Pc Master Race...

[A12]

It's a cultural side effect.

Ignore it, and be human.

+1 for lock.

[Saltyie]

Piracy is still a huge part of PC gaming today, take a look at the 'Best Developer ever' CD Projekt Red, who said they will never make another PC exclusive game after nearly half the witcher 2's players illegally downloaded the game. 

 

Is Console gaming holding PC gaming back? Maybe? No.

 

Yes, its true that if every console owner dropped what they were doing and bought a PC, PC gaming would be the dominate system as a result, and developers would focus solely on PC, but isnt that obvious? How many console gamers don't want to get a new graphics card every 2 years? Or risk a poor quality game? How many console gamers just want to play a game, shoot some people, and go to bed? What difference is there in core gameplay mechanics in Call of Duty? Can I shoot someone in the head exclusively on PC? No. 

 

If anything, console gaming drives the gaming industry. Imagine if all Console gamers dropped dead, leaving PC gamers the only viable market to make games for. Would these games become ultra-realistic in a year? Hell no. If anything, big name AAA companies will likely collapse under their own weight (Look at Advanced Warfare's 30,000 PC players compared to Consoles millions).

 

We live in harmony at the moment, but these '#PCMASTERRACE' comments are not as jokey and innocent as they used to be, it has now been turned into an insult almost. As a console gamer, I am not a casual gamer, and I have no desire to get a PC any soon. 

[DaScorpio_]

The fact that they actually discussed properly like normal human would makes me regain faith in humanity (  )  unlike when you would go to some article which supports either pc or console and then hell would break loose and the 2 sides would curse each other 

[Xxleonardo97xX]

Whether or not developers are producing bad console-to-PC ports because of piracy does not excuse them from releasing technically unstable, or flat out broken, games. In doing this, they're only doing themselves harm. They're continuing to make the problem worse. In fact, bad PC ports, and games that are unstable or broken, are one of the reasons why people pirate games to begin with. Is it the only reason? Of course not, but I've already said what other reasons there are for people doing so.

Many people feel that, if a developer releases a game whose technical performance is terrible, and whose options do not allow for the consumer to adjust settings to suit their PC's specs, then they don't deserve to be payed for said game. In that case, then I have to say that I agree with them. They don't. If your game is broken, if it runs poorly due to poor optimisation and/or other technical issues that are the fault of the developer, not someone's PC, you don't deserve to be payed for that game. Do a good job, make sure your game works, make sure it's well optimised so that it runs as well as it should, and I'll happily pay for it.

That being said, I wait for a games release to see whether or not it has any performance issues, and only then do I consider purchasing it. I myself do not pirate.

There is also the fact that consoles are generally easier to develop for and have a larger consumer base because of their availability and ease of use. That cannot be forgotten.

PCs most certainly can, and do, offer that. You just have to shop smart. You also don't need to continuously upgrade a PC. The initial purchase might be greater, yes, but you can upgrade your PC at the same rate as one would upgrade a new console. You don't need to build an entirely new computer from scratch, but merely upgrade a part here and there, and this would still be cheaper than an entirely new console.

You must also take into account that PC games generally cost a lot less, and with platforms like Steam, you have a lot of sales on offer, which are far greater, far more often, than those seen on consoles.

 

Tell me a PC from 2007 that can run The Last of Us (with the graphics seen on ps3).

 

That PC might have cost 2000€ back then whereas the PS3 costed 600€. That old ps3 can play TLOU with those graphics, but I don't know any PC that can play across 7 years of gaming.

 

Overall console gaming is cheaper, one console lasts years without replacing parts, and the games are just a bit more expensive 10-20€ (brand new AAA) so it's smart to buy 1-3 year old games for consoles because they're pretty cheap too.

[lildude9763]

Thanks for the answers and keeping it somewhat civilized. Seems like to me Pc gamers WANT to believe that it is Pc master race, and try to make themselves feel better by calling console gamers console peasants.

[Dreakon13]

What a great discussion you guys were having, I love it!

 

I'm coming off a roughly two year stint of PC gaming, mostly because the PS3 is still so enticing to this day that I can't commit to any one platform.  Built my mid-to-high range $1000 gaming PC back in December of 2012.  In that time, I've learned two things...

