Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Dreakon13 said: If it's the first time, it's not a very old retort... Generally speaking it is. "Anyone who play these games becomes a child molester." ...albeit in the same way that anyone who murders people in vidya becomes a serial killer, but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt the Dog Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said: I wasn't aware this game existed 10 years ago. It's not a concern for the rights or well-being of fictional children, but the mindset of those who lust after them. FWIW, in like three and a half weeks, it will be. Though apart from that, there have been pervy games like this since at least like, 2007 or so when SNK released a DS game where you could use the touch screen to "inspect" girls suspected of being witches or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Jigsy1 said: Generally speaking it is. "Anyone who play these games becomes a child molester." ...albeit in the same way that anyone who murders people in vidya becomes a serial killer, but I digress. Ok, I can't say I hear the first one very often but I don't follow these games. That's not what I was saying anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefourfoldroot Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Walt the Dog said: people would know better than to equate their personal discomfort with something with actual ethical issues. Oh, if only people could disconnect personal discomfort from rational criticism and what “ought” to be! Alas, the world is not so blessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNocturnalOwl Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, AlonMercer said: It's really interesting how we've evolved over the last couple of years. 10 years ago this game wasn't an issue to many people but now, now it is an issue. A lot of people didn't know about it, that's why, and the people who did are the ones that would seek it out and accept it. These kinds of games weren't Manhunt or Grand Theft Auto, if they were that well known ten years ago I'm sure news networks and moms would be showing concerns. Over the last ten years the gaming community has expanded, and because of forums like this people are more aware what's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dieselmanchild Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Darling Baphomet said: Check out the argument understander over here who thinks being against pedophilia means you're a fascist. Clearly this is not really pedophilia or it wouldn’t exist as a video game in the first place. Is this game disgusting and creepy in the way it sexualizes young girls? Why yes it is, but so is the majority of other anime. This is just one of many reasons why I’ve always thought anime was lame, and that the adult weeb culture surrounding it is disturbing and creepy as hell. But that is not the issue at hand here - the issue for most is aggressive censorship, and the way companies (and individuals) keep bowing down and giving in to the relentless pressure of these faceless outrage mobs with their itchy Twitter fingers. I’m tired of seeing companies, especially in the entertainment industry, constantly apologizing or being forced to change their original artistic vision because they’re either so scared of offending somebody somewhere, or because they are relentlessly bullied into submission when they unwittingly do so. It’s become virtually impossible for me to ignore the rampant censorship and increasing sensitivity to anything remotely offensive sweeping across Western culture any longer, and the way these progressive, social-media outrage mobs bully, harass, mock, and ridicule anybody who doesn’t conform to their ideology (ex. see your response to me, attempting to mock me and suggesting I support pedophilia). And it’s equally hard to ignore the irony in how much this kind of strict social regimentation and aggressive oppression of any opposition/dissenting opinions resembles the tactics of some of history’s most extreme ideologies on the other side. You people don’t even seem self-aware enough to recognize the fact that history is repeating itself, which is what is truly terrifying to me. Cancel culture is a cancer that is destroying everything. Hopefully I’ve done a better job at explaining my point of view in a way you can understand, but considering you’re the kind of edgy dude who uses phrases like “argument understander” and quotes Karl Marx in his signature, I am not really holding my breath. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefourfoldroot Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 47 minutes ago, LockheedPrime said: YES, Nintendo right now is ignoring the rules and Sony was letting Japanese 3rd party devs ignore the rules early this gen and last gen just like Nintendo is right now, these are global guidelines, these Japanese devs either get down with it or get laid down, period, this is not about sexual material, you can have as much sexual material as you want in any game, Metro Exodus, Cyberpunk, TLOU2, and more, the line is at characters that appear to be young and/or in school, it's irrelevant if they are a "300 year old dragon actually in human form" if they look like a kid that's in school you've crossed the line, period https://www.siliconera.com/onechanbara-origin-producer-on-how-censorship-shouldnt-be-a-problem-going-forward/ You didn’t