Boooda Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 We both live in Ontario, where it is legal for woman to be topless in public. So I'm still waiting, or shall we all gtfo? It's far too cold, we should definitely gtfo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I wondered why I just heard the sound of thousands of weeb souls crying in anguish. All those HDN fans are gonna be pissed. Why would that happen? Iffy just said "We will not bring any non-our IP games that require censoring", nothing serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigressLion Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 It's far too cold, we should definitely gtfo. It's not cold until it's -40C and woman are wearing skirts and knee boots complaining its cold. I have yet to hear the whinings of the "winter women". Also, the birds haven't migrated yet. God damn seagulls and pidgeons need to gtfo not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazar_Ops Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 This is mostly an US issue, because EU doesn't have those SJWs as in US. So why do we have to suffer because of US? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVader66 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) This is mostly an US issue, because EU doesn't have those SJWs as in US. So why do we have to suffer because of US? Because US is a bigger market than the EU and if they won't sell to the US there is lesser chance that EU will get it. On behalf of the American Game Industry, I am sorry for SJW problem we have created and as you can see since Atari downfall in 1983 we still haven't recovered to full health. Edit: I just remember that it says Idea Factory won't localize games but what if they mean that someone else will, like NISA was the publisher for North America and Koei Tecmo for Europe (though both those companies don't seem to be friendly with Iffy anymore and Koei Tecmo already has it's own problems to deal with.) Edited December 8, 2015 by TheVader66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyreth Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A lot of people don't seem to understand the topic. It says they won't be localizing games that need censoring and not that they won't localizing games in the west ever again. Most of IF's games will still be available, you'll just need to import certain ones. Meh. Just import. I don't see what the big deal is with the west for sexualized women. Like how are some of these games any different than the Porn that gets made and published in the west? Or games like Dragon Age/Witcher that have sex scenes in them? Doesn't make sense they'll overlook those but when it comes to Japanese games..Haha, that's the thing, there's actually a difference. The censoring is usually due to some the characters looking underaged rather than straight up fanservice or oversexualization, but they obviously won't say that In Mass Effect, Dragon Age and The Witcher the characters being portrayed are all adults. So even if it did get backlash, it wouldn't be such a big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 someone else will, like NISA A lot of people don't seem to understand the topic. It says they won't be localizing games that need censoring and not that they won't localizing games in the west ever again. Most of IF's games will still be available, you'll just need to import certain ones. Yatta! Finally someone understands =D Sasuga, Nattchan =D This is mostly an US issue, because EU doesn't have those SJWs as in US. So why do we have to suffer because of US? Well, it is. But as I already discussed with Nattchan in DOA topic, the games first go to US to be approved in the West. Unfortunately, it's not like EU could get something and US not... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugoslav_Jelash Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 the games first go to US to be approved in the West. Unfortunately, it's not like EU could get something and US not... Countless games were released in US, but not in EU - no one bats an eye. Three games are coming out in EU, but the company has no plans on releasing them in US - whoosh! Operation Rainfall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazar_Ops Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Because US is a bigger market than the EU and if they won't sell to the US there is lesser chance that EU will get it. On behalf of the American Game Industry, I am sorry for SJW problem we have created and as you can see since Atari downfall in 1983 we still haven't recovered to full health. Edit: I just remember that it says Idea Factory won't localize games but what if they mean that someone else will, like NISA was the publisher for North America and Koei Tecmo for Europe (though both those companies don't seem to be friendly with Iffy anymore and Koei Tecmo already has it's own problems to deal with.) Even if it is, not releasing in EU is still a stupid move. Yes the market is bigger in the US but it doesn't mean that you should write off the EU release too because then you won't get any sales at all in west. Seems like a stupid business decision in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMON Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A lot of people don't seem to understand the topic. It says they won't be localizing games that need censoring and not that they won't localizing games in the west ever again. Most of IF's games will still be available, you'll just need to import certain ones.Haha, that's the thing, there's actually a difference. The censoring is usually due to some the characters looking underaged rather than straight up fanservice or oversexualization, but they obviously won't say that In Mass Effect, Dragon Age and The Witcher the characters being portrayed are all adults. So even