 

- PC games are ridiculously cheap these days...

- Anyone that says PC gamers are more "mature" or less "childish" than the console communities are full of the worst kind of shit.

 

The Steam forums for any new releases are completely unusable.  People spamming them to oblivion because their seemingly adequate PC (god knows what they've done to it though) does not masterfully run the game at a consistent 60fps.  I shit you not, I've actually seen scenarios where more people who ADMITTEDLY DON'T OWN THE GAME (usually because "I wouldn't play this trash if it were free") complaining more than those who do about how well a game runs... and the same 10 people (who, again, may or may not have the game) are so busy violently informing the idiots who actually listen to them that "I told you so" about predicting the game being terrible and anyone defending the game are just trying to justify a bad purchase, despite the other thousands of gamers are too busy playing the games to notice.  Anything that isn't perfect, is a personal insult... and they'll stick it to anyone that disagrees with them.

 

It's a miserable place.  So bad that it's almost pushing me back to console, all on it's own.  Wouldn't shock me for a second if some of them actually believed that "master race" garbage.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Dreakon13

[Dr_Mayus]

That part on "porn on internt" made me laugh. Who needs porn when you got the real thing?

 

Anyways I haven't been a serious PC gamer in almost 2 decades and honestly I don't miss it. Consoles simply have more games that are worth playing and I have my laptop available so I can browse the Internet, skype with friends and do the all important Tax Return at the same time that I am playing my PS3 so I am not missing out on much

[Lady Lilith]

I find that it's just easier for me to play games on consoles/handhelds than my PC.  For me, PCs are just for internet and chatting.  I find it hard to focus on PC games.

[SoliDeoGloriaIHS]

Alright.  Here's my two cents.  This does seem to be a growing trend.  I'm on IGN almost every day and whenever I see a post from a pc gamer, it's usually this crap.  "PC MASTER RACE!!", "Console peasants", etc., etc.  And yes, they all seem to have this need to have to tell the world how they spent - $3,500.00, $4,000.00 and up - on their gaming rig and how the graphics "are so much better."  And yet, none of them ever talks about playing games or how great such-and-such a game is.  A lot of them just seem to enjoy stroking themselves.

[devourerplease]

Rule of thumb:  Making sweeping generalizations about any type of gamer is bad.  The same people misusing the "master race" shtick are the same type of people who will fight tooth-and-nail to defend their favorite console.  There are immature console gamers just like there are immature PC gamers;  it doesn't suddenly change once you purchase a PC or a console.

 

And no, you DON'T have to spend upwards of $2000 to build a PC that performs on the level of a PS4, but rather, closer to $700: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dy9vNG

[antithesis]

Alright.  Here's my two cents.  This does seem to be a growing trend.  I'm on IGN almost every day and whenever I see a post from a pc gamer, it's usually this crap.  "PC MASTER RACE!!", "Console peasants", etc., etc.  And yes, they all seem to have this need to have to tell the world how they spent - $3,500.00, $4,000.00 and up - on their gaming rig and how the graphics "are so much better."  And yet, none of them ever talks about playing games or how great such-and-such a game is.  A lot of them just seem to enjoy stroking themselves.

 

Again...I was that guy in the days prior to the last generation. The gap between PS2 and PC was substantial. The gap between PS3 and PC far less so. The gap between PS4 and PC is now so close that it's irrelevant.

 

Near enough is good enough, which renders the whole "PC Master Race" debate obsolete. I don't give a flickety fuck about 4K resolution or multi-screen gaming - it's an expensive distraction. If I get 1080p at 60FPS on a 24" screen, that's great. But I'm equally happy with 720p at 30FPS. I play and complete FAR more games on console than I ever did on PC, because the process of simply playing a game is bulletproof.

 

A PS3 is a PS3 is a PS3...the same game works the same way for all of us (with a few outlier exceptions). PC games have to scale to ridiculous heights and pathetic lows, factoring in a myriad of hardware and software configurations. It's a fractured, dirty mess, only exacerbated by the performance handbrake that is Windows. Read up on the performance increases Valve got by migrating their games to Linux for Steam OS.

