eburkulosis Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Its a good show, very political-laden and follows current events (1st episode was covering the BP spill in the gulf) If you have HBO and enjoy politics, current events and drama I highly recommend it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielVT Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Its a good show, very political-laden and follows current events (1st episode was covering the BP spill in the gulf) If you have HBO and enjoy politics, current events and drama I highly recommend it Man, that sounds right up my alley. Too bad I don't have HBO GO . Thanks for the recommendation regardless. Edited June 28, 2012 by DanielVT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 America is DEAD...it was a nice run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielVT Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 America is DEAD...it was a nice run. As much as that may be the direction the country appears to be headed, I still have hope and belief in this wonderful country. If we do not turn things around soon I will be forced to agree, however, I am hoping and praying that in the upcoming elections, a referendum on Obama, the liberals, and all who want to destroy America will be made clear. Americans are for the most part not stupid and they will rise up for the sake of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 ....im just talking about the topic name here, but...the last not dark day america had, was when we killed Osama....otherwise this country sucks dick now. viva la robolucion bitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You have a habit of making a 1 sentence comment in a serious debate and leaving it at that. And we're not dead, we're still a superpower. The time for debate is before a decision is finalized. The time for pontification is over. Now is the time for action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielVT Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 Also prevents us from FIXING anything. And we've been declining since Reagan. You have a habit of making a 1 sentence comment in a serious debate and leaving it at that. And we're not dead, we're still a superpower. I completely agree with everything you just said. Reagan was by far our last great president, every one since thin has been mediocre or downright horrible. Also, we are not dead by any means, we still have a chance, and who knows maybe we will figure our our debt issue, maybe Congress won't abuse the health care law if it is not repealed, but I would not put too much hope in them. Anyway, we are still a superpower with China still looking up at us. As long as that lasts, I am happy. What people don't know is that most of our debt IS NOT owned by China. China owns a mere 1 trillion and the rest is divided up between other lenders (should we just say donators as it is not like they are ever getting the money back lol ) including India and the U.K. being significant owners of our debt with private American investors owning the majority of the national debt. It is gloomy, but not as gloomy as everyone says. As big as China is they RELY on the U.S. the only reason they "donate" so much money to us is because they depend on America to stay up and running as we import hundreds of billions of dolllars a year from them. Without the U.S. China would be nothing near what is is growing to be, and China knows it. The time for debate is before a decision is finalized. The time for pontification is over. Now is the time for action. I don't want revolt by any means if that is what you mean, but I like to think that the upcoming elections is America's first real opportunity to strike back and reign in the people we pay and hired to lead us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myers Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Canada is the answer to everything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey0115 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Just a quick question. How can you be for someone who passed the same exact bill in his state while he was gonvoner. Its ok for one to pass it and not the other?? Im sorry its a bit hypocritical. Edited June 28, 2012 by spidey0115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKSimba Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) dude are you serious.!! .Republicans, really. when you start working for anything in your life with a family to support. then talk. you still My hommie. Edited June 28, 2012 by BDKSimba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Canada is the answer to everything What will be funny is all those Canadians that cross the border for medical treatment...better just keep heading South. I hear those Mexican doctors are top-notch. Just a quick question. How can you be for someone who passed the same exact bill in his state while he was Governor. Its ok for one to pass it and not the other?? Im sorry its a bit hypocritical. That was the whole plan...the only difference between Obama and Romney is the amount of melanin in their skin. Romney was picked because he is the only one Obama could beat...and if he doesn't, we get a pale version instead...BRILLIANT!!! When your choice of Ice Cream is between Vanilla and French Vanilla, is it really a choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCChrono Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 When your choice of Ice Cream is between Vanilla and French Vanilla, is it really a choice? Don't you mean Muslim Vanilla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Don't you mean Muslim Vanilla? um...no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acasser Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Sorry I'm late to this thread, but I had to work today and didn't get to live with this in real time.... If you think Romney will do better, I suggest you read a little more on him. You need to understand politics and read your history before you mindlessly bash people. In politics, you have to compromise with other folks in the other party, even if it's something you don't want. Because the Democrats in 2009 and 2010 were so wonderful at compromising, right? Supermajorities in both Houses of Congress, enough so that they could pass what they wanted without fear of a Republican filibuster (unless some of those rascally "moderate" Democrats held out) and all that. Did you pay the least bit of attention to the process during which this bill was passed? There was very little input from Republicans at all, unless you count Obama inviting some Repubs to the White House for a televised sit-down that included him putting down most of the ideas the Repubs even offered. A Liberal's idea of "compromise" is "you do what we want". It certainly isn't really approximating compromise, because