Stedde Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Before I started using this site for many years ago, I did not know the concept "Cheaters in Trophy Hunting. Now when I now know about I cannot understand it. ? I am curious, how do the cheaters get spotted? And how do they cheat? I read somewhere about hacking? How is that possible? Cheater Removal Team, are they the ones on the look out for cheaters? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatzuken Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 99.9% of the people with Socom Platinum on ps3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stedde said: Before I started using this site for many years ago, I did not know the concept "Cheaters in Trophy Hunting. Now when I now know about I cannot understand it. I am curious, how do the cheaters get spotted? And how do they cheat? I read somewhere about hacking? How is that possible? Cheater Removal Team, are they the ones on the look out for cheaters? https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/46472-when-is-someone-removed-from-the-leaderboards/ Members here look at the profiles of other members. If people have trophies that unlock out of a natural order, they can Report the suspected cheated game by using the Report link. The Cheater Removers will review the reports and apply flags to Reports that they deem correct. The Cheater Removers also have tools that helps them scan profiles for cheated trophies. Also, the site has some coding built in that detects cheating. There are several pinned threads you can read through here for more information: https://forum.psnprofiles.com/forum/5239-flagged-game-disputes/ We don't allow the discussion of how to cheat trophies here. You'll need to use Google and other sites for more details on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berendsapje Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Often time the fastest achievers are looked at quite often, or just a game that's hard. People then check their profile to see if they cheated anything, and can report them, but not flag them. The Cheater Removal Team, or CRT for short, are the ones who decide if someone is flagged. Reasons vary, and the CRT is not foolproof, which is why disputes exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedde Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Thanks for the info! I will check out the links DaivRules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Otonio_Bruno Posted September 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2020 There are many ways to detect cheating, some cases are very obvious and some aren't (And it's where more complex tools and methods are applied by CRT and are not disclosed to the public): Cheating trophies 101 ==> 1. Getting trophies out of order: A good example of this happening is Demon's Souls, many players get a 'starter' save that floats around the web that have a Soul Level of 712 (Maximum), all important items at 99x and many more useful stuff. This save puts right after a boss called Phalanx, because in order to be able to level up in that game you need to beat that boss first. So, all cheaters using that save file skip on the boss AND the trophy, creating an out of order trophy list, which is easily detected and flaggable. 2. Trophies too fast: Another easy one to detect in many cases. Just scan for any trophy lists where trophies unlock too close together that aren't either related and/or stack-able. For example, getting all combat challenges trophies in Batman Arkham City within seconds of each other, which is not possible for anyone playing the game legit. 3. Earning trophies way long before release date: That's a given, just check out game release date and see if trophy timestamps are from much before it even launched, if they are, it's cheated. That's the basic stuff on how you can detect cheating in trophy lists, but in most cases it's a combination of many inconsistences like earned too fast and/or out of order, usage of save wizard, custom firmware (In which you can fake timestamps) and so on. If you wish to learn more about how to detect cheaters, you can read some the disputes threads in the dispute section and learn what is usually flagged as cheating and what is not, those threads provide very good knowledge if you're interested. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoniP Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Sometimes there is a game where it is impossible to get the platinum below a specific amount of time, so it is really easy to recognize that people cheated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogo_loco Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) Breach & Clear's Reaper trophy pains me, the only glitched trophy in my profile. It also paints cheaters, like the single PSNP member who currently possesses it. I just noticed the general PlayStation completion percentage for this unachievable trophy is 45.0%. Almost half of the game's owners cheated??? Thank you PSNP community and especially the CRT for all the work you do to keep our statistics clean! Edited December 5, 2021 by pogo_loco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Having a hacked console is a great way to get yourself auto-banned from the leaderboards and potentially the site as well, once the forum software detects you have one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-jame-solo Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 4 hours ago, HuntingFever said: Having a hacked console is a great way to get yourself auto-banned from the leaderboards and potentially the site as well, once the forum software detects you have one. I really think that doesn't even exist. A "software" that can detected CFW consoles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, LastRideII said: I really think that doesn't even exist. A "software" that can detected CFW consoles. It does exist. This forum has it built in and is why you sometimes see the message "This profile has been removed and cannot be tracked" when looking at certain profiles. Edited December 5, 2021 by HuntingFever Update. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otonio_Bruno Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 6 hours ago, LastRideII said: I really think that doesn't even exist. A "software" that can detected CFW consoles. 3 hours ago, HuntingFever said: It does exist. This forum has it built in and is why you sometimes see the message "This profile has been removed and cannot be tracked" when looking at certain profiles. On Sony's side, it definitely exists software that can detect if the firmware used in a console is the original or a custom one, all types of information about your console is sent through PSN if you're connected to it. It may not always lead to Sony actually doing any action against users with cfw because, well, it's million of consoles connected on their network and not always so easy to catch on the 'action' nor it would be worth the effort to hunt all of them down. That said, CFW can get your console banned really fast depending which actions you perform on it. On PSNP side: I know there are at least 2 ways the software detects CFW Trophy timestamp manipulation: 1st method is by having Future timestamps, when PSNP scans any profile that timestamps from the future (say, someone upload their profile today and it has a trophy earned in 2025) it removes that entire profile on the spot because future timestamps are not possible through normal circumstances. 2nd method is PSNP autodetection of very fast completion times in games that are not known to have such possibilities. Say, if a game that the fastest time to platinum is 12 Hours and someone shows up with a Platinum time of 5 minutes, the system is going to detect that as cheating/CFW and flag you (It doesn't remove your profile though, I believe). There also some software that MMDE and rest of CRT created for spotting more complicated cheating patterns but I have no idea how it works, I just know it helps them waste less time searching manually for cheated trophy lists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-jame-solo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Otonio_Bruno said: 2nd method is PSNP autodetection of very fast completion times in games that are not known to have such possibilities. Say, if a game that the fastest time to platinum is 12 Hours and someone shows up with a Platinum time of 5 minutes, the system is going to detect that as cheating/CFW and flag you (It doesn't remove your profile though, I believe). Well, that brilliant sofware doesn't work here: *removed* Auto pop trophies in the same order as the original list. Long ass trophies as Mad Skillz, Everybody Dies and Civilian Casualties in just seconds... That's why I don't believe in that software. Probably works in the 1st method you said, for manipulation the timestamp, but in the other case, nope. If someone auto pop trophies on PS3, he need a CFW... Edited December 5, 2021 by Stevieboy name and shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUDGER666 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LastRideII said: Well, that brilliant sofware doesn't work here: *removed* Auto pop trophies in the same order as the original list. Long ass trophies as Mad Skillz, Everybody Dies and Civilian Casualties in just seconds... That's why I don't believe in that software. Probably works in the 1st method you said, for manipulation the timestamp, but in the other case, nope. If someone auto pop trophies on PS3, he need a CFW... You don't need CFW to auto pop trophies. Save files can auto pop every trophy in a game. Multiple games auto pop trophies legit by cloud transfer. Edited December 5, 2021 by DaivRules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-jame-solo Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Well, that is something new that I didn't know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, LastRideII said: Well, that brilliant sofware doesn't work here The detection of finish times that are too fast was only implemented for PS3 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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