 

The ONLY thing that'll bring me back to PC gaming is a consolised Steam Machine and an Oculus Rift headset. Even then, we're talking shits-and-giggles territory for games like Star Citizen. Everything else I'll play on consoles...I'm well and truly over tinkering for endless hours with PC performance to squeeze every last frame-per-second instead of just playing games.

 

And no, you DON'T have to spend upwards of $2000 to build a PC that performs on the level of a PS4, but rather, closer to $700: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Dy9vNG

You missed the part about spending twice as much for a PS4-level PC, only for it to last half as long.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ant1th3s1s

[Dreakon13]

Rule of thumb:  Making sweeping generalizations about any type of gamer is bad.

 

Valid, but if I hear one more PC gamer tell me that "30fps is unplayable" and actually mean it... I'm going to kick a baby.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Dreakon13

[ZeroXOF]

 

Again...I was that guy in the days prior to the last generation. The gap between PS2 and PC was substantial. The gap between PS3 and PC far less so. The gap between PS4 and PC is now so close that it's irrelevant.

 

Near enough is good enough, which renders the whole "PC Master Race" debate obsolete. I don't give a flickety fuck about 4K resolution or multi-screen gaming - it's an expensive distraction. If I get 1080p at 60FPS on a 24" screen, that's great. But I'm equally happy with 720p at 30FPS. I play and complete FAR more games on console than I ever did on PC, because the process of simply playing a game is bulletproof.

 

A PS3 is a PS3 is a PS3...the same game works the same way for all of us (with a few outlier exceptions). PC games have to scale to ridiculous heights and pathetic lows, factoring in a myriad of hardware and software configurations. It's a fractured, dirty mess, only exacerbated by the performance handbrake that is Windows. Read up on the performance increases Valve got by migrating their games to Linux for Steam OS.

 

The ONLY thing that'll bring me back to PC gaming is a consolised Steam Machine and an Oculus Rift headset. Even then, we're talking shits-and-giggles territory for games like Star Citizen. Everything else I'll play on consoles...I'm well and truly over tinkering for endless hours with PC performance to squeeze every last frame-per-second instead of just playing games.

 

You missed the part about spending twice as much for a PS4-level PC, only for it to last half as long.

 

Saying stuff like that is clearly untrue. Also your doing it again where you use your experience as a statement for all PC gamers. All basic PC gamers know there is three settings in making a pc and what it can do. 

[antithesis]

Saying stuff like that is clearly untrue.

 

What's untrue? Do your research. I dare say with over 20 years of PC gaming experience under my belt, I might know a little bit more about the subject than you.

 

As it relates to the "Costs twice as much, lasts half as long"...you can't argue the point. A PC gaming rig built to similar specs as a PS4 costs twice as much. Based on recent trends, the average life-cycle of a console generation is 6 to 7 years. The PS3 is 7 1/2 years old, and still going strong. Can you play a recent release of the visual quality of The Last of Us on a 7 1/2 year old PC? I didn't think so... If you want to play the latest and greatest PC games, the average life-cycle is 3 to 4 years tops before you're forced to upgrade your mobo, RAM, CPU, and / or GPU. It is a fact that gaming PCs have shorter shelf-lives than consoles. Research (and experience) is your friend.

 

Also your doing it again where you use your experience as a statement for all PC gamers.

 

I'm doing what again? Stating an opinion? What are you, the opinion police? Count how many "I's" are in my post. That's a subjective perspective, not objective. I'm not about to preface every statement with "In my humble opinion..." or "Research suggests..." - it's up to you to fill in the mental blanks. This is a forum, 99.9% of posts have an invisible "In my opinion..." 

 

All basic PC gamers know there is three settings in making a pc and what it can do.

 

Sphincter says what now? So I can't make a generalised statement, but apparently you speak for "All basic PC gamers". Pot, meet kettle.

 

If that's the case, all basic PC users don't know shit about tweaking game settings. There are significantly more options than Low, Medium and High settings for most, if not all PC games. I'm happy to post a screenshot of the Video settings for any one of hundreds of Steam games I own on PC or Mac to prove the point. But common-sense dictates that it's stating the fucking obvious.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ant1th3s1s

[devourerplease]

You missed the part about spending twice as much for a PS4-level PC, only for it to last half as long.