the Democrats seem hell-bent on ignoring everything the Republicans have offered since the elections in 2010. The House passes a bill, and Harry Reid uses it to light the fires in his mansion -- because he knows damn well that if he put the ideas to a vote in his chamber, there are enough Democrats scared for their political life to go along and pass Republican ideas.... and heaven forbid Harry Reid should make Obama reject the ideas on his own bailiwick (Reid doesn't have to stand for re-election until 2016, which makes it politically safer for him to do the dirty work). Perhaps when Harry Reid and the Liberals in the Senate feel like doing their duties.... such as passing a budget (not done since George W. Bush was still president, by the way).... I'll start thinking otherwise. Right now, a pox on their house. It's not a case of forced taxation, it's civilisation. Everyone pays taxes and you get free roads, healthcare, police, fire services etc. If you don't want those services, you could probably move to somewhere in Africa. If someone is paying for it, it isn't free. Also, roughly half of Americans don't pay taxes as the system goes now. The rest of us are carrying the freight for a large segment of society. I don't subscribe to the Elizabeth Warren Ultra-Liberal School of "the government pays for all this stuff, and you plebes couldn't do anything without us watching over you and providing for you and all that rot". They didn't really build America. My ancestors did. Enough said. What did the 'founding fathers' originally imagine to you? I can tell you one thing. They sure as hell didn't imagine a person of color being President. FoxNews. Go figure lol. That's your problem right there... The Founding Fathers didn't forsee lots of things. Time doesn't stand still, technology advances and people have to adapt to keep up. Even with all of that in consideration, they built the foundation for one of the greatest nations on Earth and one that has grown into the world's premier country. And I wouldn't be so quick to denigrate Fox News if I were you. They have to be doing something right to have more audience than CNN and MSNBC and CurrentTV and all the other Liberal outlets put together. They have to be doing something right if people are paying attention to them while the other side of the political spectrum sees their newsmedia wither on the vine. The newspapers are dying, the liberal news magazines are dying, and Fox keeps chugging along. Seems to me that this is a definition of "success". Obama was put into an office with so many problems and so many people out for his head, that I feel sorry for him. The past 2 years his legislature was mostly run by Republicans that just stopped everything he tried to do. Poor bastard. I'm not a socialist, but Government healthcare isn't a bad idea. Cry me a fucking river with this "it's all Bush's fault" crap. Obama wanted the job, and he got the job. He got the job with larger majorities in Congress to force through his agenda than any President since before World War II. He got virtually everything he wanted the first two years, and we're STILL in a recession. Perhaps he should stop campaigining for a few minutes, stop running around the country raising money for his re-election -- at taxpayer expense, to boot, because we're paying for the plane and the security and a whole lot else -- and do his job. If he doesn't want to do his job, there are plenty of people out there who would like his job. The Republicans have a hammerlock on the House of Representitives because the people decided they had had enough of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda. They were elected to put up a giant roadblock for two years, and they've done exactly that. The people who really seem to have a problem with this are the ivory tower intellectuals and Utopianists who seem to think they're smarter than everyone else and the only ones talented and capable enough to dictate how society should be run, the will of the masses be damned. Government healthcare might be a sound idea, although the results are certainly very uneven where it's been tried elsewhere in the world. If it happens to be such a wonderful system in Canada and Europe, how come so many people who can afford to step outside that system and come to the United States for treatment do so? If it happens to be such a wonderful system, why does the United States produce the vast majority of new medical developments and new pharmaceuticals and Canada/Europe produces a mere pittance? If it happens to be such a wonderful system they have over in the Old World, why are they going bankrupt even without some of the massive overhead costs the United States covers for them -- e.g. their military? Obamacare was never about heath insurance or "bending the cost curve" or any of the high-minded stuff that was thrown out there to sell it. It's about the government dipping its greedy little fingers into another revenue stream. It's about big government types (on both sides of the aisle) gaining greater say into how the average person lives their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon139 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I don't know enough about politics to even pretend I can participate in this conversation. But whoever winds up "right" or "wrong" in the end (if there is an end), it's still fun to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimydawg___ Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) The Founding Fathers didn't forsee lots of things. Time doesn't stand still, technology advances and people have to adapt to keep up. Even with all of that in consideration, they built the foundation for one of the greatest nations on Earth and one that has grown into the world's premier country. The slaves (my ancestors) built the foundation of this country. Sorry dude. You need to get that right. Fox News is indeed the largest audience. I know that too, but sources also show that Fox viewers are the least informed... What does that tell you? Edited June 29, 2012 by grimydawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 but sources also show that Fox viewers are the least informed... may I ask which sources those are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimydawg___ Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) may I ask which sources those are? That's what a computer is for or other sources like books or what not. Edited June 29, 2012 by grimydawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBiG_BoSS-911x Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 may I ask which sources those are? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/fox-news-less-informed-new-study_n_1538914.html http://www.inquisitr.com/241677/study-fox-news-viewers-less-informed-than-those-who-watch-no-news-at-all/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9288158/Fox-News-viewers-worst-informed-study-finds.html Lrn2google. