Dark and Sad Day In America

[DanielVT]

I am so saddened. There I was expecting the Supreme Court to stand up for freedom, for America, and most importantly the Constitution they swore to protect. Instead the SC allowed the Obamination that is the Affordable Health Care act to stand. Although Obama the Socialist said that there would be no increase in taxes, the Supreme Court has found that Americans will find their taxes increasing. He is such a lying piece of trash. He uses executive privilege to cover up his people allowing guns into Mexico in an attempt to usher in gun control laws in America, and now he raises taxes and FORCES every American to have government run health care. I am now putting all my hope in Romney and the Republicans to keep their word and repeal this threat to the free world. Romney will win because this is the turning point. Americans will be infuriated and they will fire the worst president that this country has ever had. That is not racist. I have nothing against African-Americans, but Obama is a hypocite and a disgrace to African-Americans, white - Americans, hispanic - Americans, ALL AMERICANS, and this country in general. Don't forget how he bows to other country's leaders and repents for America's past actions. I could trash him again and again, but may this have been the last straw. May this day be looked back upon as the turning point. The day all Americans snapped out of their haze for the sake of future generations at the very least. May God Bless America. Romney 2012.

Edited June 28, 2012 by DanielVT

[grimydawg___]

I am so saddened. There I was expecting the Supreme Court to stand up for freedom, for America, and most importantly the Constitution they swore to protect. Instead the SC allowed the Obamination that is the Affordable Health Care act to stand. Although Obama the Socialist said that there would be no increase in taxes, the Supreme Court has found that Americans will find their taxes increasing. He is such a lying piece of trash. He uses executive privilege to cover up his people allowing guns into Mexico in an attempt to usher in gun control laws in America, and now he raises taxes and FORCES every American to have government run health care. I am now putting all my hope in Romney and the Republicans to keep their word and repeal this threat to the free world. Romney will win because this is the turning point. Americans will be infuriated and they will fire the worst president that this country has ever had. That is not racist. I have nothing against African-Americans, but Obama is a hypocite and a disgrace to African-Americans, white - Americans, hispanic - Americans, ALL AMERICANS, and this country in general. Don't forget how he bows to other country's leaders and repents for America's past actions. I could trash him again and again, but may this have been the last straw. May this day be looked back upon as the turning point. The day all Americans snapped out of their haze for the sake of future generations at the very least. May God Bless America. Romney 2012.

If you think Romney will do better, I suggest you read a little more on him. You need to understand politics and read your history before you mindlessly bash people. In politics, you have to compromise with other folks in the other party, even if it's something you don't want.

Edited June 28, 2012 by grimydawg

[Sly Ripper]

Since when was free health care bad? One of the few reasons why the UK rules. Catch up America...

[DanielVT]

Since when was free health care bad? One of the few reasons why the UK rules. Catch up America...

That's just it, it is not free. We will be paying for it whether or not people like it or even realize it. This opens up the door for our politicians to force us to buy anything that the government decrees etc. The U.K. does not think "free" health care is bad because lets face it, they have always had a king or queen (although in recent history they have been for show) and have always been a bit socialist. The United States was built upon freedom where we shirked off forced taxation, and here we are again. The government gets to force Americans to buy health care. It may seem insignificant to those with socialized health care, but it is a huge deal as it directly defies the Constitution which is unprecedented.

If you think Romney will do better, I suggest you read a little more on him. You need to understand politics and read your history before you mindlessly bash people. In politics, you have to compromise with other folks in the other party, even if it's something you don't want.

Romney is the lesser of the two evils, at least he will repeal the bill. That is all I care about. Oh, and buddy.....I am an avid history reader as it is my favorite subject and I also understand politics. I have made straight A's in college including two history courses and one government course. Before you mindlessly bash ME get your facts straight, you don't know me. Americans are continually being forced to compromise with socialism and that is unacceptable and there will be a reversal come November. America's future is at stake whether or not you believe it.

Edited June 28, 2012 by DanielVT

[Sly Ripper]

That's just it, it is not free. We will be paying for it whether or not people like it or even realize it. This opens up the door for our politicians to force us to buy anything that the government decrees etc. The U.K. does not think "free" health care is bad because lets face it, they have always had a king or queen (although in recent history they have been for show) and have always been a bit socialist. The United States was built upon freedom where we shirked off forced taxation, and here we are again. The government gets to force Americans to buy health care. It may seem insignificant to those with socialized health care, but it is a huge deal as it directly defies the Constitution which is unprecedented.

