick to Rocksteady. No you don't need to play Arkham Origins for the full Arkham experience because Rocksteady stated a year ago to IGNORE it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Tooth69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Personally, I don't like it. I do however know of people that actually enjoyed it so it really depends on the person I guess. There are references to Origins in Knight so it is most certainly cannon; It's not crucial to the overall picture though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Just get Arkham Knight. The whole game is awesome! Most of the people that are bashing it at the moment are angry PC elitist. It's definitely better than AA and AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Tooth69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 It's definitely better than AA and AC. I wouldn't go that far. Great game for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condemned09 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Ignore arkham origin that game is not good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesty15 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I honestly don't really get all the hate and bashing people shower down on Origins. It might not have been as good as City and Knight, but I think that was mostly because it didn't do a lot of 'new' things when compared to its predecessor (City). I, for one, really enjoyed the game, and would recommend anyone who enjoys the Arkham series to go and pick it up. Shouldn't be too expensive anymore anyway. So yeah, I'd tell you to go for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 It says that it is a prequel yet Batman has more tools in AO than in both AA and AC. That's pretty stupid in my opinion because if it truly was a prequel then Batman wouldn't be that advanced both combat and gadget wise. It shows no origins just pure bullshit and a cheap cash grab by WB Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnesty15 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 It says that it is a prequel yet Batman has more tools in AO than in both AA and AC. That's pretty stupid in my opinion because if it truly was a prequel then Batman wouldn't be that advanced both combat and gadget wise. It shows no origins just pure bullshit and a cheap cash grab by WB Montreal. Not to be rude or disrespect your opinion or anything, but I think "Batman has more gadgets while it is a prequel" isn't really all that good of a reason to advise someone not to get a game. And it does show origins: how Batman became the "feared vigilante" he is nowadays, and how his co-operation with the GCPD came to be. Stuff like that is considered someone's origin. But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I wouldn't go that far. Great game for sure though. Dude I respect your opinion but I hate it when developers damage a game series by just putting out a cheap cash grab due to its current popularity. Another example of this would be BL TPS. There is no way in hell that BL TPS is better than BL 2. Always purchase a game if its made by its original creator because they know what is right and wrong for said game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I found it to be a highly enjoyable game in the series. Sure it was a lot like City and that's where it got a lot of its criticism from, but I liked the backstory of some of the villains, Bane and Joker especially. I'd definitely say it's worth playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Tooth69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Dude I respect your opinion but I hate it when developers damage a game series by just putting out a cheap cash grab due to its current popularity. Another example of this would be BL TPS. There is no way in hell that BL TPS is better than BL 2. Always purchase a game if its made by its original creator because they know what is right and wrong for said game. Lol what the hell does that have to do with what I said? I just said that Knight isn't as good as Aslyum and City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Not to be rude or disrespect your opinion or anything, but I think "Batman has more gadgets while it is a prequel" isn't really all that good of a reason to advise someone not to get a game. And it does show origins: how Batman became the "feared vigilante" he is nowadays, and how his co-operation with the GCPD came to be. Stuff like that is considered someone's origin. But you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Thank you for being respectful ☺. It's just that how can Batman use those gadgets in AO and not in AA or AC? Yet here we are with people saying that the Batmobile is a stupid and lame addition to Arkham Knight. Why all the hate for Arkham Knight?Lol what the hell does that have to do with what I said? I just said that Knight isn't as good as Aslyum and City. Lol I know I'm just laying out an example here His detective mode is way advanced in AO. Lol that's just stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Thank you for being respectful ☺. It's just that how can Batman use those gadgets in AO and not in AA or AC? Yet here we are with people saying that the Batmobile is a stupid and lame addition to Arkham Knight. Why all the hate for Arkham Knight? Lol I know I'm just laying out an example here His detective mode is way advanced in AO. Lol that's just stupid As to the extra gadgets thing, it explains it in Arkham Knight. The GCPD has an evidence room with a bunch of cool stuff from throughout the series. Batman basically hands over stuff like the electro gloves because they were evidence and from criminals. It has a little VO thing for each item too, I found it a fun little area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I know that you didn't bash AK Dark_Tooth. AO should have been about a rookie Batman with minimal combat experience, gadgets, and mobility. It should have shown him struggling with the main villains throughout the game rather than just kicking everyones ass without any problems or consequences whatsoever. As to the extra gadgets thing, it explains it in Arkham Knight. The GCPD has an evidence room with a bunch of cool stuff from throughout the series. Batman basically hands over stuff like the electro gloves because they were evidence and from criminals. It has a little VO thing for each item too, I found it a fun little area.Yes but they just did that out of respect for AO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Tooth69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I honestly don't really get all the hate and bashing people shower down on Origins. I believe I posted something in a thread a while back that would be a good answer to that; I'll see if I can find it. Found it ⇊ "The combat system is definitely not the same as city. AC's combat was responsive, and polished; I play the challenge maps to this day because of how good it is. In Origins sometimes you'll try to chain punches together and Batman will punch the air making you drop your combo. The gadgets are practically the same as City's as well, they just gave them new names or made them more useless: The glue grenade is basically the freeze grenade from City, and the remote claw is essentially a gimped version of the line launcher which only works in specific areas (although it does have some cool uses in combat.) Side missions and even bosses are reskins of the bosses in City: Anarky's side mission is a copy of Zsasz, The fight against Deadshot at the end of his side mission is a copy of Catwoman's fight against Two-face in AC, The riddler collectibles don't have hostages or any sort of reward