Trophy Spam Issue

[MMDE]

6 minutes ago, Kittens Are Awesome said:

Imagine caring this much about what others do with their time and money? Magine?

 

Yes, people here care about trophy hunting. We have leaderboards etc too. The leaderboards are kind of useless these days, and is more about paying some dealers for your crack. We who care about it wants that changed. Is there anyone who really likes the current exploitative nature of how this works? I show people InRL the PSN store and recent releases. It's all garbage there too, and it's sites like this one that drives it, unfortunately.

Edited October 18, 2022 by MMDE

[manotelikas]

You sound like an addict that would like to quit. Did I get this right ? 

I myself at some point cought myself playing few of them , and after a while ,  i felt like it isn't really for me. 

[YellowFever-AU]

all well and good to say something needs to be done but do you have the power to actually do anything about it? nothing can be modified leaderboard wise unless Sly gets involved and hes MIA.

[El Duderino]

3 minutes ago, MMDE said:

Is there anyone who really likes the current exploitative nature of how this works?

But then again: Has @Sly Ripper shown any kind of interest in overhauling the leaderboards? If not then this is yet another fultile thread where we spin in cycles. Without Sly's involvement nothing can be done.

 

Visiting PSNP these days reminds me of the movie Groundhog Days. Or to quote a famous CoD player:

[You]

1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said:

 

Only in the sense that you can get the same amount of calories from eating a gourmet meal, or eating a cold can of actual Spam.

 

They are only equivalent, if the only measurement you have for an experience is how much one specific value increased at the end of it.  

 

lol. I missed this post earlier.

 

Not sure what point you were trying to make here.

 

I'm pretty sure if you kept getting the same amount of calories from eating a gourmet meal, or eating a cold can of actual Spam that eventually you'd be suffering from malnutrition with only SPAM. So your explanation actually concludes that constantly choosing the Spam (like literally Spam lol, your words) is bad for you.

 

Not sure if this was your intention but yeah I agree with you. Great metaphor.

 

4 minutes ago, El Duderino said:

Visiting PSNP these days reminds me of the movie Groundhog Days.

 

Visiting this site everyday is voluntary, unlike Phil Connors who was trying to escape.

Edited October 18, 2022 by enaysoft

[Bumperklever]

2 minutes ago, El Duderino said:

 Or to quote a famous CoD player:

 

Wait Albert Einstein is a famous CoD player. O.o

[DrBloodmoney]

1 minute ago, enaysoft said:

Not sure what point you were trying to make here.

 

I'm pretty sure if you kept getting the same amount of calories from eating a gourmet meal, or eating a cold can of actual Spam that eventually you'd be suffering from malnutrition with only SPAM. So your explanation actually concludes that constantly choosing the Spam (like literally Spam lol, your words) is bad for you.

 

That's exactly the point I was making - that if you only judge something by one single metric, then you can make virtually anything seem equivalent.

It doesn't mean it is though - and it doesn't mean you'd be the same level of happy - or healthy - at the end of it.

 

 

On Topic:

 

@MMDE - you are on the staff of this site.

 

If you can't get anything done about these games, then what is the point of this thread?

If you are unable to change things from the inside, what exactly do you expect the rest of us to do? 

 

Why create yet another thread impotently bemoaning them?

 

[MMDE]

4 minutes ago, manotelikas said:

You sound like an addict that would like to quit. Did I get this right ? 

I myself at some point cought myself playing few of them , and after a while ,  i felt like it isn't really for me. 

 

Hehe, I don't buy a hundred stacks of the same game. What I have noticed is dedicated players who used to do well on the leaderboards etc refuse to buy any of it, and just falling far, far behind. This site is about trophy hunting, and I don't really think the recent exploitative activity is any good for trophy hunting, it's just harming it.

 

For those who don't know, the "turbo" versions are basically just the normal version sped up. In these games you hold X for 4 mins and watch the trophies pop. In the "turbo" version the trophies pop in like 2 mins instead. For this, they charge you twice the price. ?