It's not a case of forced taxation, it's civilisation. Everyone pays taxes and you get free roads, healthcare, police, fire services etc. If you don't want those services, you could probably move to somewhere in Africa.

[grimydawg___]

That's just it, it is not free. We will be paying for it whether or not people like it or even realize it. This opens up the door for our politicians to force us to buy anything that the government decrees etc. The U.K. does not think "free" health care is bad because lets face it, they have always had a king or queen (although in recent history they have been for show) and have always been a bit socialist. The United States was built upon freedom where we shirked off forced taxation, and here we are again. The government gets to force Americans to buy health care. It may seem insignificant to those with socialized health care, but it is a huge deal as it directly defies the Constitution which is unprecedented.

Romney is the lesser of the two evils, at least he will repeal the bill. That is all I care about. Oh, and buddy.....I am an avid history reader as it is my favorite subject and I also understand politics. Before you mindlessly bash ME get your facts straight, you don't know me. Americans are continually being forced to compromise with socialism and that is unacceptable and there will be a reversal come November. America's future is at stake whether or not you believe it.

Yeah, that makes sense. You're also talking to a guy who's getting his Masters on political science. I think I MIGHT know a little bit more than you. Just a thought. Besides you can't even vote yet lol

Edited June 28, 2012 by grimydawg

[DanielVT]

It's not a case of forced taxation, it's civilisation. Everyone pays taxes and you get free roads, healthcare, police, fire services etc. If you don't want those services, you could probably move to somewhere in Africa.

Yes, that may be, but the government should not be able to tell me who my doctor is and the government should not tell me I have to pay for something I don't want and then put me in jail for refusing to pay. The government should not be able to tell me if I as a human being is of use to society and whether or not I deserve medical funds if I injure myself etc. This is an unwanted bill that was literally slammed down America's throats. I look forward to seeing whether or not America does indeed want the ever increasing role of government in our lives or if they want the life that America's Founding Father's originally imagined. That is all I am trying to say.

Yeah, that makes sense. You're also talking to a guy who's getting his Masters on political science. I think I MIGHT know a little bit more than you. Just a thought. Besides you can't even vote yet lol

I am impressed, however that does not make you automatically right. Obama can have the degree in whatever he wants and that does not make him right in this instance. Also just because I cannot vote does not mean that I have an uneducated or meaningless opinion. I fear not this bill, I fear what this bill allows the government to do in the future. Also America is virtually bankrupt. The country CANNOT afford the hundred of billions of dollars that this will add to the deficit. It is worth noting that the CBO found out the bill will cost at least nearly 2 trillion dollars instead of the 1 trillion Obama promised. Obama promised no increase in taxes and the Supreme Court has found the complete opposite. In fact the only reason the bill was found "constitutional" was because it falls under the government's right to taxation. Wait....I thought there was not taxation!!!!???? One of the Judges on the Supreme Court (forgive me for not remembering) called the bill a death spiral for America. Please read this excerpt from an article from wait for it...........Fox News:

The ruling relied on a technical explanation of how the individual mandate could be categorized. Roberts, in the opinion, said the mandate could not be upheld under the Constitution's Commerce Clause. However, it could be upheld under the government's power to tax.

"The Affordable Care Act is constitutional in part and unconstitutional in part The individual mandate cannot be upheld as an exercise of Congress's power under the Commerce Clause," Roberts wrote. "That Clause authorizes Congress to regulate interstate commerce, not to order individuals to engage it. In this case, however, it is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance. Such legislation is within Congress's power to tax."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/supreme-court-upholds-individual-mandate-obamacare-survives/#ixzz1z6ZEfwlC

[grimydawg___]

Yes, that may be, but the government should not be able to tell me who my doctor is and the government should not tell me I have to pay for something I don't want and then put me in jail for refusing to pay. The government should not be able to tell me if I as a human being is of use to society and whether or not I deserve medical funds if I injure myself etc. This is an unwanted bill that was literally slammed down America's throats. I look forward to seeing whether or not America does indeed want the ever increasing role of government in our lives or if they want the life that America's Founding Father's originally imagined. That is all I am trying to say.