for collecting them, the hatter side quest is basically a copy of Scarecrow's hallucination levels in Asylum, and those are just the side quests that I actually cared to finish so who knows about the rest. The game also lacks the attention to detail Asylum and City had. In the Rocksteady titles there was an abundance of easter eggs and every sidequest and area felt right. Those games felt like they were made by Batman fans, people that appreciate the character and the world. Origins feels like a rushed cash grab and there's no more proof than the amount of glitches it has and the fact that they refused to fix them because "they were working on the DLC" (which ended up having a reskinned battle of Mr. Freeze from Arkham City). I'm not saying the game is terrible, I'm just explaining why most people don't think it lives up to rocksteady's work. It has redeemable qualities like the Red Hood section of the story which was surprising, The Bane boss battle that's actually quite fun, Troy Baker (although not as good as Mark Hamill) gave a very solid Joker performance, the enemies as you said were very unique as well and I really enjoyed that, unfortunately they ruined this by giving you the shock gloves which pretty much take away the challenge. Oh and they abused the quick time events as well, City used them sparsely like in Ra's Al Ghul's boss battle but origins added them to almost every boss, making them get old fast." Original thread here: https://psnprofiles.com/forums/topic/27720-just-for-fun-choose-one-only/page-2 It has a lot more issues than that but that's just what I could think of at the time. If someone enjoys it cool. I don't think the game is terrible by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 How does Batman know the cape stun beat down in AO and not in AA? Isn't he supposed to be a "rookie" in AO? I believe I posted something in a thread a while back that would be a good answer to that; I'll see if I can find it. Found it ⇊ "The combat system is definitely not the same as city. AC's combat was responsive, and polished; I play the challenge maps to this day because of how good it is. In Origins sometimes you'll try to chain punches together and Batman will punch the air making you drop your combo. The gadgets are practically the same as City's as well, they just gave them new names or made them more useless: The glue grenade is basically the freeze grenade from City, and the remote claw is essentially a gimped version of the line launcher which only works in specific areas (although it does have some cool uses in combat.) Side missions and even bosses are reskins of the bosses in City: Anarky's side mission is a copy of Zsasz, The fight against Deadshot at the end of his side mission is a copy of Catwoman's fight against Two-face in AC, The riddler collectibles don't have hostages or any sort of reward for collecting them, the hatter side quest is basically a copy of Scarecrow's hallucination levels in Asylum, and those are just the side quests that I actually cared to finish so who knows about the rest. The game also lacks the attention to detail Asylum and City had. In the Rocksteady titles there was an abundance of easter eggs and every sidequest and area felt right. Those games felt like they were made by Batman fans, people that appreciate the character and the world. Origins feels like a rushed cash grab and there's no more proof than the amount of glitches it has and the fact that they refused to fix them because "they were working on the DLC" (which ended up having a reskinned battle of Mr. Freeze from Arkham City). I'm not saying the game is terrible, I'm just explaining why most people don't think it lives up to rocksteady's work. It has redeemable qualities like the Red Hood section of the story which was surprising, The Bane boss battle that's actually quite fun, Troy Baker (although not as good as Mark Hamill) gave a very solid Joker performance, the enemies as you said were very unique as well and I really enjoyed that, unfortunately they ruined this by giving you the shock gloves which pretty much take away the challenge. Oh and they abused the quick time events as well, City used them sparsely like in Ra's Al Ghul's boss battle but origins added them to almost every boss, making them get old fast." Original thread here: https://psnprofiles.com/forums/topic/27720-just-for-fun-choose-one-only/page-2 It has a lot more issues than that but that's just what I could think of at the time. If someone enjoys it cool. I don't think the game is terrible by any means. This pretty much sums up why AO should not be ranked higher than AA, AC and AK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Tooth69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) How does Batman know the cape stun beat down in AO and not in AA? Isn't he supposed to be a "rookie" in AO? To be honest, all of your complaints are superficial gameplay related issues that aren't really issues. Would you have preferred to have a more bare bones game just to make it "authentic". Origins has a lot of problems but the things you mentioned aren't one. Edited July 19, 2015 by Dark_Tooth69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 A true Batman origins game would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 How does Batman know the cape stun beat down in AO and not in AA? Isn't he supposed to be a "rookie" in AO? He was wearing the wrong cape in AA and wasn't able to change ;P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 To be honest, all of your complains are superficial gameplay related issues that aren't really issues. Would you have preferred to have a more bare bones game just to make it "authentic". Origins has a lot of problems but the things you mentioned aren't one. WB Montreal could have added its own combat system that would have fit better with an inexperienced Batman. It doesn't need to be bare bones at all. They had an opportunity to add some fresh ideas but they ultimately decided to stick to the same formula because of fear thus leading to a meh Batman game. Different moves, basic Predator tactics, and an actual struggling Batman are all that was needed. He was wearing the wrong cape in AA and wasn't able to change ;P Lol this is what I mean. Instead of having Batman rely on his out of placed gadgets they could have implemented different ways to distract, lure and takedown enemies. He should have used his batarangs and smoke pellets in unique ways because of his inexperienced status. Make the combat feel different and awesome in its own unique way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damon8r351 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Reminds me of that one Amy Schumer sketch about how opinions are like buttholes because everyone has three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsPepox20 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Reminds me of that one Amy Schumer sketch about how opinions are like buttholes because everyone has three. Lol nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltyie Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Origins has an enjoyable story, the series best boss fight, and debuts a few characters that appear in Knight. Definitely worth playing, I enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finozzi1696 Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 I didn't mean to start a fight sorry! Thank you for all your comments, I still wish they remaster it someday. Meanwhile I'm waiting for Until Dawn, Uncharted HD trilogy, Beyond Two Souls HD, Tearaway Unfolded, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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