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 That's what a computer is for or other sources like books or what not. http://www.huffingto..._n_1538914.html http://www.inquisitr...no-news-at-all/ http://www.telegraph...tudy-finds.html Lrn2google. I know how to google...i know how to look things up...my point was back up a statement with something other than liberal propaganda. if you are going to make a point like calling somebody stupid you should at least have the ability to have a footnote to back up the spin. After actually reading the articles, I have a question...now the original study was only conducted in NJ, and the updated one was nationwide...so if that is the case can someone explain to me why the numbers are identical... The poll interviewed participants about their knowledge of international news (Iran, Egypt, Syria and Greece were included) and news that is strictly for domestic consumption (Republican primaries, Congress, unemployment and the Keystone XL pipeline). The pollsters found that people were usually able to answer 1.8 out of 4 questions on foreign news, and 1.6 of 5 questions on domestic news, and that people who don’t watch any news were able to get 1.22 of the questions on domestic policy right. http://www.inquisitr.com/241677/study-fox-news-viewers-less-informed-than-those-who-watch-no-news-at-all/ Researchers at Fairleigh Dickinson University updated a study they had conducted in late 2011. That study only sampled respondents from New Jersey, where the university is located. This time, the researchers conducted a nationwide poll. The poll asked questions about international news (Iran, Egypt, Syria and Greece were included) and domestic affairs (Republican primaries, Congress, unemployment and the Keystone XL pipeline.) The pollsters found that people were usually able to answer 1.8 out of 4 questions on foreign news, and 1.6 of 5 questions on domestic news, and that people who don't watch any news were able to get 1.22 of the questions on domestic policy right. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/fox-news-less-informed-new-study_n_1538914.html Really...not even one percentage point different between a nationwide survey and one limited to NJ? Guess I caught that cause I don't watch Fox News... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimydawg___ Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I know how to google...i know how to look things up...my point was back up a statement with something other than liberal propaganda. if you are going to make a point like calling somebody stupid you should at least have the ability to have a footnote to back up the spin. What are you talking about? I simply said look things up, not insult your intelligence :/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xBiG_BoSS-911x Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) I know how to google...i know how to look things up...my point was back up a statement with something other than liberal propaganda. if you are going to make a point like calling somebody stupid you should at least have the ability to have a footnote to back up the spin. After actually reading the articles, I have a question...now the original study was only conducted in NJ, and the updated one was nationwide...so if that is the case can someone explain to me why the numbers are identical... http://www.inquisitr...no-news-at-all/ http://www.huffingto..._n_1538914.html Really...not even one percentage point different between a nationwide survey and one limited to NJ? Guess I caught that cause I don't watch Fox News... So because the numbers in the two surveys are similar, that equals a "liberal bias"? How does that makes sense? Also, if you want to talk about propaganda, Fox News (and many other network news sources, they all suck) is one of the leaders in trying to encourage going to war against Iran because of their harmless nuclear program. EDIT: I apologize telling you "Lrn2google", the burden of proof should be on grimy and I because we brought up the topic of the survey. I would advise checking our facts though . Edited June 29, 2012 by xBiG_BoSS-911x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSXtreme_ Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 So because the numbers in the two surveys are similar, that equals a "liberal bias"? How does that makes sense? Also, if you want to talk about propaganda, Fox News (and many other network news sources, they all suck) is one of the leaders in trying to encourage going to war against Iran because of their harmless nuclear program. EDIT: I apologize telling you "Lrn2google", the burden of proof should be on grimy and I because we brought up the topic of the survey. I would advise checking our facts though . The reported results aren't "similar"...they are exactly the same. You don't find that at least a little bit suspect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielVT Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 dude are you serious.!! .Republicans, really. when you start working for anything in your life with a family to support. then talk. you still My hommie. Thank you for sharing a differing opinion without trashing me personally. Oh, and for the record, I am glad to still be your "hommie" I have started to work, but I don't have my own family so I will get back to you once I do...........give me a few years though! The reported results aren't "similar"...they are exactly the same. You don't find that at least a little bit suspect? I think it is a bit suspect. Wow, less than a day and already over 50 replies. A hot subject indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 This is why I never participate in political debates. People are too tied in with their own parties and anyone else is just an idiot. Not speaking of people here but things I've noticed on the multiple forums I'm part if. Regardless, I really couldn't care less who's President, they all promise things they know they can't uphold, and they all blame their problems on the previous President. I did like RIck Perry though. Not because of his political views or anything but because I though he was hilarious, he reminded me of Bush. I'd watch interviews and bust out laughing at how goofy he was but when I watch Romney or Obama I'm bored to tears. I'll also let it be known that I am very up to date with current politics but I choose not to discuss on a public forum. It never seems to end well and a lot of people take things personally and I'd hate for someone to think different of me just because we disagree on politics. And with that said... Parker 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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