They didn't really build America. My ancestors did. Enough said. What did the 'founding fathers' originally imagine to you? I can tell you one thing. They sure as hell didn't imagine a person of color being President.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz1z6ZEfwlC

FoxNews. Go figure lol. That's your problem right there...

[Sly Ripper]

Yes, that may be, but the government should not be able to tell me who my doctor is and the government should not tell me I have to pay for something I don't want and then put me in jail for refusing to pay. The government should not be able to tell me if I as a human being is of use to society and whether or not I deserve medical funds if I injure myself etc. This is an unwanted bill that was literally slammed down America's throats. I look forward to seeing whether or not America does indeed want the ever increasing role of government in our lives or if they want the life that America's Founding Father's originally imagined. That is all I am trying to say.

Who said anything about injuring yourself, what if someone randomly stabs you in the street? I'm sure you'd want an ambulance/heli to take you to hospital, stitched up, fed/bed for a few days and be discharged without paying a penny.

What if when the paramedics get to you they have to run background checks to see if you pay taxes, find out you don't so they leave you and be on their way, or you just wake up in a hospital with a huge bill because you don't pay taxes.

A 2001 study in five states found that medical debt contributed to 46.2% of all personal bankruptcies and in 2007, 62.1% of filers for bankruptcies claimed high medical expenses.^[4] Since then, health costs and the numbers of uninsured and underinsured have increased.

It's not like your current system works, someone gets a huge bill, goes bankrupt, done..

[DanielVT]

I can see which side of the political spectrum you come from, and I really don't want to get into a big argument. I also have alot of assignments to do, but I will post several meaningful quotes. Oh, and for the record, I would rather have had our first colored president be someone other than Obama. Obama has been a horrible president and an embarrasment.

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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

P. J. O'Rourke

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.

Ayn Rand

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

Thomas Paine

“A wise and frugal Government,

which shall restrain men from injuring one another

yet leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement,

and which shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned:

this is the sum of good Government necessary to complete the circle of our felicities”. - Thomas Jefferson

Here is THE quote of the day.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" - JFK

Who said anything about injuring yourself, what if someone randomly stabs you in the street? I'm sure you'd want an ambulance/heli to take you to hospital, stitched up, fed/bed for a few days and be discharged without paying a penny.

What if when the paramedics get to you they have to run background checks to see if you pay taxes, find out you don't so they leave you and be on their way, or you just wake up in a hospital with a huge bill because you don't pay taxes.

It's not like your current system works, someone gets a huge bill, goes bankrupt, done..

I hear what you are saying, but government is not the answer. Also, hospitals will never turn away some one in an emergency regardless of whether or not you have insurance. Every person in America already has health care in that if they need attention they will get it regardless of whether or not they have the money. I as well believe the health care system need reform, but this is not it. The government is crossing the line as it has never done before. I am sure that to people not living in America it is no big deal, but to Americans, it feels like our freedom is being taken away. You guys have health care so it may be silly, but for Americans it is life or death. That may be becuase we are spoiled, but we do not like to give up our freedoms even if we take them for granted every day.

[grimydawg___]

I can see which side of the political spectrum you come from, and I really don't want to get into a big argument. I also have alot of assignments to do, but I will post several meaningful quotes. Oh, and for the record, I would rather have had our first colored president be someone other than Obama. Obama has been a horrible president and an embarrasment.

G

i

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

P. J. O'Rourke

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.

Ayn Rand

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

Thomas Paine

“A wise and frugal Government,

which shall restrain men from injuring one another

yet leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement,

and which shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned:

this is the sum of good Government necessary to complete the circle of our felicities”. - Thomas Jefferson

Here is THE quote of the day.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" - JFK

It's OK. You don't know any better. You can't vote and you don't pay taxes (not much). So you might as well be quiet. That quote I put in bold shows your true ignorance. It's OK though

Edited June 28, 2012 by grimydawg

[Sly Ripper]

I don't come from any political spectrum, I don't vote.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"

So everyone paying little to help someone a lot isn't doing something for your country?

