IMaySlayLizDaw94 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 All the people hating the Chibi art style really need to get a grip The whole game is built around this Chibi style The stacking system which turns outta be deep wouldn't work or look right if the characters weren't stylised If you dislike the Chibi so much just move on Stick to XV The developers have gone for something majorly different and I honestly feel they deserve props for it Rather than the torrents of blind, baseless hate just because the minority dislike what's actually an extremely popular artstyle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I got Ifreeti on my 1st try. Cockatrice is another one you can get in that fight? Don't know if I'll bother, since I don't think it carries over. You get a small bonus for completing the demo, but that's all I'm aware of. Man - I guess I was the unlucky one! Cockatrice can also be captured there. In fact, so too can the chocochick (you get another pokeball, prism cage, whatever, if you level chocochick), although I haven't done it yet. From what another poster said, you don't get anything other than the satisfaction of knowing that you'll do it all again, but for whatever reason, I feel I have to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamagingRob Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 All the people hating the Chibi art style really need to get a grip The whole game is built around this Chibi style The stacking system which turns outta be deep wouldn't work or look right if the characters weren't stylised If you dislike the Chibi so much just move on Stick to XV The developers have gone for something majorly different and I honestly feel they deserve props for it Rather than the torrents of blind, baseless hate just because the minority dislike what's actually an extremely popular artstyle The stacking looked fine to me, when I had my characters in their other forms. They could have made those models for the NPCs, as well. Seeing characters that I've previously only seen as full 3D models all "cutesied up" just feels weird to me. Man - I guess I was the unlucky one! Cockatrice can also be captured there. In fact, so too can the chocochick (you get another pokeball, prism cage, whatever, if you level chocochick), although I haven't done it yet. From what another poster said, you don't get anything other than the satisfaction of knowing that you'll do it all again, but for whatever reason, I feel I have to do it. Heh. Well, best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I just finished it. Pretty fun, but the Chibi stuff... not a big fan. Wish I could turn that off for everyone, and not just the characters I play as. Seriously, why does everyone hate the best part of the game? Do we know if the one mirage that you can get from completing the demo will be required for the platinum? I was pretty sure there was a trophy for catching every mirage, but I don't know if you can get this one some other way? I don't think so. Imo, the trophy will be something like National Dex in Pokemon. Since otherwise, Sepiroth would also have to count and he's DLC-locked. where do you guys got the demo from, the Japanese store? I haven't yet re-opening my ps3's JAP account on the ps4 but, last time I checked the other two region and can only find the Vita demo and I have no vita. It should be available on all stores now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamagingRob Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Seriously, why does everyone hate the best part of the game? The stacking looked fine to me, when I had my characters in their other forms. They could have made those models for the NPCs, as well. Seeing characters that I've previously only seen as full 3D models all "cutesied up" just feels weird to me. ^ Were you not a fan of PS1/PS2/PS3 era Final Fantasy games? Because none of the characters from those games looked like this. It's just weird to me. If they had done all of it "Kingdom Hearts" style, I would have been happy. I have zero issues with the graphics in those games. It's not enough to make me not play the game, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) I played the demo yesterday, and like others have mentioned, I found the battle system extremely slow. I turned the battle speed up to max in the options, and I still found myself holding the fast forward button the entire time. It would of made much more sense if it was straight up turn based. Why do we need all this waiting around? I also felt overwhelmed by all the mechanics like stacking, the purpose behind switching to chibi/human form, monster capturing, etc. Of course this was probably because I wasn't paying much attention to the tutorial, but still. So yeah, I spent most of the time wandering around, running from every battle because of how boring they were, and then as expected, I got totally rekt by the boss. I'm starting to think I just don't like these monster capturing games. I'm not a fan of Pokemon, and I didn't like Ni no Kuni anywhere near as much as other people did. I didn't bother capturing the monsters much in that game either. I feel like I'm being a little unfair on the game. I'm gonna give it another go because I feel like a lot of my displeasure came from not having a clue what I was meant to be doing, so I'll try my best to understand the mechanics better. I really want to like the game, and I hope my initial opinion changes on it. Edited October 21, 2016 by Undead Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil_Spooky Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I played the demo yesterday, and like others have mentioned, I found the battle system extremely slow. I turned the battle speed up to max in the options, and I still found myself holding the fast forward button the entire time. It would of made much more sense if it was straight up turn based. Why do we need all this waiting around? I also felt overwhelmed by all the mechanics like stacking, the purpose behind switching to chibi/human form, monster capturing, etc. Of course this was probably because I wasn't paying much attention to the tutorial, but still. So yeah, I spent most of the time wandering around, running from every battle because of how boring they were, and then as expected, I got totally rekt by the boss. I'm starting to think I just don't like these monster capturing games. I'm not a fan of Pokemon, and I didn't like Ni no Kuni anywhere near as much as other people did. I