 

Trust me, hardware failure is something that the PS4 is not immune from.  As long as your PC is well taken care of, it will last as long as a PS4 will.  Furthermore, warranties are generally better on the PC side, and you have the benefit of replacing a single part as opposed to an entire console.

 

You're more than welcome to not like PC gaming, but let's not pretend there aren't benefits to it versus console-based gaming.

[Guest]

Valid, but if I hear one more PC gamer tell me that "30fps is unplayable" and actually mean it... I'm going to kick a baby.

 

30fps is unplayable. (huehuehue)

[antithesis]

Trust me, hardware failure is something that the PS4 is not immune from.  As long as your PC is well taken care of, it will last as long as a PS4 will.  Furthermore, warranties are generally better on the PC side, and you have the benefit of replacing a single part as opposed to an entire console.

 

I'm not talking about hardware, I'm talking about software. In 7 years time, will your $700 PC play the latest PC games? Not a chance in hell.

The only reason the phrase "PC Master Race" exists is because PC gaming is in one eternal upgrade cycle. Casualties mount up along the sidelines with every new mobo, GPU, RAM and CPU iteration.

 

You're more than welcome to not like PC gaming, but let's not pretend there aren't benefits to it versus console-based gaming.

I love PC gaming. But I don't need PC gaming. I see many more benefits of focusing my gaming time on consoles than vice-versa.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ant1th3s1s

[devourerplease]

 I'm not talking about hardware, I'm talking about software. In 7 years time, will your $700 PC play the latest PC games? Not a chance in hell.

 

The PC exclusives?  Maybe not at max settings, but multiplats should be fine given the PC-like architecture of the new consoles, it'll handle it in close approximation to how the consoles handle it, especially since we'll see better multi-core optimization due to the fact that the consoles have eight cores.  We're also seeing the rise of Linux as a viable OS for gaming, which should be considerably lighter on PCs than Windows currently is.

[antithesis]

The PC exclusives?  Maybe not at max settings, but multiplats should be fine given the PC-like architecture of the new consoles

 

Ergo, rendering the whole "PC Master Race" argument moot. If PC gaming needs to support 7 year old (and older) legacy hardware architecture, then it is not constantly creating and pushing new boundaries, which are only enabled with faster, better and smarter components.

 

3 to 4 years is the more realistic life-cycle if PC gaming is to evolve. It's been that way for the 25 years I've owned a PC, it's not changing anytime soon and it has nothing to do with consoles holding it back.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ant1th3s1s

[devourerplease]

Ergo, rendering the whole "PC Master Race" argument obsolete. If PC gaming needs to support 7 year old (and older) legacy hardware architecture, then it is not constantly creating and pushing new boundaries, which are only enabled with faster, better and smarter hardware.

 

No argument there, I've never thought that PC gaming was the best way to go, nor do I think consoles are.  I think the industry benefits from the inclusion of both ecosystems, and they're both tailored for different types of people.

 

I love PC gaming and console gaming for different reasons entirely, but I do love both of them.

[antithesis]

No argument there, I've never thought that PC gaming was the best way to go, nor do I think consoles are.  I think the industry benefits from the inclusion of both ecosystems, and they're both tailored for different types of people.

I agree, however I'd hazard a guess that a fair percentage of PC gamers also own consoles and vice-versa, so it's the same overall target market.

I own all gaming platforms because no matter what the game, I can play it. I don't care about the label, I only care if it's any good. I find the dick-waving contests of fanboys, no matter their allegiance, utterly inane. Put yourself into a box and you miss out on same great gaming experiences. Pride comes before a fall, and statements like "PC Master Race" are dumb-ass in the extreme.

 

I love PC gaming and console gaming for different reasons entirely, but I do love both of them.

Remove Windows from the equation and I'll agree there too. I won't buy another Windows PC, but I will consider one powered by Steam OS...and I can always dual-boot if needed.

