Dreakon13 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The fact that you are trying to put other people experiences and then to link it to mine is baffling. So you've managed to mod in the missing functionality and interoperability? You know, the non-subjective things that are legitimate issues? Fascinating. *slow clap* Then what are you going on about if we haven't seen it yet and don't know how good it is. So... we haven't seen it yet, but you've seen glimpses? Reported? You mean you've read op eds about doom and gloom based on things we haven't seen. I never said to jailbreak your OS. I mentioned if someone releases something in UWP, and it's popular enough, someone will find a way to get it without UWP. I suppose cracking would be a more appropriate term. Microsoft, the company that makes the OS you love to play your games on, decided it needs to change and offer features to millions of other people. Cross play between PC and Xbox, games that you buy once, but run on the PC, tablet, phones and consoles, this is part of their business plan. I welcome the change. Those are some lofty goals. Microsoft is a lumbering beast, I don't see this being that successful at all. That's why I'm not worried. I don't really think this is going to change any of the PC gaming you likely do right now. It's fair to not be worried, and it's fine to appreciate the business side of things... but that doesn't make it good. I'm not going to go into the things I've already said (and yes, have experienced myself) a number of times that's wrong with the service, even beyond my own ideologies. We haven't seen their endgame yet, but what they've done and have said is already bad enough. I'm not holding my breath anymore. Edited March 14, 2016 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 So you've managed to mod in the missing functionality and interoperability? You know, the non-subjective things that are legitimate issues? Fascinating. *slow clap* I never said anything about that in the sorts, did I not say that my experience will differ from yours? Tomb Raider, worked for me. Gears, I admit the downloading part was sucking but other then that, it worked for me. Oxenfree, worked for me. Soo, yeah! The fact that you think that a near year old store is going to be on the same level as Steam is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The fact that you think that a near year old store is going to be on the same level as Steam is laughable. GFWL. They've learned nothing. If anything, they've gotten worse. Considering the "walled garden" and lacking functionality were actually intentional. Edited March 14, 2016 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigressLion Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Am I only one who find this displeasing? xbox exclusives are being got released for PC and now multi platforming. What's to point of having that console? Those will eventually make Sony slappy about PlayStation. Just no. Scrolled wayyyy to far to find this; I hope this never happens. Also, If developers do get this feature we already have "greedy" developers forcing 4 copies of a game (4 players) to get a trophy. They'll find a way to implement trophies that require you to play with players from the xbox side, which would just fuck hunting up altogether. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavergray Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Cross platform play sounds nice as an idea, but in practice it's more or less just bad. The First-Person Shooter argument is usually the first argument brought up, for good reason, but the one argument I almost never see is the difference in hardware performance argument. If you think lag caused by internet latency is bad now just wait until you have to deal with lag caused by hardware difference. The hardware in the PS4, XBONE, and WiiU/NX is more or less locked down once it's made which allows developers to custom fit each online experience to that hardware. However, the PC is a every changing system that can have drastic changes happen to it every few months. A few months after a cross platform game is released the PC version could be completely different from the console version due to stronger hardware or mods or whatever. Those drastic changes will effect any cross platform online play in a negative way. Whether it's the PC version running at 144 fps while the console version is stuck a 60fps or less, PC version having a better connection to the online servers than the console version, or some mod that does one thing or another. Even PS4 to XBONE cross platform play could be bad due to hardware difference. Even if it's something as small as a one frame of lag difference between the versions, it will cause problems that no one really wants to deal with. Edited March 14, 2016 by soultaker655 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 So when MS cannot save Xbone, they will leave it up to Sony? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 So when MS cannot save Xbone, they will leave it up to Sony? Obviously, prepare for Sony ultimate player edition bundle with an Xbox one included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paige-ID Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Didn't want to get too NSFW... But seriously, I had to submit many more grief reports on XBL back in my 360 days than I've had to since I switched to PS4. That, and I haven't been playing the kinds of games that attract these players recently but still. There's as many idiots and annoying kids on PSN as XBL, lol. Just by playing Battlefield alone this becomes incredibly evident. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Obviously, prepare for Sony ultimate player edition bundle with an Xbox one included. Eh... I don't need another paperweight after PS4 o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Eh... I don't need another paperweight after PS4 o.O You're lucky that we share love for Hana or I would destroy you for your heathen comment. (JK, I love you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPisTolman Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Its a given that Microsoft want this, they're the market losers and if they initiated a unified online space it would help them greatly. There's the critical mass effect, in that once enough people go to something, more people go to it because so many people are going to it. See World of Warcraft for another example. There is no reason for Sony to do this, and I recall games like Final Fantasy XI and XIV aren't on Xbox because of Microsoft's stubborn position of no communications with other devices. All the chickens come home to roost, and Sony have made companies sorry for turning their back on them before and I certainly don't think they'll stop here. Unless the Microsoft exclusives can be streamed to PS4 (i.e. buy the disc, put it in the drive and it launches the Xbox client) there's no financial gain for Sony. This is the final plea from Microsoft knowing that they are bleeding hard and its only