didn't bother capturing the monsters much in that game either. I feel like I'm being a little unfair on the game. I'm gonna give it another go because I feel like a lot of my displeasure came from not having a clue what I was meant to be doing, so I'll try my best to understand the mechanics better. I really want to like the game, and I hope my initial opinion changes on it. Didn't play any old school RPG games before have you? It's no different then the ATB on Final Fantasy VII for example, on that one you also had to wait for the ATB to fully charge before you could select an action. The battles ain't slow, they're just old school, in fact the whole game is, that's exactly the point, it's a nostalgia trip for those that grew up with these kinds of RPG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Didn't play any old school RPG games before have you? It's no different then the ATB on Final Fantasy VII for example, on that one you also had to wait for the ATB to fully charge before you could select an action. The battles ain't slow, they're just old school, in fact the whole game is, that's exactly the point, it's a nostalgia trip for those that grew up with these kinds of RPG. Oh I have, but it just felt different in this game. I was pretty much just hitting attack over and over again which was why I was getting so bored of it. Again though, I didn't really understand the mechanics which probably contributed to my dissatisfaction with the battle system. It might help if I changed the battle setting in the options to something other than wait mode too. I'll have to mess around with it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil_Spooky Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Oh I have, but it just felt different in this game. I was pretty much just hitting attack over and over again which was why I was getting so bored of it. Again though, I didn't really understand the mechanics which probably contributed to my dissatisfaction with the battle system. It might help if I changed the battle setting in the options to something other than wait mode too. I'll have to mess around with it later. You're just not used to waiting anymore, I've been playing classic RPG for years and even I was finding myself pressing R1 all the time, we're just in another age of gaming, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Okay, scratch my initial impressions. I just replayed the demo, and I actually made an effort to learn the mechanics this time, and what do you know? I enjoyed it. Oh, and it turns out I increased the message speed, not the battle speed when I first played through it... I must of been really out of it when I first played. I'm such an idiot. I mean I was still fast forwarding a lot, but it wasn't as bad as I first thought. I understand how stacking works a little better now, and it was kind actually pretty fun trying to catch all of the monsters. By the time I got to the boss, I took it down easily (MLG pro coming through ). Lesson learned: Don't try and play a new game for the first time when I'm extremely tired, especially an RPG. It won't go well. I can definitely see myself having a lot of fun with this game when it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdhight Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 It's the most Japanese game I've played in a long time. And I mean that in a good way. I will be waiting and seeing what kind of edition/collection is eventually made available that has all characters and content. The way they've been marketing this so far, I expect a long, expensive stream of "Ooh! Aeris comes to World of FF! Oh look, get Vincent, get black chocobos, get all this stuff! Hey look, Noctis and crew have arrived in Grymoire!" etc. etc. etc. No. Let me know when you have made all the content you are going to make, and I will get the everything all at once edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil_Spooky Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 It's the most Japanese game I've played in a long time. And I mean that in a good way. I will be waiting and seeing what kind of edition/collection is eventually made available that has all characters and content. The way they've been marketing this so far, I expect a long, expensive stream of "Ooh! Aeris comes to World of FF! Oh look, get Vincent, get black chocobos, get all this stuff! Hey look, Noctis and crew have arrived in Grymoire!" etc. etc. etc. No. Let me know when you have made all the content you are going to make, and I will get the everything all at once edition. SE is not one to release GOTY/complete editions of their games unless it's a remaster/port to another console so I wouldn't hold my breath for that if I where you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdhight Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I wouldn't hold my breath for that if I where you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraxKira Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I also felt overwhelmed by all the mechanics like stacking, the purpose behind switching to chibi/human form, monster capturing, etc. Of course this was probably because I wasn't paying much attention to the tutorial, but still. I was paying as much attention as I could, and I still didn't see a major advantage to chibi/human. If it stated it, it wasn't overly apparent, imo. I'm also curious to see how many of the captures you can get experience for at a time. I thought it was interesting that even though they didn't partake in battle, they still received full experience. Gotta go get my copy tonight. UPS didn't leave it like they do all of my other packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) I was paying as much attention as I could, and I still didn't see a major advantage to chibi/human. If it stated it, it wasn't overly apparent, imo. I'm also curious to see how many of the captures you can get experience for at a time. I thought it was interesting that even though they didn't partake in battle, they still received full experience. I could be totally wrong about this, and I probably am, but after playing the demo for the 2nd time, I think I might understand it a little better. I want to say you take more damage in chibi form, but you can bring out larger monsters to fight. It's been a few days since I played it, but I remember I couldn't equip certain monsters when in human form. Maybe you can only bring out the large monsters when in chibi form? I remember when I did bring out large monsters, the chibi characters were riding on top of them, and that would just be cruel if you were a full sized human. Take this with a pinch of salt though, because I'm still totally clueless. Edited October 25, 2016 by Undead Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonidol38 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I'm glad they released the demo before the actual release. This saved me 40 EUR as I didn't really enjoy it. The whole mix of ATB-battle system, Mirage-catching and stacking didn't appeal to me. Additionally the graphics on Vita are worse than expected. Especially the aliasing surprised me badly. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil_Spooky Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I could be totally wrong about this, and I probably am, but after playing the demo for the 2nd time, I think I might understand it a little better. I want to say you take more damage in chibi form, but you can bring out larger monsters to fight. It's been a few days since I played it, but I remember I couldn't equip certain monsters when in human form. Maybe you can only bring out the large monsters when in chibi form? I remember when I did bring out large monsters, the chibi characters were riding on top of them, and that would just be cruel if you were a full sized human. Take this with a pinch of salt though, because I'm still totally clueless. Err... that's actually obvious, each mirage has a size, small, medium, and large, and you can only have one of each in a stack, the chibi main characters are tiered middle, and the jiant ones are large, so if you want to have a large mirage like Behemoths you have to be chibi form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Err... that's actually obvious, each mirage has a size, small, medium, and large, and you can only have one of each in a stack, the chibi main characters are tiered middle, and the jiant ones are large, so if you want to have a large mirage like Behemoths you have to be chibi form. Well clearly not for idiots like me. I wasn't paying much attention when I played. It was only a short demo after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamagingRob Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Err... that's actually obvious, each mirage has a size, small, medium, and large, and you can only have one of each in a stack, the chibi main characters are tiered middle, and the jiant ones are large, so if you want to have a large mirage like Behemoths you have to be chibi form. Wait, seriously? That's why my Behemoth wasn't showing up? How will that effect the game, if you don't use the chibi characters? It'll be way harder? Or do the stats increase? If the former, why even give us the option?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Wait, seriously? That's why my Behemoth wasn't showing up? How will that effect the game, if you don't use the chibi characters? It'll be way harder? Or do the stats increase? If the former, why even give us the option?... Well I'm glad that I'm not the only one who's confused about the mechanics in this game. It makes me feel less dumb... but still pretty dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamagingRob Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Well I'm glad that I'm not the only one who's confused about the mechanics in this game. It makes me feel less dumb... but still pretty dumb. If only I wasn't out of "likes..." Just gonna start saying this everytime I get that message. Maybe Sly will finally increase it. Or I'll get a warning point. One way or another, I am taking a stand! But yeah, I didn't think this was explained very well ingame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undead Wolf Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 If only I wasn't out of "likes..." Just gonna start saying this everytime I get that message. Maybe Sly will finally increase it. Or I'll get a warning point. One way or another, I am taking a stand! But yeah, I didn't think this was explained very well ingame. Hehe, I do agree with you about that. I get why the like limit is there, but I don't think it would hurt to increase the limit by 5 or something, even if it's just for premium members. I always end up running out of likes when going to the most recent trophy/platinum threads. I'm glad someone else thinks so. I was seriously questioning my RPG skills (or lack thereof) since everyone else seemed to understand the mechanics apart from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satoshi Ookami Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Additionally the graphics on Vita are worse than expected. Especially the aliasing surprised me badly. :/ Why would you look at graphics when you have so many cute characters around you? :/ Wait, seriously? That's why my Behemoth wasn't showing up? How will that effect the game, if you don't use the chibi characters? It'll be way harder? Or do the stats increase? If the former, why even give us the option?... Buhehehe, now you know the power of chibi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonidol38 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Why would you look at graphics when you have so many cute characters around you? :/ I didn't look at them on purpose but I couldn't ignore those problems. And to be clear: The graphics aren't the main reason why I skip this game, as I can get used to this. Still it's somehow disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil_Spooky Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Wait, seriously? That's why my Behemoth wasn't showing up? How will that effect the game, if you don't use the chibi characters? It'll be way harder? Or do the stats increase? If the former, why even give us the option?... Err... You guys for serious? That's the main mechanic of the game, by making certain combinations you'll get specific abilities, or even fuse some of them to create a more powerfull version, like stacking 2 mirage with Fire to upgrade it into Fira for example, it also affects your stats like HP, STR, DEF, etc, for example if you stack Mirages with High STR you'll get a boost and deal more damage, or you could stack ones with high DEF to receive less damage, it's something you'll get by just reading their stats, you don't need a huge tutorial to explain these things, it's common sense... Unless you're new to JRPGs I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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