[xBiG_BoSS-911x]

I don't agree with you if you believe Romney will be better than Obama. They may as well be the same person, just as Obama and Bush may as well be the same person. You need to realize that the Republican Party and Democratic Party are the exact same thing with a few minor differences. I agree with you that the health care mandate shouldn't have passed and that the Supreme Court is corrupt, but I disagree with you saying Obama is a socialist. He is actually pretty far right based on his retarded social and economic policy.

Edited June 28, 2012 by xBiG_BoSS-911x

[DanielVT]

It's OK. You don't know any better. You can't vote and you don't pay taxes (not much). So you might as well be quiet. That quote I put in bold shows your true ignorance. It's OK though

Why do you have to act so high and mighty like you are so much better me? I don't care if you had every degree in the world, that does not change the fact that government should be limited. People should be able to live their lives without government saying how they live it. Do you like and want/prefer socialism to democracy and capitalism? I am not saying that the latter two are perfect by any means, but they are the best options possible.

You're fucking retarded if you believe Romney will be better than Obama. They may as well be the same person, just as Obama and Bush may as well be the same person. You need to realize that the Republican Party and Democratic Party are the exact same thing with a few minor differences. I agree with you that the health care mandate shouldn't have passed and that the Supreme Court is corrupt, but I disagree with you saying Obama is a socialist. He is actually pretty far right based on his retarded social and economic policy.

As I said, I don't trust politicians, I could care less if they screw off every night, or if they waste money who cares. All I want is a politician that does not do anything to mess up what has made America successful for over 200 years. If all Romney ever does is just repeal Obamacare then I will be content. Bush and Obama were both majorly flawed, but I find Obama to be drastically moreso. I disagreed with Iraq war, but I supported our military. Does this make my stance more clear.

Edited June 28, 2012 by DanielVT

[xBiG_BoSS-911x]

Why do you have to act so high and mighty like you are so much better me? I don't care if you had every degree in the world, that does not change the fact that government should be limited. People should be able to live their lives without government saying how they live it. Do you like and want/prefer socialism to democracy and capitalism? I am not saying that the latter two are perfect by any means, but they are the best options possible.

I agree with you on saying that the government should have no role in our lives, and that true capitalism should prevail, but if you think that then why are you supporting Romney? If you look at their track records, Obama and Romney and Bush may as well be the same person (a very shitty one). Out of curiosity, may I ask which party you support? It seems as if you blindly support the Republican Party when the quotes you spew sounds much more Libertarian to me (which is what I am).

[grimydawg___]

Why do you have to act so high and mighty like you are so much better me? I don't care if you had every degree in the world, that does not change the fact that government should be limited. People should be able to live their lives without government saying how they live it. Do you like and want/prefer socialism to democracy and capitalism? I am not saying that the latter two are perfect by any means, but they are the best options possible.

Why to you talk out of your ass? We are NOT a democracy, fool. People should learn to actually know what they're talking about.

Edited June 28, 2012 by grimydawg

[xBiG_BoSS-911x]

We are NOT a democracy, fool. People should learn to actually know what they're talking about.

That's 100% true, we are a constitutional republic. True democracy is way more prone to manipulation (although politicians have manipulated our system pretty well).

[eburkulosis]

You guys, lighten up or I will unleash the fury!!!

[DanielVT]

I don't come from any political spectrum, I don't vote.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"

So everyone paying little to help someone a lot isn't doing something for your country?

Oh sure, everyone should pay taxes, and if this bill truly was a good thing, there would be no problem. What I have said all day is that the issue here is that it grants the government to little by little take away more freedoms. Did you know that inside the bill it gives the government the ability to regulate all gold in the country? Nobody has a clue what is in the 1000 page bill, heck for that matter not even do I. This is way more than just a health care bill. The bill looks like a sheep, but upon further examination the inside the bill is wolf. I have read small sections of it, and it is so terrible what the left is getting away with. Everybody supporting it is like yay, free health care, but beware this in the minds of the powers that be has NOTHING to do with health care. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I have seen details in the bill that all Americans should be made aware of.