[You]

7 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

On Topic:

 

LOL. I resent that. How is what we were talking about, and what you mentioned "off topic" ?

 

8 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

If you can't get anything done about these games, then what is the point of this thread?

If you are unable to change things from the inside, what exactly do you expect the rest of us to do? 

 

Why create yet another thread impotently bemoaning them?

 

 

Well I think the mods are one step closer to Sly and as such if there's any remote chance of having changes done to the site, having a mod on our side to discuss this issue on our behalf, that's a good thing surely? And don't call me Shirley.

[pinkrobot_pb]

2 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

If you can't get anything done about these games, then what is the point of this thread?

If you are unable to change things from the inside, what exactly do you expect the rest of us to do? 

 

Why create yet another thread impotently bemoaning them?

 

With the amount of work these guys put in this website for free, they are the ones who deserve most to have a moan every now and then. I do not do jack shit for this community so choose to keep my mouth shut.

[MMDE]

19 minutes ago, El Duderino said:

But then again: Has @Sly Ripper shown any kind of interest in overhauling the leaderboards? If not then this is yet another fultile thread where we spin in cycles. Without Sly's involvement nothing can be done.

 

Sly has shown interest in it before. That's why the rarity leaderboard exists, even if, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, it doesn't currently work as it should. It is a much bigger issue now.

 

11 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

 

@MMDE - you are on the staff of this site.

 

If you can't get anything done about these games, then what is the point of this thread?

If you are unable to change things from the inside, what exactly do you expect the rest of us to do? 

 

Why create yet another thread impotently bemoaning them?

 

 

There are other staff who wants to see changes too.

 

What is this thread about? Getting feedback? Checking the pulse of the community?

Edited October 18, 2022 by MMDE

[El Duderino]

You know... are you guys sure you really want a change? Do you actually want something to be done about this situation? If you, why don't you tag the only person who can actually do something abut it? You know... the only person on this website with admin rights, @Sly Ripper. Maybe you're not aware of how the forum software works, but a user gets notified when being tagged in a post. If you truly want a change, bring it to Sly's attention. You know, this guy:

 

 

He – and only he – can change things here. Not the mods, not the guys from the Cheater Removal Team, not Barack Obama, Master Cheeks, Lara Croft, Angry Joe, James Blond, or Jesus. Only Sly can. And you have to make clear that you wish him to do it. Annoy him. Get on his nerves. Tag him in your posts.

Or do what I do and simply use a different site for your petty leaderboards needs.

[pinkrobot_pb]

14 minutes ago, Bumperklever said:

Wait Albert Einstein is a famous CoD player. O.o

It is memes. There is another "mistake" in there. Can you spot it?

[You]

2 minutes ago, MMDE said:

For those who don't know, the "turbo" versions are basically just the normal version sped up. In these games you hold X for 4 mins and watch the trophies pop. In the "turbo" version the trophies pop in like 2 mins instead. For this, they charge you twice the price. ?

 

Yeah, and because of that, the Jumping Hot Dog stacks that got released today. There's 12 stacks of that particular food now. So that's 20 dollars for the whole collection of trophies now?

 

That game alone has become a budget priced game in its own right.

[MMDE]

For those who has never seen this one before:

^ Sly's response.

Edited October 18, 2022 by MMDE

[You]

1 minute ago, El Duderino said:

Or do what I do and simply use a different site for your petty leaderboards needs.

 

You'll find a lot of people including myself don't even care about the leaderboard. I just want to come to this site and see what new games have come out and not have them scrolled off the new trophy lists window within hours due to 5 stacks of Stroke The Cucumber, Chump Hump Jump or The Quiz Pig Piss Pants Peas G etc games scrolling spamming the site and making the site more difficult to use.

[DrBloodmoney]

7 minutes ago, MMDE said:

What is this thread about? Getting feedback? Checking the pulse of the community?

 

Are you serious?

 

There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the jungles of South America, who have never communicated with any outside element of modern culture...

...and even they probably know what the "Pulse of this Community" is with regards to these games ?

