sealightbreeze Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Starting a new game didn’t work either. I just finished the prologue and ignored her help. It didn’t do anything 23 minutes ago, xAFT3RL1FEx said: Rekon clearing cache you would have to do the full run again so it knows what your completed or does it still run of the save? I wonder if they picked up every card or if its only certain ones to pick up and move on It still had the save on there. Edited June 15, 2022 by sealightbreeze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayLatte Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, sealightbreeze said: Starting a new game didn’t work either. I just finished the prologue and ignored her help. It didn’t do anything It still had the save on there. It either has nothing to do with the move on mechanic or it's bugged. I assume they will fix it next patch so we'll just have to wait and see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealightbreeze Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, JayLatte said: It either has nothing to do with the move on mechanic or it's bugged. I assume they will fix it next patch so we'll just have to wait and see. I’m assuming it’s bugged. It really irritates me thought they had me waste an hour of my time if they knew that resetting the cache wouldn’t do anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) i assume it's bugged. I'll skip subsequent playthroughs until its patched. LOL at 2K thinking clearing cache would work. Edited June 15, 2022 by Infected Elite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCar88 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 10 hours ago, JohnCar88 said: I just realize how fake the reddit post is. He said he start is run at 6am ast. the picture he send show he got the trophy at 8:33pm. Right now its 9:39 pm ast. He send this pic 4 hour ago. He even said he told 2 of is friends and they got it too. Its so obvious its a lie. Look like I was wrong, but why say he start at 6am ast if is phone is not even in that time zone? Anyway, gonna try erasing my save file, clearing the cache, rebuilding my database and start fresh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotgunSquirrel Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Curious if anyone has tried a run where you only get the Hierophant card and then move on? EDIT: Never Mind, Seems this has been tried (Also can't move on after picking it, so double stupid) Edited June 15, 2022 by ShotgunSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayLatte Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ShotgunSquirrel said: Curious if anyone has tried a run where you only get the Hierophant card and then move on? If you grab the Hierophant card, you are unable to move on. Spoiler It will automatically put you in a flashback cutscene. Edited June 15, 2022 by JayLatte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineStackk Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I may have an idea that has not been brought up in this thread yet. Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and the right way to Refuse Eliza’s Help is to do the opposite / alternative path that is shown on the Tarot cards. Eliza helps you by showing you what the Tarot cards show in the near future and if we do the opposite of that it would be Refusing her help that she gives to us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, NineStackk said: I may have an idea that has not been brought up in this thread yet. Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and the right way to Refuse Eliza’s Help is to do the opposite / alternative path that is shown on the Tarot cards. Eliza helps you by showing you what the Tarot cards show in the near future and if we do the opposite of that it would be Refusing her help that she gives to us this is probably it, it'll also probably be a complete run on its own for that trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsentio Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, NineStackk said: I may have an idea that has not been brought up in this thread yet. Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and the right way to Refuse Eliza’s Help is to do the opposite / alternative path that is shown on the Tarot cards. Eliza helps you by showing you what the Tarot cards show in the near future and if we do the opposite of that it would be Refusing her help that she gives to us Tried it too. No luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozoevil Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, NineStackk said: I may have an idea that has not been brought up in this thread yet. Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and the right way to Refuse Eliza’s Help is to do the opposite / alternative path that is shown on the Tarot cards. Eliza helps you by showing you what the Tarot cards show in the near future and if we do the opposite of that it would be Refusing her help that she gives to us Then it has to be specific cards where u actually do that, cos some of them are, well not happening at all or minor things like u fall in a pit with Ryan and Laura which is unavoidable if see that one Edited June 15, 2022 by ozoevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKirbs Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Is there a card to hind at how to kill each Hackett? Maybe we're meant to view those specific cards then avoid those situations or not kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozoevil Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Just a theory. Ok if we refuse help/alternating premunition till we get cards in ch. 7 World and Charoit. Those two visions are unavoidable so here we have to Move On. Cards collected in ch. 8 we still can alternating tho But then again if u see the vision Abi got killed by Nick and you save her, it doesn't make that you refuse her help u help yourself, anyway losing my mind here boys Edited June 15, 2022 by ozoevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What_R_Trophies Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, NineStackk said: I may have an idea that has not been brought up in this thread yet. Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and the right way to Refuse Eliza’s Help is to do the opposite / alternative path that is shown on the Tarot cards. Eliza helps you by showing you what the Tarot cards show in the near future and if we do the opposite of that it would be Refusing her help that she gives to us Already working on it. Here is my final god theory craft after seeing more endings for fuck's sakes. Im so far down this rabbit hole im not going to stop. So each Chapter has one action she wants us to do in a vision. Some chapters don't have an avoidable action so we need to pick the Tarot card that we can refuse to do. We do this all the way until Hierophant and then we DO NOT KILL CALEB. KILLING CALEB IS HER GOAL. The only possible way to NOT KILL Caleb is to achieve a "secret" ending where Dylan is infected (and ties in with doing the opposite of her vision) and Kaitlyn becomes infected. This is the only way to save Caleb on this path. Killing Caleb and White Wolf living is her GOOD ending. I just confirmed it 10 minutes ago. She praised me saying she orchestrated the events of the night perfectly and she was proud of me. For my final run I will doing what I have done before and taking notes for everyone just in case it works. I will be doing on a fresh clean run and deleting all saves prior. Edited June 15, 2022 by What_R_Trophies 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sealightbreeze Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, What_R_Trophies said: Already working on it. Here is my final god theory craft after seeing more endings for fuck's sakes. Im so far down this rabbit hole im not going to stop. So each Chapter has one action she wants us to do in a vision. Some chapters don't have an avoidable action so we need to pick the Tarot card that we can refuse to do. We do this all the way until Hierophant and then we DO NOT KILL CALEB. KILLING CALEB IS HER GOAL. The only possible way to NOT KILL Caleb is to achieve a "secret" ending where Dylan is infected (and ties in with doing the opposite of her vision) and Kaitlyn becomes infected. This is the only way to save Caleb on this path. Killing Caleb and White Wolf living is her GOOD ending. I just confirmed it 10 minutes ago. She praised me saying she orchestrated the events of the night perfectly and she was proud of me. For my final run I will doing what I have done before and taking notes for everyone just in case it works. I will be doing on a fresh clean run and deleting all saves prior. I already tried that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What_R_Trophies Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 How much do you remember of that run @sealightbreeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozoevil Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, sealightbreeze said: I already tried that. What about ch. 7 cards? Did you Move On or not pick them at all since you can't alternate them visions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatle-Girl Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 the one thing making me believe that this isn't as complicated as all the theories are, and that it is bugged is the fact that the trophy is silver, surely this would be a gold? maybe i'm wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayLatte Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Beatle-Girl said: the one thing making me believe that this isn't as complicated as all the theories are, and that it is bugged is the fact that the trophy is silver, surely this would be a gold? maybe i'm wrong. It's more likely that it's bugged. We'll have to see if next patch fixes it's or not. Edited June 15, 2022 by JayLatte spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What_R_Trophies Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) It should look like this. ================================================= Prologue: See more. Chapter 1: Don't Pull Fuel Line. See more. Chapter 2: Don't take fireworks. See more. Chapter 3: Don't throw dirt. See more on the Tower. Chapter 4: Kill Emma. Select see more for Magician. Chapter 5: Dont use shotgun or chainsaw. Select see more for The Hermit because we need Abi alive. Chapter 6: Kill Jacob. Select see more for Justice so we can use syringe. Chapter 7: Don't select a card here because we cant do the opposite (will make a backup here for testing). (However its very nuanced and I know that technically the opposite of World is for Ryan not to get mad at Laura and they both fall at the same time. World vision shows Laura going after Ryan. My instinct here is to pick Chariot because there's a very minute detail of Abi not being present in the vision and the auto opposite of this vision is for her being there which lines up with the path.) Chapter 8: See more for Wheel of Fortune. The other three we can do opposite but this is Silas Kill ending. Chapter 9: Infect Kaitlyn. Has to be Hierophant at this point. Chapter 10: Don't kill caleb. Kaitlyn auto lives due to infection. Kill Silas. Side note from my file digging adventures on PC: The game tracks if you've seen a Tarot card. So im picking them all up. Edited June 15, 2022 by What_R_Trophies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatle-Girl Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, What_R_Trophies said: It should look like this. ================================================= Chapter 1: Pull Fuel Line Chapter 2: Don't take fireworks. Chapter 3: Don't throw dirt. Chapter 4: Kill Emma. Select see more for Magician. Chapter 5: Dont use shotgun or chainsaw. Select see more for The Hermit because we need Abi alive. Chapter 6: Kill Jacob. Select see more for Justice so we can use syringe. Chapter 7: Don't select a card here because we cant do the opposite (will make a backup here for testing) Chapter 8: See more for Wheel of Fortune. The other three we can do opposite but this is Silas Kill ending. Chapter 9: Infect Kaitlyn. Has to be Hierophant at this point. Chapter 10: Don't kill caleb. Kaitlyn auto lives due to infection. Kill Silas. can anyone confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGriff1986 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, What_R_Trophies said: Side note from my file digging adventures on PC: The game tracks if you've seen a Tarot card. Perhaps we need to see them but not collect them, then? Or has that also been attempted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What_R_Trophies Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) I'm inclined to believe this trophy is a specific path trophy like Blood Pact, Nobody's Fool, etc simply because all the other achievements that are counters of some sort explicitly have a data tracker for it. This trophy does not and is simply labeled as "ElizaRefused". Nobody's Fool is labeled as JacobEmmaMeetUninfected. Here are the images: https://imgur.com/a/x480baG The ElizaMoreInfoCount is only used for Forearmed is Forewarned. =========================================================== DO I PULL THE FUEL LINE OR NO??? Edited June 15, 2022 by What_R_Trophies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What_R_Trophies Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 the reddit dude responded and said he took the rotor arm. I'm surprised he responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yharnaam Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Hey guys, new here but been reading yall for a while now. Sorry about my English, i’m French but i’ll try my best. i was thinking about something, maybe stupid but who knows : you guys said the few players who got the trophy poped it at chapter 8. in chapter 8 when Ryan and Laura enter the caves, we can hear Eliza whispering and Laura says she might try to guide us. Maybe there’s something to do here ? Like idk, another path ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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