going to get worse. Media outlets love to report PS4 outselling month and month and that will just exacerbate the issue. This is an interesting plea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihiris- Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Nice that it greatly expands on communities. But no matter how I look into this, it seems that MS benefits from this a lot more than Sony does. I can see Sony just leaving it up the the devs, they're not going to care, it was always MS that was stingy on the crossplatform stuff that all of a sudden they're for. Edited March 14, 2016 by Death_Ninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This isn't the "industry unifying". It's strictly Xbox to PC because Microsoft has a walled off Xbox-like environment set up on PC already in the form of UWP. This is Microsoft pushing their UWP platform, by leveraging their large Windows 10 install-base and increasingly irrelevant console... and disregarding/damaging the integrity of the otherwise open PC gaming environment in the process. This has nothing to do with Playstation users playing with Xbox users, or Nintendo users playing with PC users. Sony and Nintendo have nothing to do with it, nor should they. All of these console manufacturers should leave PC gaming alone, instead of fragmenting and trying to control it further. This sounds about right. Fuck MS for this bs, because it's worse than what it sounds like... http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-support-policy-new-cpus-will-require-windows-10/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/skylake-users-given-18-months-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/ I'm never going to use Windows 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneIronshield Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Its a given that Microsoft want this, they're the market losers and if they initiated a unified online space it would help them greatly. There's the critical mass effect, in that once enough people go to something, more people go to it because so many people are going to it. See World of Warcraft for another example. There is no reason for Sony to do this, and I recall games like Final Fantasy XI and XIV aren't on Xbox because of Microsoft's stubborn position of no communications with other devices. All the chickens come home to roost, and Sony have made companies sorry for turning their back on them before and I certainly don't think they'll stop here. Unless the Microsoft exclusives can be streamed to PS4 (i.e. buy the disc, put it in the drive and it launches the Xbox client) there's no financial gain for Sony. This is the final plea from Microsoft knowing that they are bleeding hard and its only going to get worse. Media outlets love to report PS4 outselling month and month and that will just exacerbate the issue. This is an interesting plea. FF XI has been on Xbox since 2006 and was cross-play with PC. Edited March 14, 2016 by BooneIronshield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofa King Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I can already hear the rabid little console fanboys screaming "oh, you're playing this on PS4/Xbox... you suck (or some other super imaginative slur)" at one another. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A12 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This will only lead to a price increase in "Cross-Platform" titles.This is Not needed and not worth it for the average consumer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Spider-Guy Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Cool and all, but I'll stick to playing single player offline thanks. Good effort though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) I love all the fear mongering in here. I bet some of you won't be complaining when you get that much needed trophy with the help of a few external Xbox guys/girls. FF XI has been on Xbox since 2006 and was cross-play with PC. I recall FF XI also having cross-platform play with PS2, right? Edited March 14, 2016 by FlareXV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneIronshield Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I recall FF XI also having cross-platform play with PS2, right? Hmm, I think so but I'm not 100% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihiris- Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I love all the fear mongering in here. I bet some of you won't be complaining when you get that much needed trophy with the help of a few external Xbox guys/girls. I recall FF XI also having cross-platform play with PS2, right? With PS2, PC, and 360, yes. And that's probably how this whole thing would work, this feature will probably just be offered for games that already have cross-platform play. Which I'm not complaining about lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contestado Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Cool, it's coming to Rocket League later this year as well. Maybe the first time we have a game cross-playing between three platforms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPisTolman Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) FF XI has been on Xbox since 2006 and was cross-play with PC. Fair enough, that one example turned out to be timed out - it was exclusive for a time for that reason, and Microsoft's stance on cross platform is well documented. Is why I said recall, I wasn't certain. I guess I should have made sure my information was still current - I remember the achievements being ludicrous (level 75 each job) now thinking about it, just eluded my memory while I was posting. The spirit I was saying is true however, they've changed their tune because it hasn't paid them dividends. Edited March 14, 2016 by LastPisTolman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The spirit I was saying is true however, they've changed their tune because it hasn't paid them dividends. Sony is clearly aslo doing the same thing as MS but with a different goal. Many things like PS2 BC prices could have been resolved better. Edited March 14, 2016 by FlareXV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegirlruka Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Meh. I have no strong feeling about this one way or the other. I'd prefer if the devs limit it to PS/Xbox console crossplay and not include Xbox PC. The points others have made about mouse/keyboard, mods, and increased fps/resolution cause an unfair advantage in competitive pvp to the pc gamers. Since it's optional it still wouldn't effect me if I didn't want it to so... yeah... doesn't really cause emotions one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPisTolman Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Sony is clearly aslo doing the same thing as MS but with a different goal. Many things like PS2 BC prices could have been resolved better. That has nothing to do with cross platform functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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