 

Everyone knows what the general consensus on these games is.

You cannot possibly need another thread to gauge it.

 

You have a mandate to act, if you see fit. 

The only question, is whether you have the authority, or the will. 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by DrBloodmoney

[You]

4 minutes ago, MMDE said:

For those who has never seen this one before:

^ Sly's response.

 

This site is actively promoting these games to the users that buy them the most, if they existed on this site as usual but just failed to appear in the "New Trophy Lists" window then perhaps less people would buy them.

[ahmedelebiary]

Make a leaderboard where trophies above 75% common rarity do not count. That should be interesting 

 

 

 

 

[MMDE]

9 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

 

Are you serious?

 

There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the jungles of South America, who have never communicated with any outside element of modern culture...

...and even they probably know what the "Pulse of this Community" is with regards to these games ?

 

Everyone knows what the general consensus on these games is.

You cannot possibly need another thread to gauge it.

 

You have a mandate to act, if you see fit. 

The only question, is whether you have the authority, or the will. 

 

 

 

 

In regards to a possible solution, yes, serious.

[DrBloodmoney]

Just now, MMDE said:

In regards to a possible solution, yes, serious.

 

You want to have the site do something about these games, but without destroying a bunch of decent but small games in the process?

 

Okay:

 

You don't need to create all sorts of new Leaderboards, and you don't need to construct some formula using rarity, which would inevitably catch a bunch of good but easy games, and start some massive war over "difficulty vs. rarity"...

 

...you just have the site Auto-Hide all games on all profiles from the Trophy-Mill developers.

 

 

 

Have the site simply maintain a list of developers:

 

ThiGames

Breakthrough Gaming

Smobile Inc.

Zakym

etc....

 

...whose products are simply not recognised as games.

 

 

They can be earned / bought / played etc. by any player, but simply don't appear on the New Games lists, don't get listed in forum game lists, and are auto-hidden on all profiles.

 

Job done. 

 

 

[pinkrobot_pb]

12 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

Are you serious?

 

There are as yet undiscovered tribes in the jungles of South America, who have never communicated with any outside element of modern culture...

...and even they probably know what the "Pulse of this Community" is with regards to these games 

 

Everyone knows what the general consensus on these games is.

You cannot possibly need another thread to gauge it.

 

You have a mandate to act, if you see fit. 

The only question, is whether you have the authority, or the will.

 

Just as an aside: a sincere thank you from my part. I'm very glad that you use a lot of italics to emphasize at least five words in every post you make because I would really have a hard time discerning your tone of voice without that.

[DrBloodmoney]

Just now, pinkrobot_pb said:

 

Just as an aside: a sincere thank you from my part. I'm very glad that you use a lot of italics to emphasize at least five words in every post you make because I would really have a hard time discerning your tone of voice without that.

 

You're welcome. ?

 

I find italics are good for emphasis, and help my point to be conveyed more effectively as a result. 

 

[You]

I also think making lists of spam games should not be supported.

 

Such as

 

https://psnprofiles.com/series/1046-fun

 

These games shouldn't be promoted, they should practically be hidden on the site, why is this site going to the effort of making them easily searchable?

 

This is giving these hack devs profit. I noticed that the Jumping series they don't have any banners anymore. I am presuming this process is not automatic, just curious why these "games" are being treated as genuine products. Make a "trash list" and then put all these games in there instead.

[fbdbh]

The only objective and democratic thing you could do in a new system is remove stacks. Every stack where trophies are the same. Autopop or not, region or rerelease, doesn’t matter. It’s not a judgmental decision. It’s something you could in theory enforce. This doesn’t solve the spam problem, but it’s making things a bit better, even if you have to give up legit second playthroughs.

 

Banning, removing game series, publishers, however… that’s a vile slippery slope and very much not in the spirit of anything good. Even if it’s about profit-hungry low effort games. I don’t think there exist a moral right to obscure any creation just because a competitive feeling is hurt somewhere. It just feels just as wrong as those exploitative games themselves.