if it did get backlash, it wouldn't be such a big deal. Ah. I didn't think of that really; forgot that happens. But still, if you really wanted these games, importing is never really out of the question. Unless they that bad they get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt the Dog Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 A lot of people don't seem to understand the topic. It says they won't be localizing games that need censoring and not that they won't localizing games in the west ever again. Most of IF's games will still be available, you'll just need to import certain ones.Haha, that's the thing, there's actually a difference. The censoring is usually due to some the characters looking underaged rather than straight up fanservice or oversexualization, but they obviously won't say that In Mass Effect, Dragon Age and The Witcher the characters being portrayed are all adults. So even if it did get backlash, it wouldn't be such a big deal. This, basically. As someone who has witnessed the various controversies on NISA's own forums, the only reasons that have ever been given were along the lines of "The ESRB would give us an AO rating" or "certain countries in Europe wouldn't let the game be rated due to its content." The issue of feminism hasn't ever been brought up, at least not publicly, as a reason to avoid localization until DOAX3, and even then, KT went out and said that the words of the PR rep that said that did not reflect the opinions of KT as a whole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel_Shadow170 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I don't blame any company for not bringing their game here most americans are p***y's and can't handle videogames or real life gotta wonder if the internet did more harm then good raising such a weak generation. Edited December 8, 2015 by ShadowStrike002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrickenBiged Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Speaking generally, it seems weird to me that the West has all these hyper-violent games where characters can literally rip each other limb from limb, but a bit of side-boob sends us over the edge. In my experience, the USA seems to be worse for this sort of prudishness than the UK, (although we seem to be getting that way too in some circles). I remember the first time one of my American cousins came to stay. We were just watching some drama on TV, and the characters started having sex. You could see full body nudity, (although the actors' genitals were hidden behind the woman's thigh and they probably had those magical, skin tone, seamless underpants-for-movies on too.) He giggled like a schoolgirl and couldn't believe that this was being broadcast on terrestrial television, despite him being in his late 20's at the time. Edit: I even watched a US programme about a doggy grooming shop once. They pixelated the dogs' genitals in that too! As if kids' fragile minds are going to be fried by a dog's dick! Adults have sex, and it's important to most of those that do. If games want to grow up, then our games should start exploring themes around sex in an open and explicit way. It doesn't have to be seedy. The great artists of the past managed to show full nudity and now their works hang in museums. The movie 9 Songs was praised for it's daring. Maybe we don't have the technology to do a good enough sex-game yet, but once we do I hope someone does something which is more than just titillation with the topic. #BoobsNotBullets Edited December 8, 2015 by StrickenBiged 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasty_Rory Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I dont understand any of this situation. The Japanese are complaining about censorship of games but they heavily censor their run of the mill porn. The serious hardcore stuff doesnt seem to suffer the same restrictions. The USA censor everything thats transmitted into the public forum. Nevermind or Bummed or FrankenChrist - three album covers from Niravna, Happy Mondays and Dead Kennedys released in the late 80s early 90s All three censored in the USA but freely available almost everywhere else. The nevermind one is the child in the pool, the reverse cover of Bummed was a part of a poster with a shaved female pubic area, and the kennedys was the famous Penis Landscape, or Work 219: Landscape XX that actually became a matter for the courts to resolve. In the end all 3 are classed as art and what are games if not art? Its not the censorship thats the problem here, games localisation is expensive so that all the text and language is correct - even more so in Europe where there are many languages involved. Thats generally the problem. Not a bit of side boob. #BoobsNotBullets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVader66 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Why does Europe hate NISA, I am actually curious now because you are not the first person that cringed when I mentioned NISA Even if it is, not releasing in EU is still a stupid move. Yes the market is bigger in the US but it doesn't mean that you should write off the EU release too because then you won't get any sales at all in west. Seems like a stupid business decision in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, it is a stupid decision that EU gets affected by the US shenanigans. I would be happy if they spared Europe because if companies ban video games to the US, I can just buy them from the UK (though the US dollar is super weak there) since they will have the english copies. (I don't know japanese because my school district got its funds drained because of one of the schools hired more teachers than they needed and build so much useless stuff, so when the district went broke some classes were cut from all schools: Woodshop, Engineering, German and