For me, it used to be shooters and strategy on PC, everything else on console. But smart little devices like www.xim4.com mean I can play my shooters on console with mouse & keyboard, so I can comfortably live without a PC. Seriously, if it wasn't for the Xim, I'd still be a dyed-in-the-wool PC gamer.

I'll probably always own a PC, but I'm not making the same investment into a bleeding-edge, custom-built gaming rig as I've always done previously. A small box to slot alongside my other consoles so I can play the increasingly rare PC-exclusive I'm interested in will do me just fine. If I have to replace my PC console every 3 years, so be it...it's still cheaper than building a rig.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ant1th3s1s

[Dr_Mayus]

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The only reason the phrase "PC Master Race" exists is because PC gaming is in one eternal upgrade cycle. Casualties mount up along the sidelines with every new mobo, GPU, RAM and CPU iteration.

 

 

Actually it is because Yahtzee is funny and most PC gamers didn't get that he was kind of making fun of them when he said it

 

[Ichiban-Hybrid]

"PC Master Race" is a joke. No matter how powerful your comptuer is, it aint gonna make better games..

[ZeroXOF]

What's untrue? Do your research. I dare say with over 20 years of PC gaming experience under my belt, I might know a little bit more about the subject than you.

 

As it relates to the "Costs twice as much, lasts half as long"...you can't argue the point. A PC gaming rig built to similar specs as a PS4 costs twice as much. Based on recent trends, the average life-cycle of a console generation is 6 to 7 years. The PS3 is 7 1/2 years old, and still going strong. Can you play a recent release of the visual quality of The Last of Us on a 7 1/2 year old PC? I didn't think so... If you want to play the latest and greatest PC games, the average life-cycle is 3 to 4 years tops before you're forced to upgrade your mobo, RAM, CPU, and / or GPU. It is a fact that gaming PCs have shorter shelf-lives than consoles. Research (and experience) is your friend.

 

 

I'm doing what again? Stating an opinion? What are you, the opinion police? Count how many "I's" are in my post. That's a subjective perspective, not objective. I'm not about to preface every statement with "In my humble opinion..." or "Research suggests..." - it's up to you to fill in the mental blanks. This is a forum, 99.9% of posts have an invisible "In my opinion..." 

 

 

Sphincter says what now? So I can't make a generalised statement, but apparently you speak for "All basic PC gamers". Pot, meet kettle.

 

If that's the case, all basic PC users don't know shit about tweaking game settings. There are significantly more options than Low, Medium and High settings for most, if not all PC games. I'm happy to post a screenshot of the Video settings for any one of hundreds of Steam games I own on PC or Mac to prove the point. But common-sense dictates that it's stating the fucking obvious.

 

So I read your post and the last bit erk me a little. I said in creating a PC not it's graphical capability and even the most basic person should know that. The only thing you got me is the opinions part and even then, you should not act so self righteous. 

 

The last of us bit maybe true but the framerate and resolution would not be problem for any 2007 mid-end pc. Also some PC users have built a pc level ps4 near to the same pc or a bit higher.  

[Neputyunu]

I dont think the consoles are holding the pc back.

In my opinion, there are two groups doing that.

 

1. Publishers who want every game on every plattform.

2. PC-Users.

 

Really, when WindowsXP came out? 2001? Is it dead now? No!

WindowsXP used DirectX9.

Nobody cared about Windows Vista, but it had DirectX10.

Now with Windows7, the PC-Users are blocking themself again, because Windows7 got DirectX11 and most people are hating Windows8 / 8.1 which will get DirectX12 in future. Windows7 gets the new WindowsXP.

 

So, there are two things, the "Masterrace" should do:

1. boycott Multiplattform-Publishers and play just pc-exclusive games. They way meant to be fapped.

2. Update to a newer version of Windows.

 

Also there are many people hating Windows and spread themself over thousands of Linux-versions or OSX.

So, what should the Devs do? Bringing Games for XP (DX9), 7 (DX11), 8 (DX12), OSX and thousands of Linux?

Its their own fault, really, PC-Gamers are just a bunch of idiots which are thinking they deserved the best, because they got the most expensive hardware.

 

For pc-games I use a seven years old laptop and I dont care about graphics and so.