[xBiG_BoSS-911x]

Oh sure, everyone should pay taxes, and if this bill truly was a good thing, there would be no problem.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. So if you agreed with this bill, everything would be okay? Who is to say what is a good thing versus a bad thing? How about no taxes except for sales tax (and opt-in Social Security tax)? That sounds a lot better to me.

[DanielVT]

I agree with you on saying that the government should have no role in our lives, and that true capitalism should prevail, but if you think that then why are you supporting Romney? If you look at their track records, Obama and Romney and Bush may as well be the same person (a very shitty one). Out of curiosity, may I ask which party you support? It seems as if you blindly support the Republican Party when the quotes you spew sounds much more Libertarian to me (which is what I am).

I am not Republican, I am conservative. I see value in both sides of the argument, but I generally side with Republicans, because they are the best choice in my opinion. God know they are not perfect, but lets face it, we only get two choices. It is for the same reason I support Romney. He is the last hope to destroy Obamacare. I do not however blindly accept all of his politics as I did not support him at first. I supported Santorum for his Christian and ultra conservative values. However, we are down to 2 choices once agian, in my mind it is quite clear what the choice should be, Romney > Obama is the way I see it.

Why to you talk out of your ass? We are NOT a democracy, fool. People should learn to actually know what they're talking about.

You take me as a fool.......I would be the first to tell you that we are not a true democracy, but a democracy is the easiest and closest way to define America. If we were a true democracy, we would not be relegated to having just two political parties to choose from and just two presidential candiates to vote for at the end of the election process. Note: Please respond with courtesy or don't respond at all in the future. I am not here to pick a fight although you seem to be. Keep it nice and intelligent without mindless insults please.

Obama was put into an office with so many problems and so many people out for his head, that I feel sorry for him. The past 2 years his legislature was mostly run by Republicans that just stopped everything he tried to do. Poor bastard. I'm not a socialist, but Government healthcare isn't a bad idea.

Poor Obama, it is all Bush's fault. Obama can't do anything wrong. Thank God for the political deadlock, it has stopped both sides from screwing up the country further IMO.

[xBiG_BoSS-911x]

but lets face it, we only get two choices.

And that is where you are 100% wrong, like I said before, I am a Libertarian (socially liberally, economically conservative), which is the fastest growing party in America, and the third largest party. You have way more than two choices when you look into third parties, because if you just look at Republicans vs. Democrats, you only have one choice (because both candidates are the same, I know I have to spell that out for you because you're very dense).

[DanielVT]

You guys, lighten up or I will unleash the fury!!!

Fresh off the sports thread, I am doing my best to be as nice as possible. As you can probably see, my ultra-conservative simplistic views are ticking alot of people off and they don't have the eloquence to have a decent educated discussion withouth the use of language and the hurling of insults (I am not saying this about every participant of the thread, just a select few).

[eburkulosis]

Have you guys seen that new show The Newsroom on HBO? I was reminded of it when Ryan qualified Libertarians as being a relevant party in which Jeff Daniels said something like "nobody cares about those parties because they always lose" Not bashing you, just saying it came to mind. Random thoughts as usual

EDIT: nevermind: here is the quote...so funny

If liberals are so fuckin' smart, how come they lose so goddamn always?

[DanielVT]

And that is where you are 100% wrong, like I said before, I am a Libertarian (socially liberally, economically conservative), which is the fastest growing party in America, and the third largest party. You have way more than two choices when you look into third parties, because if you just look at Republicans vs. Democrats, you only have one choice (because both candidates are the same, I know I have to spell that out for you because you're very dense).

Hmm, is it me just being dense??? Strange how the only real candidates left are Romney and Obama. Where is your third-party candidate that has a legitimate shot......wait you don't have one. It is sad I have to tell you as well to please keep it nice and decent without insults or don't comment at all.

Have you guys seen that new show The Newsroom on HBO?

No, what exactly is it about other than the news???? I assume it is much more being that it is on HBO. lol

Have you guys seen that new show The Newsroom on HBO? I was reminded of it when Ryan qualified Libertarians as being a relevant party in which Jeff Daniels said something like "nobody cares about those parties because they always lose" Not bashing you, just saying it came to mind. Random thoughts as usual

Exactly you cannot consider yourself legitimate if you have a snowball's chance in hell to win an election.

Edited June 28, 2012 by DanielVT