read your own link it says they always have to be careful about how different cultures will receive the games. They are not talking here specifically about legal guidelines. Unfortunately Japanese devs having to release through Sony and now MS have had moving guidelines from the platform holders because those guidelines are informed by PR departments and at the mercy of a society that is completely going to shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlonMercer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) edit: No point in arguing over this tbh. This is a trophy forum, shouldn't have involved myself in this discussion Edited January 2, 2021 by AlonMercer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefourfoldroot Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, dieselmanchild said: Clearly this is not really pedophilia or it wouldn’t exist as a video game in the first place. Is this game disgusting and creepy in the way it sexualizes young girls? Why yes it is, but so is the majority of other anime. This is just one of many reasons why I’ve always thought anime was lame, and that the adult weeb culture surrounding it is disturbing and creepy as hell. But that is not the issue at hand here - the issue for most is aggressive censorship, and the way companies (and individuals) keep bowing down and giving in to the relentless pressure of these faceless outrage mobs with their itchy Twitter fingers. I’m tired of seeing companies, especially in the entertainment industry, constantly apologizing or being forced to change their original artistic vision because they’re either so scared of offending somebody somewhere, or because they are relentlessly bullied into submission when they unwittingly do so. It’s become virtually impossible for me to ignore the rampant censorship and increasing sensitivity to anything remotely offensive sweeping across Western culture any longer, and the way these progressive, social-media outrage mobs bully, harass, mock, and ridicule anybody who doesn’t conform to their ideology (ex. see your response to me, attempting to mock me and suggesting I support pedophilia). And it’s equally hard to ignore the irony in how much this kind of strict social regimentation and aggressive oppression of any opposition/dissenting opinions resembles the tactics of some of history’s most extreme ideologies on the other side. You people don’t even seem self-aware enough to recognize the fact that history is repeating itself, which is what is truly terrifying to me. Cancel culture is a cancer that is destroying everything. Hopefully I’ve done a better job at explaining my point of view in a way you can understand, but considering you’re the kind of edgy dude who uses phrases like “argument understander” and quotes Karl Marx in his signature, I am not really holding my breath. Exactly my feelings. I’d give you a +1 if I hadn’t already run out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselmanchild Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, thefourfoldroot said: Exactly my feelings. I’d give you a +1 if I hadn’t already run out. Thank you, sir. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, AlonMercer said: Are they all criminals? You could argue... yes, they are. How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlonMercer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Jigsy1 said: How? edit: nuking my messages because arguing over this isn't worth it Edited January 2, 2021 by AlonMercer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Ah, okay. Honestly, I believe that's the world people are aiming for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlonMercer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) edit: nuked because this is a dumb thread and everyone is dumb for having taken part in it, especially me. Edited January 2, 2021 by AlonMercer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, AlonMercer said: It's a Japanese show, with different standards. The 17yo character is of legal age in the show, in her country. But some people believe the whole world is America/should follow American laws. Very odd but eh. Eh... devil's advocate: Someone should probably make the distinction that there's a world of difference between a 17yr old (who is borderline legal and has a decent chance of already being sexually active at that age) vs a character that looks like she's 12. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Not going to try to say where the line needs to be drawn, but I believe Sony, MS, and Nintendo each have the right to decide what rules their platform will abide regarding publishing and censorship. It's their respective companies, and they're the ones that have to deal with consequences either way. Edited January 2, 2021 by AJ_-_808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said: Eh... devil's advocate: Someone should probably make the distinction that there's a world of difference between a 17yr old (who is borderline legal and has a decent chance of already being sexually active at that age) vs a character that looks like she's 12. The line has to be drawn somewhere Why? (I should point out I do know what Devil's Advocate is.) Edited January 2, 2021 by Jigsy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Jigsy1 said: Why? (I should point out I do know what Devil's Advocate is.) Are you seriously asking why a distinction has to be made between a nearly legal minor and someone years away from legal age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 In a fictional context? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darling Baphomet Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, dieselmanchild said: And it’s equally hard to ignore the irony in how much this kind of strict social regimentation and aggressive oppression of any opposition/dissenting opinions resembles the tactics of some of history’s most extreme ideologies on the other side. You people don’t even seem self-aware enough to recognize the fact that history is repeating itself, which is what is truly terrifying to me. Cancel culture is a cancer that is destroying everything. If you're going to accuse other people of lacking self-awareness, you might want to do so in a separate post from your essay about how being opposed to borderline pedophilia is fascist. If you look at the world today, and it's opposition to the exploitation of minors that reminds you most of fascist regimes, you must live a pitiful, sheltered existence. There are scores of real world issues that display actual resemblances to fascism and people on the internet disagreeing with you about child porn is not one of them. Side note: projection is often a symptom of a lack of self-awareness. Edited January 2, 2021 by Darling Baphomet 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jigsy1 said: In a fictional context? Yes. Devil's advocate means I'm not supporting your argument, but neutrally speaking: A 17yr old (and possibly 16) is a bit more believable than a 12 yr old based on the current standards of society Dont hide behind the "it's fictional" arguement please. Just because you're not going to go out and molest a minor after playing/watching, it's still designed to stimulate that same urge, regardless of whether or not it affects you personally. Bottom line is, the platform holders get to decide what is run on their platform and they're the ones that deal with the consequences whether those are angry customers or over the top social media protesters. They're going to pick whatever gives them the lesser headache Edited January 2, 2021 by AJ_-_808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said: Dont hide behind the "it's fictional" arguement please. Oh, I do apologize. I wasn't aware I had to debate my side based on your terms. Especially when it's a pretty important part of the conversation. 9 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said: Just because you're not going to go out and tape a molest a minor after playing/watching, it's still designed to stimulate that same urge, regardless of whether or not it affects you personally. So why are "crime simulators" (GTA) perfectly acceptable, then? Edited January 2, 2021 by Jigsy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mighty_Ducks Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Sigh.. Whats the point of having an ESRB anymore.. All I know is Nintendo is getting my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDGES Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, thefourfoldroot said: You didn’t read your own link it says they always have to be careful about how different cultures will receive the games. They are not talking here specifically about legal guidelines. Unfortunately Japanese devs having to release through Sony and now MS have had moving guidelines from the platform holders because those guidelines are informed by PR departments and at the mercy of a society that is completely going to shit wrong, he says how even before they knew they were crossing over into grey areas, but they got a pass, that's the only reason they were allowed before, because they were getting PASSES from Sony, it was NEVER right, now they just don't get the pass anymore from Sony, Nintendo still gives them the "PASS" for now, but that can change any minute Edited January 2, 2021 by LockheedPrime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, The_Mighty_Ducks said: Sigh.. Whats the point of having an ESRB anymore.. All I know is Nintendo is getting my money. Ok, I am done with this and the other thread. My last comment will be your avatar is of the character Mathilda from Leon who is 12 years old but tries to enter into a relationship with an older man. I just find that a funny connection considering what people here are trying to defend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_-_808 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jigsy1 said: Oh, I do apologize. I wasn't aware I had to debate on your terms. So why are "crime simulators" (GTA) perfectly acceptable, then? The crux of your argument is "they aren't real so it's ok. Also it's acceptable in japan" correct? Well this isnt Japan. As I stated, real or not, it's still designed to appeal to a certain, currently unacceptable/tabooed behavior. Something like GTA has it's share of controversy too, so dont think it gets a free pass. However, it's still allowed because western society is largely desensitized to violence I suppose. Same reason we have mafia movies, but porn movies are stigmatized. The line was drawn at kiddy porn because the majority said so. If you don't like it, you're free to go somewhere it's accepted? Or you can keep throwing rocks at the wall and hope it cracks one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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