Japanese Class, though did comeback.....................after I graduated. In fact they have a yacht club now, like WTF) Edited December 9, 2015 by TheVader66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegirlruka Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Question: Is Hong Kong considered west? I'm kinda pissed that the games won't be localized but as long as HK gets the games there's a chance at the games being in english. I don't personally have issues with importing games, but yeah... still pretty bad news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVader66 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) Question: Is Hong Kong considered west? I'm kinda pissed that the games won't be localized but as long as HK gets the games there's a chance at the games being in english. I don't personally have issues with importing games, but yeah... still pretty bad news. I don't think so, Hong Kong like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan just have a Western Ideology but they are all still considered Eastern because of culture, philosophy and geography. Edited December 9, 2015 by TheVader66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Question: Is Hong Kong considered west? I'm kinda pissed that the games won't be localized but as long as HK gets the games there's a chance at the games being in english. I don't personally have issues with importing games, but yeah... still pretty bad news. Nah, it's an eastern country. I think the reason why HK gets the english speaking is due to tourism and expats living in HK. Sucks for people tho, importing is simple but can be costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegirlruka Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Nah, it's an eastern country. I think the reason why HK gets the english speaking is due to tourism and expats living in HK. Sucks for people tho, importing is simple but can be costly. I don't think so, Hong Kong like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan just have a Western Ideology but they are all still considered Eastern because of culture, philosophy and geography. It was a joke It's technically west of japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It was a joke It's technically west of japan. Lol, its morning where I am, to the shame corner with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVader66 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 It was a joke It's technically west of japan. *gasp* .............Deception. Away with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesoframen Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I really wonder what is the actual social climate in the US. With Senran Kagura coming soon with no censoring, I can see Valkyrie Drive and Omega Labyrinth both being localized with no censoring. On the other hand, I'll laugh if a game like Norn9 or Hakuoki not get localized because it has to be censored (Admittedly Aksys is handling Norn9 right now and is only T rated. I mean the most weird correct decision I found in the game was being fed mouth to mouth, so I doubt anything will happen) On a side note, the interview also said no Date-A-Live for a while, T_T (admittedly I only care for the art, so not a big deal for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Why does Europe hate NISA, I am actually curious now because you are not the first person that cringed when I mentioned NISA Because their localizations are shite? Not only their censorship is on uber levels, the number of butchered "translations" is steadily raising. And I don't even want to start the bs about their stores which rips off EU customers just because they were lazy to ship to EU. Question: Is Hong Kong considered west? I'm kinda pissed that the games won't be localized but as long as HK gets the games there's a chance at the games being in english. I don't personally have issues with importing games, but yeah... still pretty bad news. Nah, West == US, we in EU are just unwanted bonus. On a side note, the interview also said no Date-A-Live for a while, T_T (admittedly I only care for the art, so not a big deal for me) Isn't DAL's problem the fact that it's licensed LN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesoframen Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Everything in this post is off topic. Because their localizations are shite? Not only their censorship is on uber levels, the number of butchered "translations" is steadily raising. And I don't even want to start the bs about their stores which rips off EU customers just because they were lazy to ship to EU. I won't deny that NISA's translations can be quite questionable, but at least they provide the original JP language track, unlike Atlas who will purposely remove all but a scant amount of Japanese. To top it off, if not Persona, they'll use a questionable quality dub. Just look at Stella Glow. Isn't DAL's problem the fact that it's licensed LN? Currently no one seems to have the rights to the novel. Only Funimation and Madman Studios have rights to the anime. The other minor issue is that the DAL games are all Compile Heart games (no Idea Factory involvment), but given their partnership, I doubt this will prove to be much of a barrier. My guess is that the biggest problem is the fact that it is 2 medium length Visual Novels with a higher translation cost than the typical Neptunia game while probably appealing to an even smaller audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAFoxAnymore Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Everything in this post is off topic. The topic is localisation, I'm confused how you claimed everything to be off topic and then immediately after quoted two on-topic posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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